T11: Crouching Rogue, Hidden Dagger UPDATE! (in Contests)

Themed tourney from Mr. OB, thanks OB :)

Rules:
Leather Armor only, cloaks included.
Daggers/Main Gauche and Slings/Shortbows only.
No bloodlust, archery, or UC.
Your rogue(s) (minion wielding dagger) must be the only damage dealer.
All DD spells prohibited.
You may have enchanters, however your rogue may not train enchantments.
You may upgrade Ammo during this tourney.
2500 BA cap.
500 starting BA.
Tourney starts September 4 12:00 PM EDT and lasts until September 11th, 12 PM EDT.
On the last day of the tournament, September 10th, 12PM to September 11th, 12PM, you may only fight other tournament characters.
No tattoos.
All rules in This thread apply.

Win Condition: Highest MPR/Battles Challenged ratio. You must use at least 2000 BA to be eligible for the prize.

The Tul-wars have begun! You may now also equip Tulwars on your tourney characters.

Prizes:
1st) A Rune of Enlightenment
2nd) 500k
3rd) A Combat Gi [1]

By the way - about 20 minutes before the tourney starts OB and I will sell a bunch of daggers to the store, hopefully everyone will be able to get one (if not chatmail me and we will work something out)

Sounds like fun. I'll definitely be joining this one. :)

"Your rogue(s) (minion wielding dagger) must be the only damage dealer."

Any restrictions on tattoos, besides the obvious 'no familiars'?

Are we allowed AMF and GA, then?

I think that's all of the questions I can think of. :)

Forgot about the whole tattoo thing - no on all forms of tattoos. Your rogue cannot train ED/EO, but any other minions you have may.

Lol i see a lot of stalemates coming :)

This sound like one of the coolest Tourneys yet. I am very excited to get in this one good luck all.

I know you said Enchanter were permitted, but you did not mention GA and I think you should say no. Or only allow the rogue to cast it as it deals damage.

Second I would like you to correct me on this, because of the way it is written, I am not clear on this.

You are allowed to use cloaks
Or you are not allowed to

Thanks Thanatos

he means that cloaks count as armour that is allowed. So all leathers and cloaks.

Can we not use a dagger and only a sling or shortbow?
/me goes to store and buy up all the daggers ;)

GA is OK, Cloaks are OK

please leave the dagger buying to me and OB ;)

Just on a note, slayer said in chat that it would be pointless to buy daggers to put into auctions because the tourney characters have no way of making money, they need to buy a dagger right away.

You can't auction off daggers anyway, there's a NW limit I think. Unless if someone upgrades them all...

Let me be the first to say that this tourney is retarded.

Without archery or BL, there is no way to do enough damage to compete with non-T characters unless you are content with a -100% challenge bonus. I am sure that some fools will fight Fsl-masta's character so they get a high score, and then the rest of us will farm them endlessly, but that is besides the point.

If you want to make it a semi-interesting tourney drop the BL restriction and the dagger only restriction and make it one-handed weapons only.

If you aren't creative enough to find a way to win battles even when severely handicapped, Miandrital, then you are correct - this tournament probably isn't for you.

Oh, one more question popped up. Are we allowed to use Small Wooden Shields? Every other type of armor has 1 piece that we can use. :P

<sarcasm>Gosh, the first person to get the biggest LToA & train archery can't win this one, how lame is this gonna be?
</sarcasm>

This one is very cool and uber creative :)

Amazing

Ten minutes before the tourney start a couple of daggers and a main gauche and some sling that were not up graded and then two minutes latter all gone.

Crazy

Your rogue(s) (minion wielding dagger) must be the only damage dealer.

Can this be interpreted as :

Your rogue(s) (minion(s) wielding dagger(s)) must be the only damage dealer(s)?

or....

only one rogue per team?

personally i prefer to think its 1 damage dealer only... one more thing i noticed is that some enchanters wield daggers (thought anyone wielding a dagger is considered a rouge) :)

Enchanters wield daggers to shift their familiar's around... There are no tat's allowed in this tourney, so enchanters do not need to wear daggers.

That being true, the rules state clearly rogues may NOT train enchantments.

multiple rogues are OK, any minion wielding a dagger or gauche (or sling) will be considered a rogue. Rogues may not train any enchantments.

To clarify a question from chat, you may NOT use a staff sling, only normal slings (and shortbows)

The classic ranged weapon of a rogue (at least from dnd3e) is the light crossbow or hand crossbow... That should be allowed, too, yes?

lol... So I just made my character, and there are no daggers available... Glad the BA is capped.

