EH Question... (in General)


Tezmac February 8 2007 12:39 PM EST

GA returns the same type of damage given right back at you.
The EH blocks magical damage on a per + basis, which decays as the rounds progress.

So, shouldn't the EH protect a mage against GA backlash better than a MCM does, especially in the early ranged rounds?
I only ask because I did a bit of testing against a single opponent, only paying attention to the first round, as thats when the biggest difference between the two should allegedly take place. I noticed practically no difference between the two armors. Has anyone else looked into this?

QBRanger February 8 2007 12:47 PM EST

Tez,

One would think that should be the case, as GA damage is based on the same damage you do. However, there is are variabilities in damages from battle to battle.

I have even noticed sometimes minions with 0AC taking less damage from fireballs then minions with 200 AC.

Tezmac February 8 2007 1:03 PM EST

My attacks were pretty consistent, 4 battles with each...
I dont think the EH magical component protects against magical GA return, quite a shame.

MCM

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [139917]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [200861]

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [190242]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [159777]

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [180882]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [111108]

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [103669]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (114222)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [175883]


EH

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [111330]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [179288]

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [124739]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [129095]

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [163001]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [173423]

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [117551]
Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!
Tezmac Lackey Magic missile hit Big Smith Ex [127013]

QBPit Spawn [Abyssal Specters] February 8 2007 1:08 PM EST

Tezmac Lackey takes damage from his own Magic missile (112345)!

isnt that amf?

ga says "So and So's GA smote minion"

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 8 2007 1:20 PM EST

Sadly the EH does nothing against AMF...which it should block since AMF blowback is magical damage...do I hear a buff coming? (I hope so)

Wasp [Demon Forging] February 8 2007 1:27 PM EST

Agreed. Something that helped against AMF was what I was hoping for last change month.

QBsutekh137 February 8 2007 1:32 PM EST

I want anti-AMF amulets! *smile*

/me pets his fully-junctioned familiar and flexes his massive mage's muscles!

QBRanger February 8 2007 1:50 PM EST

Tez,

Your showing AMF damage which can only be lowered by 2 means.

1) Higher DD vs your opponents AMF level
2) TOE

Any armor does nothing vs AMF and neither does protection.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 8 2007 1:56 PM EST

It's never cropped up before, as you couldn't get returned magical damage while wearing a MgS. :/

Something for Jon to clarify.

Tezmac February 8 2007 2:31 PM EST

Ok, I'm absolutely retarded. Let me try again, with GA this time....drrrrrrrrrr..... :O\

Tezmac February 8 2007 3:06 PM EST

I still think the EH has no effect on GA backlash. My HoC allows for 2 shots in the first round, which is where the EH should have it's maximum payout against GA, if it does have it. I can post the raw numbers if you need me to.

MCM w/ Magic missile: 1,581,574/1,275,463 (742,246)
Total of 104 AC
First shot of Round 1 Average: 206,219
Average GA Return: 101,271 (49.1%)
Second shot of Round 2 Average: 217,187
Average GA Return: 107647 (49.6%)

EH (+42) w/ Magic missile: 1,556,064/1,275,463 (730,047)
Total of 97 AC
First shot of Round 1 Average: 201,660
Average GA Return: 89776 (44.5%)
Second shot of Round 2 Average: 203,295
Average GA Return: 100964 (49.7%)

TheHatchetman February 8 2007 3:14 PM EST

"Your showing AMF damage which can only be lowered by 2 means.

1) Higher DD vs your opponents AMF level
2) TOE "

Higher DD = Higher damage = more AMF blowback.

Tho it may be a smaller percentage, you're still receiving similar blowback. Didn't your CoC experiment show this?

Tezmac February 8 2007 3:19 PM EST

Wow, and I messed up again, both tests should read "Second shot of Round 1" not Round 2
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