Worst "rare" in the game (in General)


ScY July 22 2007 3:29 PM EDT

The BoM.

Its almost totally useless. As a power shield, you cannot equip it with a tat, making it useless with ToA tanks. And lets face it: if you have a damage dealer minion that does not have a tat on it, you are either going to have a MgS, or a MS for AC.

The BoM doesnt offer AC, making it useless with PL walls, especially when the much more attractive MgS is out there. It doesnt offer enough ST to make it REALLY compatable with a tank using a TSA or other type of armor (aka not a tat). Lets face it: for those who dont have a tattoo on their damage dealer (really the only minion that would wear the BoM) they would use the MgS, or if it is a heavy tank, a MS. And lets face it. For mages, there arent ANY shields out there.

The BoM either needs another effect, or it needs to be removed of its power shield status. It is just not really an option as something to spend money on.

8DEOTWP July 22 2007 3:32 PM EDT

"For mages, there arent ANY shields out there."
Mages shouldn't have shields anyway, they should be casting spells not blocking blows from superhuman giants with massive hammers.

QBRanger July 22 2007 3:35 PM EDT

I disagree,

I say the MC is the worst rare in the game.

For AC, use the adam, otherwise use the TSA.

Adminedyit July 22 2007 3:36 PM EDT

The main detriment for me to use a BoM over a MgS, is the penalty to its ST boost for using a 2 handed weapon.

ScY July 22 2007 3:38 PM EDT

hm... i didn't think the MC had *rare* status anymore. humph.

Miandrital July 22 2007 3:40 PM EDT

A rare is anything that spawns in auctions...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 22 2007 4:02 PM EDT

It's not the BoM's fault we all suck at making balanced chars...

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 22 2007 5:19 PM EDT

"Its almost totally useless. As a power shield, you cannot equip it with a tat, making it useless with ToA tanks. And lets face it: if you have a damage dealer minion that does not have a tat on it, you are either going to have a MgS, or a MS for AC."

Or a BoM for medium AC and ST? The BoM gives you a huge boost for VB/ELS/BoTH users. And I think it should stay a Power Shield - ToA is already way overpowered and I can't imagine fighting them with an extra 25% ish ST boost.

"The BoM doesnt offer AC, making it useless with PL walls, especially when the much more attractive MgS is out there."

BoM does give AC. And no duh it's useless with PL walls, why would they need ST? It's just like saying a Cornuthaum is useless because you can't use it with a tank.



ScY July 22 2007 6:53 PM EDT

"BoM does give AC. And no duh it's useless with PL walls, why would they need ST? It's just like saying a Cornuthaum is useless because you can't use it with a tank. "


Uhhh, how do you qualify AC?
Sure, the best BoM in the game (10M NW) gives 40 AC, but why spend all that money on a 30% bonus to ST and 40 AC, when you can have around 70 AC with a MS with the approx. same NW, and there are plenty of other items which can give you that same ST boost.


I challenge you this, to all those who disagree with me:

In what plausible strat would a BoM be more useful than a MgS, or even a MS for that matter?

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] July 22 2007 6:58 PM EDT

A light tank, the items allow you to focus exp more into dex.
and saying other items give STR, even better. Add a BoM to a Hoe, Tulkas and an AoM and you're laughing.
Who says the tat needs to be on the damage dealer? you don't have to have a ToA especially since it will eventually be nerfed.

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 22 2007 7:26 PM EDT

"Sure, the best BoM in the game (10M NW) gives 40 AC, but why spend all that money on a 30% bonus to ST and 40 AC, when you can have around 70 AC with a MS with the approx. same NW, and there are plenty of other items which can give you that same ST boost."

You think 30% is not a lot? Think again. 70 AC with an MS, but you take a DX penalty and an additional one when you equip 2h weapons, range, etc...

And plenty of items? That's a stupid way to put it. Those items take slots... you can't compare shields to TGs, HoE, TSA, or AoMs. By your logic, why not just raise your TSA, HoE, and TG's another 10 points each to make up for the loss of using the BoM to get 30 more AC with an MS?

QBRanger July 22 2007 8:00 PM EDT

Edyit said it before but I will repeat it.

Most tanks use the MH while a few use other weapons such as the VB.

The BOM is nearly useless for this majority as it gives very little strenght bonus.

Adminedyit July 22 2007 8:02 PM EDT

well if the best BoM in the game is only 10m NW that alone should tell you something....

48Zach July 22 2007 8:07 PM EDT

Ranger, couldn't 30% be quite a bit? It's 300,000 on a 1,000,000 traind STR..

QBRanger July 22 2007 8:16 PM EDT

Certainly, however for real tanks using a MH, it is only 100,000 for 1M str.

I would rather have 30 more AC from a MS, or 30% magic resistance from a MgS.

