Selling out (in General)
No, I'm not selling out... not now, not ever... But there are many mixed opinions about those who sell out. Some think there's nothing wrong with playing the game solely for selling out for a few bucks here and there. Others, see it as a slap in the face of the game. This thread is for your opinions on the matter.
My PERSONAL opinion on the matter. It is a slap in the face of the game to play with only the intention of selling out. This does not include the guy that played for a long time, (and may or may not have put money of their own in) and has to leave for whatever reasons deciding to sell everything for USD... That's another case, and while I don't like to see those people go, I can't keep them here, so I won't try. But, as far as those just constantly keeping track of how much USD their account is worth, waiting on the peak time to sell, I see that as "I put my time in, pay me!"... Reality check people, THIS IS A GAME!!! A game is a form of entertainment. You don't watch a movie you enjoy then demand payment from the theatre manager... You don't play final fantasy for cash...
In an average day, the average non-NUB can make ~350k if they don't buy BA and don't miss any spawned BA. This equates to $2.10 /day (at a $6:1m rate). I hear Burger King pays over triple that for only one hour! You want a job? This is not it.
My fiftieth of a buck.
March 6 2008 8:11 PM EST
Well last I heard, you can sell out if you want too. There's no inequality here, just pointless complaining. People have been selling CB items and CBD for USD since CB first came out.
Forgot to point out, I have nothing against people who do play only to sell out, but it is a nasty habit of theirs I personally don't approve of. I know a couple dudes right now that I have told directly that I don't like their habit of selling constantly, and yet, I've helped quite a few of them accomplish exactly what they were trying to do. I don't like your habits, but until you wrong me in some severe way, I have nothing against you.
And please, when you reply, try to be civil.
March 6 2008 8:27 PM EST
Boo to sell outs!!
In all honesty, I always thought myself as a free market type of guy. It's kinda contradictory to hate the usd sellers because they are, after all, serving a demand (a rising demand as of late).
Like you said hatch, the pay is awful. So anyone doing this is not really doing themselves a favor. Hence, let them be. Let them serve the insatiable desire to fast track amongst usd spenders. They're really making pittance out of this.
March 6 2008 8:27 PM EST
I have no problem with people selling out.
However, I do have a problem with NUB's selling out and using the NUB only to make some quick cash.
The NUB is not designed to make real money, but is supposed to let someone be able to catch up to the top characters, in both money and MPR.
We continually get NUB's who profess to stay in CB after their NUB is up. But like Nosebleed, just a few posts back, they sell out all the while typing out of their other face.
Quote: N0seBLeeD, Mar 5
"I don't mind it. Looks to me just other thing certain CB users can whine about. There's always SOMETHING you guys are complaining about, whether its evasion, forging NUBS, etc etc. Can you not just enjoy the game?"
*hits the breaks*
N0sebleed has never made claims his intentions were anything but to sell $CB. I have had discussions with him about this. Can we please stop trying to crucify the dude for doing what so many do? ...
You want someone to stone? Try kmg, who left here with nothing but good graces from (nearly?) all, and sold everything out for USD. Sure he claimed throughout his NUB that he was here "for the long haul", and sure he left with a 12.5 (i think) debt to NightStrike. But who cares, right?
No I do not approve of people playing the game strictly to sell out. And No, I DEFINITELY do not approve of the public lynching of someone because you don't agree with their habits.
This really is a mixed issue, but I made the thread so that people could voice their opinions civilly, instead of throwing stones back and forth in chat.
March 6 2008 8:41 PM EST
So what we have is someone "enjoying" the game with the express intention of selling CB2 for USD?
Every other RPG I have played online was to build characters, armies, castles, kingdoms.
Not to make money to sell. However, that said, there are some people who do just that.
Myself, I personally would not like to see this behavior from new players, especially those that abuse the NUB for that purpose. The again, I have feed the trolls in their endeavors. So I am partially to blame as well.
Okay... so lets take his 30 mil and take his Nub away and let him earn money to sell that way... otherwise without nub he won't make nearly enough to make it worth playing... So lets take the nub and turn it into NCB... and give Nub a certain quota of tokens or such that they can spend at the blacksmith or auctioneer...
