Tezmac
February 8 2007 12:39 PM EST
GA returns the same type of damage given right back at you.
The EH blocks magical damage on a per + basis, which decays as the rounds progress.
So, shouldn't the EH protect a mage against GA backlash better than a MCM does, especially in the early ranged rounds?
I only ask because I did a bit of testing against a single opponent, only paying attention to the first round, as thats when the biggest difference between the two should allegedly take place. I noticed practically no difference between the two armors. Has anyone else looked into this?
QBRanger
February 8 2007 12:47 PM EST
Tez,
One would think that should be the case, as GA damage is based on the same damage you do. However, there is are variabilities in damages from battle to battle.
I have even noticed sometimes minions with 0AC taking less damage from fireballs then minions with 200 AC.
Tezmac
February 8 2007 1:03 PM EST
My attacks were pretty consistent, 4 battles with each...
I dont think the EH magical component protects against magical GA return, quite a shame.
MCM
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [139917]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [200861]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [190242]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [159777]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [180882]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [111108]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [103669]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [175883]
EH
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [111330]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [179288]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [124739]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [129095]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [163001]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [173423]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [117551]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [127013]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
isnt that amf?
ga says "So and So's GA smote minion"
Sadly the EH does nothing against AMF...which it should block since AMF blowback is magical damage...do I hear a buff coming? (I hope so)
Wasp
February 8 2007 1:27 PM EST
Agreed. Something that helped against AMF was what I was hoping for last change month.
QBsutekh137
February 8 2007 1:32 PM EST
I want anti-AMF amulets! *smile*
/me pets his fully-junctioned familiar and flexes his massive mage's muscles!
QBRanger
February 8 2007 1:50 PM EST
Tez,
Your showing AMF damage which can only be lowered by 2 means.
1) Higher DD vs your opponents AMF level
2) TOE
Any armor does nothing vs AMF and neither does protection.
It's never cropped up before, as you couldn't get returned magical damage while wearing a MgS. :/
Something for Jon to clarify.
Tezmac
February 8 2007 2:31 PM EST
Ok, I'm absolutely retarded. Let me try again, with GA this time....drrrrrrrrrr..... :O\
Tezmac
February 8 2007 3:06 PM EST
I still think the EH has no effect on GA backlash. My HoC allows for 2 shots in the first round, which is where the EH should have it's maximum payout against GA, if it does have it. I can post the raw numbers if you need me to.
MCM w/ Magic missile: 1,581,574/1,275,463 (742,246)
Total of 104 AC
First shot of Round 1 Average: 206,219
Average GA Return: 101,271 (49.1%)
Second shot of Round 2 Average: 217,187
Average GA Return: 107647 (49.6%)
EH (+42) w/ Magic missile: 1,556,064/1,275,463 (730,047)
Total of 97 AC
First shot of Round 1 Average: 201,660
Average GA Return: 89776 (44.5%)
Second shot of Round 2 Average: 203,295
Average GA Return: 100964 (49.7%)
TheHatchetman
February 8 2007 3:14 PM EST
"Your showing AMF damage which can only be lowered by 2 means.
1) Higher DD vs your opponents AMF level
2) TOE "
Higher DD = Higher damage = more AMF blowback.
Tho it may be a smaller percentage, you're still receiving similar blowback. Didn't your CoC experiment show this?
Tezmac
February 8 2007 3:19 PM EST
Wow, and I messed up again, both tests should read "Second shot of Round 1" not Round 2
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