T4: Tournament (in Contests)

A semi-standard tournament.

T4 will begin on July 15th, 6:00 PM EDT and last until July 22 6:00 PM EDT. It will begin 6 hours after the end of T3.

Win Conditions:

3 points will be awarded for the highest MPR.
2 points for 2nd highest MPR.
1 point for 3rd highest.

3 points will be awarded for highest score.
2 points for 2nd highest.
1 point for 3rd highest.

5 points will be awarded for the highest win streak.
3 points for 2nd highest.
1 point for 3rd highest.

5 points will be awarded for the best Battles Fought : MPR ratio (you must have over 2000 battles to qualify for this)

The player with the most points will win.


Rules:

There will be a starting BA of 1000.
A BA limit of 4k is in place.
Tattoos may not be used in this tournament.
In the event of a tie, the player with points in the most categories will win.
All rules in this thread apply unless contradicted by T4 rules.


Prizes:

1st place: $1,000,000
2nd place: $500,000
3rd place: $250,000

How exactly will the win streak work? I certainly hope it wont be the longest Current Winning Streak at the end of the tournament because that will be complete luck and whoever gets the last fight in at the end will likely win that.

thats what he said =.=

In spite of the rather important day bestting the onslaught of this tournament, I'll kick another 250 at 3rd place, make them tie it.

besetting

No BA limit?

It will be win streak at the end of the tournament. Thank you to Nightstrike, and I'm leaning towards no BA limit but it will either be no limit or 4000 BA.

BA limit please.

BA limit, please.. I go with Nerevas on this one.. So do alot of people.. 4k limit

since MPR is involved I suppose a BA limit is reasonable, will update the post when I get home tomorrow (BA limit of 4k is in place)

Regarding decay in T4 - please read the general tournament rules

MiniMem (Trillion) 24.243.158.195 NightStrike (The Iconics 3e) $20 -- $20 word 12:23 AM EDT

Will the battles/mpr ratio be off challenge battles or total battles?

challenged

Point of clarification requested. Can the win streak only be broken by tournament characters or can someone outside the tourney (or a participant using their main character) break them as well?

Point of clarification requested. Can the win streak only be broken by tournament characters or can someone outside the tourney (or a participant using their main character) break them as well?

I thought non tourney chars could not attack tourney chars?

Non-tournament characters cannot attack tournament characters. Although tournament characters may fight non-tournament characters at any time.

Ah, good to know! I forgot that little tidbit of information. Thanks folks.

nope
if a person has a tourny char he cannot hit a tourny char however if he doesnt have a tourny char he is able to

updated General Tournament Rules with a new rule - please take a look.

Slayer, that last rule pretty much invalidates this tourney, since Nerevas did exactly that, and then other people started farming the character than Nerevas boosted.

It seems that the problem has been contained, and no further score can come out of this exploit. The score that has already come out of it is filtering down. Since no one can create a strategy that can beat everything, the score will eventually flow down to everyone as people farm the people that farm, as long as there are active players in the tourney. Hardly the ideal, but I think that it is something that can be overcome without having to start the tourney over.

Think of it like this: if someone trained decay and ran up the score before getting caught and DQed, would that invalidate the tourney? For a very minor case of this (2 fights? 3 fights?), obviously you can't restart the whole tournament. How far would they have to run up their score before you would restart? It's a slippery slope to try to name a specific number, and probably best not to bother.

Synge, it isn't about the score inflation, because score only matters on the last day. It is about the MPR inflation due to the 100% challenge bonus that those who farmed the character received. Obviously, people who started before that occurred were at a disadvantage because they weren't receiving 100% challenge bonus, which according to the new rule, was unfairly obtained.

Score = challenge bonus. You can't separate the two. If score flows down, the challenge bonus flows down as well. And I agree that this event was disruptive. That's one of the reasons that it is illegal, I'm sure. But what remedy are you suggesting for it? I posit that canceling the entire tournament for it is too strong an action.

trickle-down theories sound good but rarely work out that well. the guys at the top usually end up getting a larger piece of the pie. those at the bottom get the small bits left over after everyone else gets their larger pieces. the major proponents of these schemes are usually the guys at the top.

if the fairness of the tourney has been sacrificed then we probably need to start it over. i don't see that many negative repercussions for doing just that other than postponing the next tourney. if people get the idea tourneys aren't fair then they may quit playing them.