Heck, I've been trying to get my hands on one for 3 hours now. I've lost 2 so far. Oh, well, I've never claimed to be a good camper :P

Well, I just missed two more, each by a fraction of a second. That's four hours wasted now, because of that 20 minute "cooling down" thing. Maybe Mian was right after all.

If there wasn't a lack of daggers and main gauches available, there wouldn't be any problem with this tourney.

One of the problems, though, is people creating a tourney character, getting one or more weapons, then either retiring the character or never using it again and just leaving the weapon rotting there that us people who want to participate need.

(PS: Gauches is not in the dictionary? Is it not the plural of gauche? :P)

It's now been 8 hours since I started; a full BA recycle; and still no signs of any daggers or main gauches.

:) i've given up trying to find a dagger lol

Spork (T11 Ghost) 76.104.194.166 buy A Main Gauche ($414) 10:27 PM EDT

Oh, yes, too expensive for the start. My mistake.

I know, I'm watching the stores and seeing what you mean, Barzoo - I'm ever so tempted to force a store refresh to get some daggers/gauches out there...but I know that's one of those 'against the rules' type things....*harumphs*

9 hours. I'm going to bed now.

:P

Should have called this tourney, "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Short Bow" It's pretty much impossible to do well in this without one. I guess camping is back in style for a few days... good luck to us all.

... Instead of strategically dismantling your opponent, camp the store and prevent your adversarie from even touching you!...

T11: Bring your Marshmellows.

AoD's character, T11 Souldude, has been caught with a DD spell, breaking the rules. Thus, it has been retired, renamed with a DQ for disqualified, and reset.

Here is an image as proof.

Well, I thought that I'd check one more time between my shower and actually sleeping. It's been 10 hours now.

In hindsight, a 12-24 hour grace period allowing the use of other low level weapons would have been reasonable. Notice I used the word 'reasonable', and not 'fair' (which is a word that has too many different perceptions to be applicable), as in:

Tournament competitors should be able to have the reasonable expectation that they be allowed the resources to be competitive from the outset, not a day or 2 later, when they are woefully behind, even with a BA cap.

I was excited about the potential for this one, but it looks like I'll only be a spectator for T11. Sorry, guys - no high-score character from me for you to farm this time. Maybe T12... :)

Hey RedX3, pass me some marshmallows ;)

I would, but I'm sitting home watching as you are doing. You're gonna have to ask someone else for the marshmellows. Sorry dude.

can i just say that non tourney characters that buy up gear neccesary for a tourney and then upgrade them and sell them at auction so base players starting in the tourney can't get them should be severely fined in some way and i would like to make note inregards to Thrakstoddard auction postings considering he has no tourney character at the time of this posting.

I'm wondering why I can't sell base arrows and I can sell my upgraded short bow to the store? Is it a bug?

just threw two daggers into the store. I won't buy them, but hopefully it'll come back to me :)

T11 Update! - The Tul-Wars Begin Now!

You may now equip Tulwars on your Rogues.

I'm dropping a few in the store as we speak - don't miss yours! ~_^

The idea for this was interesting... maybe next time, if you can procure the equipment necessary ahead of time, distribute it to the tournament characters directly. Put a cap on entries, first come, first served.

Like, say you have 25 daggers. Send them directly to the first 25 people to sign up for the tournament, and then close it.

=\ I dropped 20+ daggers/gauches into the store right before it started - figured that would be enough, but didn't count on:

1) number of people entering
2) people grabbing multiple weapons, including beyond what they needed
3) slow store refresh

Makes for a tourney with a camping feel to it, though. ~_^

/me already gave up

I don't see any answer to the "small wooden shield" question. I see at least one character has one equipped, but I don't want to equip one until I know it's legal

"Leather Armor only, cloaks included."

My apologies, I should've read up through the thread. I'm rather hoping to keep it to that rule, no shields allowed - a good rogue would hopefully not need a shield, choosing instead to stealthily take out his opponent. ^_^ Thanks for bringing that back up.

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on the topic of armor - anything with leather in the name is considered leather, nothing else.

Leather Scale Mails allowed?

"anything with leather in the name is considered leather"

That's affirmative, Zachiepoo!

