Forging Myths... (in General)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 4 2007 3:23 PM EST

[G]Gaara of the Desert ($427,605)

170,367 mpr

I've got 10x the mpr, and he's still nearly matching my output, with no bonus. Even if he's hitting all BA and forging ELB plus to hit this completely changes my perspective on forging effectiveness. No reason to buy a huge char for forging if a tiny one can do the same thing...

QBRanger February 4 2007 3:30 PM EST

Did he buy BA?

yooo February 4 2007 3:48 PM EST

Its just money sent to him

QBRanger February 4 2007 3:49 PM EST

According to his records, he has had no money transferred to him in the last 24 hours.

yooo February 4 2007 3:51 PM EST

Thats wierd

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] February 4 2007 3:51 PM EST

Sniper, that number is for NW forged, not for economic clan revenue.

Lochnivar February 4 2007 3:56 PM EST

I just tested the progress on my SoD + comparing a 300k mpr character against my usual 840k mpr.

My 840K character usually added 362 CB in NW / BA used
A quick cycle on the 300K character gave me 283/BA

That difference is well outside any observed randomness for the forge and seems to indicate that MPR affects forging.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 4 2007 4:09 PM EST

I'll have to ask him about buying BA, since that's the only way I see this happening...

WE knew mpr affected forge efficiency, but I didn't know personally it wasn't a more dramatic effect. If you can hit similar numbers with a char 1/10th the size, that's a big alteration from at least my previous perspective.

yooo February 4 2007 4:39 PM EST

If its NW forged once SNK3R hit 800k a day

Lochnivar February 4 2007 4:39 PM EST

My standing theory of forge results is that progress is directly related to BA cost (not counting NCB)

Which is to say that (NW gain per BA)/(BA Cost) = FE

where FE is the forging efficiency of each item and is a constant.

I haven't had a lot of opportunity to test this but if some one were to run off about 10 cycles on an SoD (x or +) and average them it should match the numbers I put in wiki (the numbers in wiki were kind of rounded, I'll dig up the exact ones upon request).

How this relates to the particular question at hand: either he is forging something much more efficient than you, or he is using a lot more BA

AdminShade February 4 2007 4:43 PM EST

N times the size is square root of N times better forging.

so 200k against 100k is only 40% better
300k against 100k is only 70% better
400k against 100k is only 100% (2 times) better

If someone buys a lot of BA, then you can get over it easily

QBsutekh137 February 4 2007 4:44 PM EST

Yes, Loch, that is exactly how it works, at least that is how it worked in CB1. I got the "FE"s for many different items back in CB1 when forging was my primary past-time...

Novice, Loch's figures show that a character 1/10th the size does not give "similar" results". A character 3/8th the size gave substantially lesser results.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 4 2007 4:46 PM EST

so unless Gaara bought all his BA and forged with that as well as all his normal BA on a rather efficient items...I don't get it

QBsutekh137 February 4 2007 4:48 PM EST

A Vulcan would say that that would be the only possibility, since we have eliminated all the others (that we can think of...). *smile*

Lochnivar February 4 2007 4:56 PM EST

hehe, I didn't do as much forging back in CB1, too busy camping... I miss the "camper's high" that comes from scooping a Corn, CoI and Tulka's at store prices in one sweet 5 second rush"

QBOddBird February 4 2007 5:38 PM EST

He's gotta be buying it, I can barely tip myself over 400k hitting all my BA, no matter what I'm forging

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 5 2007 2:48 AM EST

this caper, like so many of mine, ended when I got the answer we were expecting, which was that he bought "alot" of BA

Lochnivar February 5 2007 3:42 AM EST

on the bright side that means we were all correct, therefore we are all smart!

Pat yourselves on the back folks!
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