Even 300k on 1M will not increase your damage much. But, as stated, most tanks in the know use a 2h weapon.

QBRanger July 22 2007 8:17 PM EDT

But what about my choice for the worst rare--the uber MC.

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 22 2007 8:18 PM EDT

You only get 1/3 of the ST bonus w/ a 2h weapon Zach. Maybe that's the penalty we should get rid of to make the BoM more popular...

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 22 2007 8:20 PM EDT

The MC could be a decent substitute for the MCM for mages - a lot more AC without going to the penalties of the Adam...

QBRanger July 22 2007 8:23 PM EDT

How many mages use the MC?

Many more prefer the TSA or EH.

Less pure AC but other, better, powers instead.

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 22 2007 8:43 PM EDT

That's true.

QBOddBird July 22 2007 8:44 PM EDT

aye - I'm going to be putting some AC on my mage, and I decided I didn't want the Adam's penalties, and I'm using a TSA. The MC didn't even cross my mind. It just isn't an option anymore.

Poor thing. *kicks it*

Mem July 22 2007 8:53 PM EDT

MiniMem (Trillion) 72.189.74.85 Adminedyit (Edyit) $20 -- $20 word award 8:53 PM EDT

Talion July 22 2007 9:54 PM EDT

What about the Executioner's Sword. I used a few of them and have found them totally useless compared to a Katana. And since a BoNE is relatively easy to obtain, it makes the Executioner's Sword totally useless.

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 22 2007 10:05 PM EDT

I guess we assumed that we were looking in the rare armor category.

lostling July 22 2007 10:38 PM EDT

face it people -.- as i said so many times 60% of the armor and weapons are "USELESS" they have no point in existing except to fill the shops -.- sure you get a feel oddballs like katana and HLA and stuff that makes a newbie wall set -.- but basically all other armor and weapons are pointless to get i already suggested a combo idea where different items get used together for a "set" effect or something -.- then maybe at least someone will use them other then the new players -.-

Flamey July 23 2007 3:27 AM EDT

if the BoM didn't have the 1/3 ST penalty for 2 handed weapons, I'd gladly use it.

1/3% ST is crap for what it gives, Adds extra PR and less DX, I'd rather lower PR and Higher DX for a minimal increase in ST.

Herbstwind [The Knighthood] July 23 2007 6:36 AM EDT

i use BoM and MC on my tank and i love it .) low dex penalties and combined ST bonus with other items is 60% atm, which i think is quite decent. and in addition : not everyone is capable of obtaining the best equipment for a strat that you can possibly think of.

Talion July 23 2007 11:27 AM EDT

I also plan to use the BoM as soon as my NCB is over. It will give me a much needed ST boost which will allow my AxBow to do its work and my BoTH to extirpate more life from my enemies every time I hit them.

As for the penalties with Two-Handed weapons, I think they are justified. Just try to imagine someone swinging a huge hammer or sword with two hands while having a shield strapped to their arm.

48Zach July 23 2007 12:34 PM EDT

Lets see some life! I'm going to make a character tha functions with an average stability rate, that uses the BoTH,MC, and BoM! That'll show ya!

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] July 23 2007 1:39 PM EDT

Power shields suck in general with all the limitations on equipment combinations with tattoos. Hopefully someday Jon will ease up on all the restrictions. At least make it so we can equip these things with a penalty.

Talion July 23 2007 2:13 PM EDT

I think that Jon's trenchant restrictions are there to prevent tanks from equipping themselves with a ToA and a power shield at the same time. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

Also, imagine a Fireball mage training Evasion and hiding behind a ToE and a Mage Shield (if the DD spell nullification effect was extirpated as well). That would just be ridiculous.

Talion July 23 2007 3:04 PM EDT

I haven't participated in any tournaments yet, but is it feasible to buy a Katana, Executioner's Sword, and/or a MC before the end of a tournament?

If the answer is yes, I think that, if only for that purpose, all of the above mentioned rares have their place in CB.

So then the less useful rare item, in my opinion, would then be the Rune of Balrog Flame. Now that, people, is one rare item that everyone can agree is totally useless.

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] July 23 2007 4:17 PM EDT

"Also, imagine a Fireball mage training Evasion and hiding behind a ToE and a Mage Shield (if the DD spell nullification effect was extirpated as well)"

That was a horrible example =/ I can't even imagine fighting normal mages with Mage Shields...

AdminNightStrike July 23 2007 7:19 PM EDT

"a much needed ST boost which will allow my AxBow to do its work"

St-boosting items don't increase stat drain, only damage.

QBRanger July 23 2007 7:21 PM EDT

Trust NS on this one. He tested it out quite a lot.

Talion July 23 2007 9:08 PM EDT

Yeah, I reread the help info and this time I noticed that it was "trained" ST that effected the amount of DX drained.
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