This is a list of all the tourney characters sorted by MPR/Battles as Challenger. I only included the notes for the top 10

Name MPR Battles MPR/BAC notes tornangel11 5532 231 23.94805195 retired Tigah Tourney 11 21131 906 23.32339956 4 minions TourneyPwner 11-3 3685 172 21.4244186 1 minion Grand Theft Airplane 32997 1781 18.52723189 4 minions Dagger Rogue 30611 1667 18.36292741 4 minions T11 Belg 29021 1654 17.54594921 4 minions T11-Burnin 17993 1414 12.72489392 3 minions [T11]Spoon 16092 1268 12.69085174 4 minions wabbit 19011 1583 12.00947568 4 minions Pirate 13269 1329 9.984198646 3 minions T11 Artemis 2041 207 9.859903382 T11-BD 3722 405 9.190123457 T11-BDark 1814 209 8.679425837 T11 App. St 7932 1002 7.916167665 The Black Pearl 1146 148 7.743243243 Banes Assassin 1678 258 6.503875969 AA11 1098 178 6.168539326 T11 try 2 292 52 5.615384615 (T11)Tyriel 112 22 5.090909091

T11 3rd 740 150 4.933333333 Victim T11 2458 510 4.819607843 HKR T11 3357 698 4.809455587 [T11]Hatchetman 1200 253 4.743083004 T11 Ghost 2475 550 4.5 Dark Feather 4092 954 4.289308176 Legato Bluesummers 750 187 4.010695187 T11 Double Dragon 1302 343 3.795918367 okay 3 460 122 3.770491803 Tremyst 1276 347 3.677233429 BloodHoundGang 410 114 3.596491228 Shy Rogue 1011 282 3.585106383 T11 Spork 271 77 3.519480519 T11 U-M 575 166 3.463855422 [T-11]Beemer 487 224 2.174107143 Ormus 57 40 1.425 Ravagemen[T] 1 1 1 Boten Anna 1 4 0.25 TourneyPwner 11 1 157 0.006369427 Fibber 19 0 0

[T11] The Black Tiger 19 0 0 [DQ]T11 Souldude 1 0 0 tornangel11/2 1 0 0 okay #2 1 0 0

Nice work, Mian! ^_^

What other weapons other than the dagger and main gauche are we allowed to use? I see people using a tulwar...

T11 Update! - The Tul-Wars Begin Now!

You may now equip Tulwars on your Rogues.

I'm dropping a few in the store as we speak - don't miss yours! ~_^

--QBOOB, September 5 1:23 PM EDT

Sigh...
And I just wasted so much money to upgrade that stupid dagger...

Do chars get auto-retired after they have burned their 2500BA? Or will they remain active until the end of the tourney?

They dont get retired until the end of tourney.

Do we have a reason for adding the Tulwar to the tourney or was it just a whim decision? If you are basing the tulwar on prior thief actions I would like to make a point of the rapier based on the character Artemis Enteri who used a knife/rapier combination is the Drizzt Do Urden series and he was an assasin (In most games a type of thief or in DND a version of thief). This is all just commentary for the sake of commentary :P.

Are we allowed to retire our characters and then unretire to fight again? I saw TourneyPwner 11-3 character doing it.

Rule from the initial tourney thread:

5) You may not retire your character early, the only exception is on the first day of the tourney.

unretiring a char takes 4 days...how exactly could he have done it?

I retired my first character because I didn't feel like completing the tourney. Then I had a change of heart, and started a new one.

novice, that 4-9 days window applies only to normal characters, I think.

Nope, it applies to tourney characters too.

Really? I know it shows up, but it really can't be selected. Even admins can't unretire tourney chars.

In Mian's footprints, here are the standings for all characters eligible for prizes at Monday, September 10th, 06:00 EDT 2007:

Name	TourneyPwner 11-3	Tigah Tourney 11	Grand Theft Airplane	Dagger Rogue	T11 Belg	T11-Burnin	wabbit	T11 App. St
MPR	55714	44891	47978	46862	45937	42508	32476	24575
Battles Challenged	2000	2001	2500	2500	2465	2500	2500	2136
MPR/BC	27,857	22,43428286	19,1912	18,7448	18,6356998	17,0032	12,9904	11,50514981

Our winners are:

Nerevas: 1st place
Miandrital: 2nd place
IndependenZ: 3rd place

Congratulations and good luck in T12 :)

prizes will be sent asap.

Congratulations you three.. Nice job.. ;)

Thanks. I shouldn't have bought those minions so early, but I did it because I figured Nere wouldn't stay in. Unfortunately he did and so I got second.

Good strategy though by nere :)

Congrats guys! ^_^