T4: Tournament (in Contests)

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 13 2007 12:19 AM EDT

A semi-standard tournament.

T4 will begin on July 15th, 6:00 PM EDT and last until July 22 6:00 PM EDT. It will begin 6 hours after the end of T3.

Win Conditions:

3 points will be awarded for the highest MPR.
2 points for 2nd highest MPR.
1 point for 3rd highest.

3 points will be awarded for highest score.
2 points for 2nd highest.
1 point for 3rd highest.

5 points will be awarded for the highest win streak.
3 points for 2nd highest.
1 point for 3rd highest.

5 points will be awarded for the best Battles Fought : MPR ratio (you must have over 2000 battles to qualify for this)

The player with the most points will win.


There will be a starting BA of 1000.
A BA limit of 4k is in place.
Tattoos may not be used in this tournament.
In the event of a tie, the player with points in the most categories will win.
All rules in this thread apply unless contradicted by T4 rules.


1st place: $1,000,000
2nd place: $500,000
3rd place: $250,000

Miandrital July 13 2007 2:18 AM EDT

How exactly will the win streak work? I certainly hope it wont be the longest Current Winning Streak at the end of the tournament because that will be complete luck and whoever gets the last fight in at the end will likely win that.

lostling July 13 2007 2:27 AM EDT

thats what he said =.=

AdminNightStrike July 13 2007 2:34 AM EDT

In spite of the rather important day bestting the onslaught of this tournament, I'll kick another 250 at 3rd place, make them tie it.

AdminNightStrike July 13 2007 2:34 AM EDT


Lumpy Koala July 13 2007 2:43 AM EDT

No BA limit?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 13 2007 11:18 AM EDT

It will be win streak at the end of the tournament. Thank you to Nightstrike, and I'm leaning towards no BA limit but it will either be no limit or 4000 BA.

Nerevas July 14 2007 10:59 PM EDT

BA limit please.

48Zach July 14 2007 11:01 PM EDT

BA limit, please.. I go with Nerevas on this one.. So do alot of people.. 4k limit

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 14 2007 11:19 PM EDT

since MPR is involved I suppose a BA limit is reasonable, will update the post when I get home tomorrow (BA limit of 4k is in place)

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 15 2007 8:54 PM EDT

Regarding decay in T4 - please read the general tournament rules

Mem July 16 2007 12:23 AM EDT

MiniMem (Trillion) NightStrike (The Iconics 3e) $20 -- $20 word 12:23 AM EDT

Nerevas July 16 2007 3:42 AM EDT

Will the battles/mpr ratio be off challenge battles or total battles?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 16 2007 1:20 PM EDT


Tezmac July 17 2007 12:14 PM EDT

Point of clarification requested. Can the win streak only be broken by tournament characters or can someone outside the tourney (or a participant using their main character) break them as well?

dj1914 July 17 2007 12:33 PM EDT

Point of clarification requested. Can the win streak only be broken by tournament characters or can someone outside the tourney (or a participant using their main character) break them as well?

I thought non tourney chars could not attack tourney chars?

48Zach July 17 2007 12:48 PM EDT

Non-tournament characters cannot attack tournament characters. Although tournament characters may fight non-tournament characters at any time.

Tezmac July 17 2007 12:51 PM EDT

Ah, good to know! I forgot that little tidbit of information. Thanks folks.

lostling July 17 2007 8:15 PM EDT

if a person has a tourny char he cannot hit a tourny char however if he doesnt have a tourny char he is able to

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 17 2007 8:34 PM EDT

updated General Tournament Rules with a new rule - please take a look.

Miandrital July 17 2007 10:06 PM EDT

Slayer, that last rule pretty much invalidates this tourney, since Nerevas did exactly that, and then other people started farming the character than Nerevas boosted.

Synge [Memento Mori] July 17 2007 10:43 PM EDT

It seems that the problem has been contained, and no further score can come out of this exploit. The score that has already come out of it is filtering down. Since no one can create a strategy that can beat everything, the score will eventually flow down to everyone as people farm the people that farm, as long as there are active players in the tourney. Hardly the ideal, but I think that it is something that can be overcome without having to start the tourney over.

Think of it like this: if someone trained decay and ran up the score before getting caught and DQed, would that invalidate the tourney? For a very minor case of this (2 fights? 3 fights?), obviously you can't restart the whole tournament. How far would they have to run up their score before you would restart? It's a slippery slope to try to name a specific number, and probably best not to bother.

Miandrital July 17 2007 10:48 PM EDT

Synge, it isn't about the score inflation, because score only matters on the last day. It is about the MPR inflation due to the 100% challenge bonus that those who farmed the character received. Obviously, people who started before that occurred were at a disadvantage because they weren't receiving 100% challenge bonus, which according to the new rule, was unfairly obtained.