March 6 2008 8:46 PM EST
I don't seem the problem. I've been selling my cb $$ since I STARTED. Just because I saved up a bit, it's become an issue. It has nothing to do with my NUB running out.
Whine whine whine. There is no reason to be mad at NUBs for selling their cash that they're earning. All they do in the end is hurt themselves, if they stick around, and if they don't? Good riddance.
I foresee the only problem being NUBs selling out all their stuff at the end of their NUB, and deleting their character just to create another one to do the same process with. THAT is the only time when I would be angry at someone for selling out.
March 6 2008 9:13 PM EST
There is nothing wrong with making a little side money while having fun. As previously mentioned, playing CB doesn't even generate minimum wage. However, you don't have to be at the computer for 8 straight hours to play. It can be a way for people to create side cash, while supplying people with a service.
March 6 2008 9:14 PM EST
Exactly. I'm not playing it for cash. It's FUN. The cash is a bonus.
perhaps some of this energy would serve a better purpose in coming up with some solutions in the usd thread. if we can minimize the benefits of usd influence, then the market would diminish as well.
the cash is the purpose you mean. You've pretty much sold the vast majority of your income for USD.
March 6 2008 9:19 PM EST
Do I hear a wahhhhhmmmbulance?
Dudemus ... I dont want to lessen the effect the USD market has on CB. I don't think it's a problem.
glad we established that.
You have forfeited almost all your MPR and dedicated it all into forging, in which you have sold the vast majority for USD.
Long haul? I see no long haul.
Is it wrong though? I don't know, it's not wrong, since the system allowed it. Is it going to change? Doubt it.
Is it a problem for the game? Yes.
March 6 2008 9:28 PM EST
Why do I have to play exactly how you guys play?
For example, if I was an NHL goalie with a different style, you'd all whine at me for playing that style? I play how I want to play. If you don't like it, it's not my problem.
You guys all preach about wanting new players and such but all you do is complain about their unfair benefits. Doesn't that kind of contradict what you want?
March 6 2008 9:35 PM EST
We certainly do not have a problem with new players that stay and apparently want to play the game.
Little Anthony is a classic example of this type of player, one that makes the game better for all.
3/4th is a forger while the NUB allowed that exploit. But... he is saving his money, either to put it back into his current character and/or items or start a NCB. At least I hope he does that.
You, on the other hand, have used the NUB forging exploit and then sell the CB2 you make. You have no decent character and no means to get one, other then start a NCB. And your past actions, you will sell the money you make running one of those.
The money bonus for the NUB was designed to give those new to the game a chance to catch up in money and MPR to those near the top. If you sell your cb2, what value is it to your character's development other than RL money for you.
Why do I have to play exactly how you guys play?
No one is asking you to. At least I'm not. I can look down at you though, just like other NUB users who are changing a game into a USD fest.
You guys all preach about wanting new players and such but all you do is complain about their unfair benefits. Doesn't that kind of contradict what you want?
New players. As in playing CB as a game, not a job.
"But this is how I like playing the game! It's not a job."
I know you'll say that so...
I'd like to say that I seriously doubt that. NUB sellouts are in for the USD, not to enjoy the great combat system there is to offer. Have you tried it? You really should, it's quite nice. It also has a great economy to play with, which would great to play with if you had some CBD.
March 6 2008 9:40 PM EST
Why do I have to set up my character for when my nub is done? I'm playing how I want. And if I quit when my Nub is over, THEN you can complain.
And let's try to remember that this is NOT a stone-throwing thread... IS NOT!!!
You understand that complaining about Nosebleed is not advancing the discussion at all, just bringing it off-topic. So if you're going to post here just to complain about Nosebleed... don't. Don't bother posting.
We're trying to have a simple "what's your opinion" thread here and you're all turning it into something hateful and disrespectful.
We want new players to become productive members of the community (like it seems you ARE at least trying to do...), and to give us another strategic mind to work with/against while we battle for "the top"... Of course, people will become upset when the new guy doesn't turn out to be their picture of a "productive member".
I use "we" not to speak for everyone, but to sum up what the general concensus seems to be... I would personally love to see what someone who puts in as much time as you obviously can into the game can accomplish. But, I fear you will continue to sell everything you ever make until you lose your NUB and find it's not profitable anymore, then quit. This is what everyone sees coming, this is why they harp on you. I hope we're wrong...