I cannot believe I am agreeing with dudemus but he is correct.

The first people to jump on the bandwagon typically get the largest share and the trickle down is minimal at the lower levels.

IMO this has negated the fairness of the tournament now. Even 20 battles getting a 100% challenge bonus can make the final result skewed.

IMO the tournament needs to be restarted. And the people responsible for breaking the spirit of the tourney banned from competing in the restart.

BTW, I am not in T4 and do not plan to be if it restarts. This is just my opinion on the matter.

The people already in T4 have put a lot of time and energy into the tourney so far. They have displayed their strategies and their fightlists. Why should they be penalized for someone else's misdeeds? Yes, it may end up slightly unfair to some random set of people, but what is the cost of fixing it? Is it any more unfair than someone unwittingly putting some strategic piece of equipment in the auctions and a tourney player picking it up?

In the end, a lot of tournament placement can come down to luck: did your opponent happen to choose a strat that could beat yours; did someone else happen to choose a strat that yours could beat; did you log on when a particular item was in the store or in auctions; did some random tourney player double/triple/quadruple tap you in the last seconds of the tourney. Good tourney players find ways to mitigate the effect of luck, but we can never get rid of it completely.

This sounds like a case where luck is just one of those factors.

Unfortunately where MPR is a factor in determining who wins, the few battles people have gotten with a high Challenge Bonus from this can be the difference between winning and losing. If score was the only factor, yes, no problem.
But it is not.

Any info on T5?

Tomorrow I'll make the post

Well boo hiss. Luckily for you other participants, I wont be able to fight any more battles as I've got a little mini family emergency that I've got to go out of town for. May you all consider yourself fortunate that I am bowing out. Good luck :O)

Dang, you were giving me some decent rewards ;)

Hope everything turns out ok.

Interesting tourney. Can I make one request, though. Can we in the future not give out any prizes for highest win streak? This is a completely random award. From what I can tell, the top prize is in this category is going to be given to someone with 83 battles challenged. 2nd place goes to someone with 731 battles challenged, and 3rd to someone with 247 battles challenged. This is not providing me with much incentive to put time and energy into the next such tournament.

Synge - Score is a complete coin-toss for people that are higher up in the standings aswell.. It's just luck.

Chaos___UK: 15
T4 Jalal Sayad: 5
Horseguy[TourneyIII]: 3

Rubberduck has requested that TP keep the winnings from his prize for future pots :)

Prizes will be sent out momentarily. Congratulations to the winners and good luck to everyone in T5!

I will admit that score, at least for about the top 5 people, is a complete toss up. But it does tend to correlate with performance fairly well over several trials. It's okay to have small levels of randomness; otherwise we'd be better off playing chess. But my point is that the winning streak is not representative of any skill or strategy at all, and thus should not be rewarded.

You could say it does reflect our skill Synge, perhaps we should have knocked their streaks down. I did do it to Verifex and might have done the rest but Horseguy had retrained to beat me so I didn't bother. I agree it is rather random but I did think at the start that it gave an interesting choice between double tapping someone at the end for a high score or going for the streak.

I think Slayer has miscalculated my score by giving me the winning streak, that was a retired entry.

Good show, Rubberduck! And I agree that the point totals appear to be mistaken, probably from the (apropos) winning streak calculation. The first two entries I see in this category are Chaos__UK, which is a disqualified character. T4 Belg shows up next, but if you look at his battle log, you can clearly see that he did not end the tourny with a winning streak. That leaves lovk (MPR 112) to get the 5 points from the winning streak category, and therefore 3rd place.

Didn't see the tie between RD and Belg in win streak - why again is RD's character disqualified? (retired early, from what I gather?)

ok - updating the scores (incorrectly scored the first time)

Chaos UK : 10
Jalal: 5
lovk: 5

as per the rules, Jalal will get 2nd place because he has points in more categories.

I sent 250k to lamber... hopefully I did that right.