Synge [Memento Mori] July 18 2007 8:33 AM EDT

Score = challenge bonus. You can't separate the two. If score flows down, the challenge bonus flows down as well. And I agree that this event was disruptive. That's one of the reasons that it is illegal, I'm sure. But what remedy are you suggesting for it? I posit that canceling the entire tournament for it is too strong an action.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 18 2007 11:10 AM EDT

trickle-down theories sound good but rarely work out that well. the guys at the top usually end up getting a larger piece of the pie. those at the bottom get the small bits left over after everyone else gets their larger pieces. the major proponents of these schemes are usually the guys at the top.

if the fairness of the tourney has been sacrificed then we probably need to start it over. i don't see that many negative repercussions for doing just that other than postponing the next tourney. if people get the idea tourneys aren't fair then they may quit playing them.

QBRanger July 18 2007 11:26 AM EDT

I cannot believe I am agreeing with dudemus but he is correct.

The first people to jump on the bandwagon typically get the largest share and the trickle down is minimal at the lower levels.

IMO this has negated the fairness of the tournament now. Even 20 battles getting a 100% challenge bonus can make the final result skewed.

IMO the tournament needs to be restarted. And the people responsible for breaking the spirit of the tourney banned from competing in the restart.

BTW, I am not in T4 and do not plan to be if it restarts. This is just my opinion on the matter.

Synge [Memento Mori] July 18 2007 12:24 PM EDT

The people already in T4 have put a lot of time and energy into the tourney so far. They have displayed their strategies and their fightlists. Why should they be penalized for someone else's misdeeds? Yes, it may end up slightly unfair to some random set of people, but what is the cost of fixing it? Is it any more unfair than someone unwittingly putting some strategic piece of equipment in the auctions and a tourney player picking it up?

In the end, a lot of tournament placement can come down to luck: did your opponent happen to choose a strat that could beat yours; did someone else happen to choose a strat that yours could beat; did you log on when a particular item was in the store or in auctions; did some random tourney player double/triple/quadruple tap you in the last seconds of the tourney. Good tourney players find ways to mitigate the effect of luck, but we can never get rid of it completely.

This sounds like a case where luck is just one of those factors.

QBRanger July 18 2007 12:38 PM EDT

Unfortunately where MPR is a factor in determining who wins, the few battles people have gotten with a high Challenge Bonus from this can be the difference between winning and losing. If score was the only factor, yes, no problem.
But it is not.

dj1914 July 18 2007 9:37 PM EDT

Any info on T5?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 18 2007 9:40 PM EDT

Tomorrow I'll make the post

Tezmac July 20 2007 4:19 PM EDT

Well boo hiss. Luckily for you other participants, I wont be able to fight any more battles as I've got a little mini family emergency that I've got to go out of town for. May you all consider yourself fortunate that I am bowing out. Good luck :O)

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] July 20 2007 4:27 PM EDT

Dang, you were giving me some decent rewards ;)

Hope everything turns out ok.

Synge [Memento Mori] July 22 2007 6:05 PM EDT

Interesting tourney. Can I make one request, though. Can we in the future not give out any prizes for highest win streak? This is a completely random award. From what I can tell, the top prize is in this category is going to be given to someone with 83 battles challenged. 2nd place goes to someone with 731 battles challenged, and 3rd to someone with 247 battles challenged. This is not providing me with much incentive to put time and energy into the next such tournament.

48Zach July 22 2007 6:09 PM EDT

Synge - Score is a complete coin-toss for people that are higher up in the standings aswell.. It's just luck.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 22 2007 6:33 PM EDT

Chaos___UK: 15
T4 Jalal Sayad: 5
Horseguy[TourneyIII]: 3

Rubberduck has requested that TP keep the winnings from his prize for future pots :)

Prizes will be sent out momentarily. Congratulations to the winners and good luck to everyone in T5!

Synge [Memento Mori] July 22 2007 6:35 PM EDT

I will admit that score, at least for about the top 5 people, is a complete toss up. But it does tend to correlate with performance fairly well over several trials. It's okay to have small levels of randomness; otherwise we'd be better off playing chess. But my point is that the winning streak is not representative of any skill or strategy at all, and thus should not be rewarded.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] July 22 2007 6:42 PM EDT

You could say it does reflect our skill Synge, perhaps we should have knocked their streaks down. I did do it to Verifex and might have done the rest but Horseguy had retrained to beat me so I didn't bother. I agree it is rather random but I did think at the start that it gave an interesting choice between double tapping someone at the end for a high score or going for the streak.

I think Slayer has miscalculated my score by giving me the winning streak, that was a retired entry.

Synge [Memento Mori] July 22 2007 6:57 PM EDT

Good show, Rubberduck! And I agree that the point totals appear to be mistaken, probably from the (apropos) winning streak calculation. The first two entries I see in this category are Chaos__UK, which is a disqualified character. T4 Belg shows up next, but if you look at his battle log, you can clearly see that he did not end the tourny with a winning streak. That leaves lovk (MPR 112) to get the 5 points from the winning streak category, and therefore 3rd place.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 22 2007 6:59 PM EDT

Didn't see the tie between RD and Belg in win streak - why again is RD's character disqualified? (retired early, from what I gather?)

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] July 22 2007 7:19 PM EDT

ok - updating the scores (incorrectly scored the first time)

Chaos UK : 10
Jalal: 5
lovk: 5

as per the rules, Jalal will get 2nd place because he has points in more categories.

AdminNightStrike July 31 2007 1:14 AM EDT

I sent 250k to lamber... hopefully I did that right.
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