Although, with the way you're being treated at the moment, why should we be wrong? Why should you keep coming back once you've drained the proverbial tit that is your bonus? Keeps up like this, and while I wouldn't like it, I wouldn't blame ya for leaving...
I see playing CB only to make a quick buck as blatant disrespect. I see brazenly obvious discourtesy and rudeness as blatent disrespect as well. However, the first is my opinion. The second, is definition.
I've stated my piece enough times. This thread is beginning to turn into the total crapfest that I probably should've pictured it would become (and here I thought we could have a sensible discussion on a touchy issue), so I give up. Don't let my discontent stop you though. If you are happy flinging poo at each other, then by all means, continue to do so until an admin sees fit to close this or until all bowels are empty.
March 6 2008 10:11 PM EST
Firstly, I don't really care how you play the game, I rarely chat or post...but... diversity is what makes this a great game and why I have continued to play it for almost 4 years...
Secondly "selling out for USD" is not that big of a problem to me , I think, because not only have I bought for USD, I have also sold out...more than once...
I don't like it when people only build up with the intent to sell out, but I have profited from it also, so I think it is just one of those situations where we will never all agree.
But the thing that keeps me coming back, other than watching little numbers grow ^^ is point #1...
Of all of the games I play, computer, PS3, RPG, shooter, whatever the ones I keep returning to are the ones that change/adapt and give me more...
This thread is also a great example of point #1 because how much fun would this be if we all had the same Ideals/Strategies/Goals...
March 6 2008 10:15 PM EST
"I see playing CB only to make a quick buck as blatant disrespect. I see brazenly obvious discourtesy and rudeness as blatent disrespect as well. However, the first is my opinion. The second, is definition."
I agree TheHatchet. You have to understand though, I didn't come to this game just to make USD. That wasn't my intention.
March 6 2008 10:18 PM EST
"That wasn't my intention."
But it is what is going on now, no?
At least that is what it appears to be to most of us.
March 6 2008 10:22 PM EST
<Ranger> Hatch, what have you started in forums?
It doesn't look to me like what he's started, but what certain individuals have turned it into. Ahem, Ranger.
March 6 2008 10:23 PM EST
I am not the only one who feels this way and posted as such.
Now hush OB.
March 6 2008 10:25 PM EST
I don't think I'll hush, Ranger, but I'll post what I think instead. Thanks.
And it was not how you feel, but the fact that as soon as you posted, you pointed a finger at a NUB you particular held issue towards. Just thought I'd point out that if you're going to talk about the direction the thread is heading in, you can at least take recognition of who turned the steering wheel.
March 6 2008 10:26 PM EST
I don't mean to argue in the thread. Just feel the need to stick up for myself. Anyway, won't happen again.
I guess I did come off a bit aggressive, I apologize for that.
Though it really does anger me how such a good game is turning more and more into the USD aspect, especially the NUB aspect of it.
I doubt things will change though.
Nosebleed gets me a bit rustled cause he's a NUB forger. It's a touchy subject I have had to dance around for a while, and will possibly the rest of my CB career.
Oh well, what can you do?
March 6 2008 10:31 PM EST
Then certainly OB,
I feel this way about Nosebleed. I make absolutely no bones about it.
None whatsoever. Someone who has done nothing but use the NUB, especially the exploit of the forging bonus to make money to sell.
If I do see he is playing as much as presently 6 months from now, then I will be utterly shocked and issue one hell of an apology. However, once he sees the pitiful rewards normal people make, he will be out of here so quick.
But also remember there are plenty of others who feel the exact same I do, and this applies to all NUB's that play then sell out. A nice part are multis, but that is known as well.
March 6 2008 10:33 PM EST
Maybe when My Nub is gone, and I work my BUTT off to get to 1mil MPR before I forge again, I'll earn your respect. Maybe not. I don't really care.
just a confession: I play CB with the intent to sell out at an unspecified date. Maybe its end of NUB, maybe its after that. [I really don't see myself sell out in like 2 days, but you never know.]
One of the charm of CB is that I get my fun while playing, and get rewarded financially (a little anyway, I have friends that sell out at $10 a million and get a mox pearl [NOTE: a very expensive Magic:the gathering card in the proximaty of $200-$1000 US. I really can't say how much it worth, but its not far from it.])
I would like the USD-CBD market continuing, otherwise those who has spent has great advantage.
March 7 2008 2:12 AM EST
I don't have anything positive to add.
I thought about posting my opinion anyhow but I know it would seem personal or harsh because it's a pretty strong opinion.
So I posted this instead because it was hard not to post anything.
March 7 2008 8:36 AM EST
the ability to sell out has always been an attraction to me =x not that i even have a paypal account atm... lol but yea... i enjoy watching money grow... and yes i like to keep track how much USD my account is worth lol :)
1st the main problem is NUB (personally think rewards should be reduced at least on the money side... duration double and overall rewards halved)
2nd its not really about the fact that some NUBs sell out... its actually about lying about their intentions... that actually irritates me...
I periodically sell CB$ for USD. I did spend USD early on when I bought the largest MH in the game. I certainly don't constantly check the value of my account to see how much I am earning, the usd gained is just a by product of playing a game I enjoy.
I wonder if deep down you wish you were making real money out of the effort you are putting in which might explain your feelings.
"Reality check people, THIS IS A GAME!!! A game is a form of entertainment. You don't watch a movie you enjoy then demand payment from the theatre manager... You don't play final fantasy for cash..."
These comparisons are irrelevant, I could say football is a game, poker is a game and there are plenty of other video games you can earn money playing. Your view of what a GAME should be seems very narrow and outdated.
1 other point, yes the money gained here is minimal for those of us living in the wealthy countries however for those where the cost of living is far lower the cash you can earn could be quite significant.
I shall refrain from commenting on the NUB in this regard.
March 7 2008 9:31 AM EST
lol I don't even have money to buy a supportership...
But I play this just for fun and not to make USD because I think this is a game and not a job right?!?
March 7 2008 10:24 AM EST
I play this game purely to make negative USD. Freed doesnt smell.
March 7 2008 10:25 AM EST
I do however agree thats NUB's selling out is a bad part of the game. What can be done about it - somebody earlier said something about making it the same as an NCB but with tokens to buy equipment - sounds good.
March 7 2008 10:37 AM EST
I've made a nice chunk of change in CB1 and CB2. I started selling out here because we have certain users willing to buy CB to stay ahead of everyone else and pretty much make the game unwinnable for anyone else.
I indeed enjoy the fact that we've got Freed and Ranger condemning the NUB sellouts in this thread, but have no problem turning around and buying their CB from them as soon as it's up for sale. Interesting isn't it?
March 7 2008 11:09 AM EST
Do we really have a problem with NUBs selling out?
I'd be interested in some statistical data.
What's the average lifetime of a gamer?
By that I mean, how long does Joe Average play an online game for before moving on to the next best thing? 2 months, 4 months, 6 months..?
I know that when I've bought a PC game in the past I've played it for 3 or 4 months and put it down rarely ever going back to it. I suspect Jon didn't come up with 4 months as a duration for N*B because 4 is his lucky number, and wouldn't be surprised if this is about how long the average player sticks around for.
I hear a lot of complaints on the board about NUBs selling out. There's certainly been a few, and some of them high profile. However, I think the impact and frequency of NUBs selling out is exaggerated and nothing other than "average".
I started my post with the plea for some statistical data. It would be good to know how many NUBs "sell out" and whether or not it's a CB only problem.
Or, if as I suspect, NUBs sell out because they can, and because it's perfectly normal for a high percentage of gamers to leave an online game after 4 months or so...
Anyone know what the average lifetime for someone playing an online game is? A quick google on my behalf didn't yield an answer.
March 7 2008 11:40 AM EST
What exactly is the difference between somebody selling out at the end of their NUB and somebody selling cash for usd for an extended period of time?
And what's the difference between somebody selling out at the end of their NUB and an old timer selling up their gear for USD and leaving?
I bet the majority of people who've put USD into the game would want something back from their time here if they were to leave. In fact remembering the end of CB1 a lot of people seemed to think it was their right to get something back.
I've just looked back over the past 4 months of FS/WTB and there are far more long term players selling cash for USD than NUBs; far more.
So if we have a problem you could say it's not really NUB players but CB as a whole. And you know what, if nobody was buying nobody would be selling.
March 7 2008 11:50 AM EST
But as Dude says:
"dudemus, Mar 6
perhaps some of this energy would serve a better purpose in coming up with some solutions in the usd thread. if we can minimize the benefits of usd influence, then the market would diminish as well. "
March 7 2008 11:53 AM EST
I personally think the difference is that most people won't look at a long term member that sold out as badly because maybe they put in an effert and their usd/pay rate is so low that the money is so small it's funny, where as these guys forging 7 mil per day at 70% is something like almost 5 mil per day profit which is something like 25 to 30 usd per day. Yes that's not a lot but right now I'm lucky if as I'm buying ba I make 1 mil per week. That's 5 USD per week to their 25 to 30 usd per day. I think people are more mad because the NUB is in place to allow people to catch up and compete and if they wish to use it to make as much money as possible to just stop playing then most people would rather they not be here, but like you said if people are buying it all from em then it won't stop.
I personally don't care. I don't spend USD and I haven't sold anything. My roommate played CB for years and decided to sell out but not because he wanted to but because he could really use the money at the time. Now that he is in a better spot he might start playing again and wish he had some of that stuff, but yeah I don't think people looked bad on him but they do on NUBs. This ismy only explanation as to why. It might be right or it might be wrong, but it seems to be what people think and also what I think pretty much.
March 7 2008 11:57 AM EST
I LOVE how people use selling out as an excuse. The veterans and such say "Oh, I really need the money"
Bla bla bla.
If you NEEDED money you would get a job. Stop lying. Nobody sells out because they need money.
March 7 2008 12:00 PM EST
Well that shows where you are immature and don't know much. A vet playing years and years might have over 200 to 250 or more worth of items and in a time of need that could help out with paying a light bill. I personally know if I was short money to pay a bill and my daughters would suffer from it I would sell out in a heartbeat to pay that bill, and yet I personally would look at it as different than a nub selling out where their only intent while playing was to make cb to sell it. So please before you comment about how a person could sell out because they need cash please use your brain and think first.
March 7 2008 2:27 PM EST
All this time and I didn't notice there was a difference between NUB and NCB... well, even though I "played" CB for over 3 years, I didn't really "played" until about a month ago.
Knowing that, I can see why some people would get "annoyed" with NUB players abusing the system for a quick buck(USD). especially the ones that abuse the forge.
Someone mention about giving tokens to new players to purchase items which sounds like a great idea. I want to take it a step farther and propose those tokens can only be used at the "new user shop". The "new user shop" items can not be transferred, auctioned, or sold.
remove the nub and give it back to the people.
"What exactly is the difference between somebody selling out at the end of their NUB and somebody selling cash for usd for an extended period of time?
And what's the difference between somebody selling out at the end of their NUB and an old timer selling up their gear for USD and leaving?"
As far as I'm aware, we use 'selling out' here as a term for players (new and tempted old multis alike) who create a NUB just for the sole purpose of playing for the 4 months of bonus time and cashing in at the end.
As for "is this a problem?", I suppose (the multi temptation aside) that depends on how you view CB *should* be played.
And has this happened? Yes, multple times I can remember, but it's all annecdotal. I've kept no records of such.
March 8 2008 7:20 PM EST
wow, this nosebleed guy is an idiot. That is all.
March 14 2008 2:38 AM EDT
I'm selling out tomorrow.
March 14 2008 2:48 AM EDT
lol jenni, you don't have ANYthing to sell hahaha
March 14 2008 3:06 AM EDT
My $2,590,929 begs to differ!
March 14 2008 3:15 AM EDT
i realised soon after starting to work at a part time job that the amount you earn from CB is very little compared to actual working...
part time... 8/hr = 8x8 64 for 8hrs...
within that 8hrs i get what ? 1.3rounds of BA regen... which is approximately 200k(not sure) lets make it 500k for the sake of arguement... and you sell it for 2.5USD lol converted to my currency thats like 4 SGD for like 8hrs of work?
as many people have said... its the NUBs that screw up the caculations... moral of story... beg jon to double NUB time and half rewards... and reduce the money rewards... atm they have TOO much money to compete with normal players
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