The Death of the Tattoo (in General)
April 26 2008 7:45 AM EDT
LA taking the top spot was a feat of incredibly dedication and effort. It was almost a community effort, people giving advice, loanin gear and money, double tapping him to increase his exp.
But however he did it, he's now put an interesting twist on this game. And that is he killed the tattoo.
Him managing to take the top spot required -everything- that could possibly be done. But how can another repeat that? If the top player is using RoE, for a NCB or NUB to go anywhere, they basically HAVE to use an RoE. And that's just to neutralize LA's. If you want to play this game competitively, the tattoo is no longer an option. MPR can and always has been able to outstrip another player's tattoo.
I'm sure the amount of MPR needed for LA to be unbeatable is quite high, but at the same time, he alone has the tools to do it. He will continue to outgrow the players around him.
Now, for casual player, the tattoo is still a viable and much more fun option. But to compete, it's the RoE or you're doomed to fail before you even start.
Is this what the RoE was meant to do? I mean, it did allow players to grow their characters faster.... But is it so necessary that a tattoo because something only by used by those who can't make the curve...
Is it fair to players with their gigantic tattoos, that they've spent -years- levelling, that suddenly they can't even hope to compete?
Perhaps I'm being a bit dramatic. But I don't think so. Any exp advantage over another is quite significant.
On a different note, could not we say that LA has effectively destroyed the N*B? Now that using the RoE only allows player to stay even, it has made the nearly impossible task all the more difficult (and unprofitable if you were planning on levelling your tattoo).
I don't know. These are just some wandering thoughts. Death of the tattoo is a bit extreme, but... Doesn't make it not true.
P.S. LA, this isn't putting what you've down at all. Really. You merely play the game. I'm just commenting on the situation the game has been put in because of your success.
I wrote the exact same thing here
April 26 2008 8:11 AM EDT
Thought I'd bring it back up with my own thoughts on it ^.^ Though I didn't mean to repeat what you said. Though I did add a bit to what you wrote.
I was not offended, just wanted everyone to know what had already been written and debated on the subject.
I don't think that's quite right.
I'm sure the 4 month bonus calculation takes the increased growth due to constant RoE use into consideration.
So any new player starting now can get to 95% of the predicted total in 4 months, without using a RoE themselves.
April 26 2008 8:43 AM EDT
Now, hmm, that probably is true. But that only applies to the last part, and not tattoo usage among those without a bonus.
it really hasn't been possible to have a non bonus character who wasn't in the top ten to ever catch up in cb2. all you can hope to do is stay even or fall slowly behind. i have been saying this for a while, but people don't seem to listen.
with the hidden challenge bonus that 6/20 users still get, unless you can fight the same people and at the same win ratio as the top five, then you will get less xp. throw in a roe and that definitely skews things more, but then the top spot is fight lower than he could and i am not sure how much more it skews things, probably not the full 20% but somewhere closer to say 10 to 12 percent.
jon has given people a way to catch up that is much more possible than it was in cb1. many in the community have been proponents of a rolling bonus, but jon is against it. i am really just glad there is a way at all. if you do not get in the top five to ten though and cannot beat the same people they beat, then you can either try again or content yourself with other goals and hope ya can stay in the 6/20 while you accomplish them.
April 26 2008 11:35 AM EDT
GL - are you sure about that? I know the N*B is calculated based on the top MPR, but I doubt it checks to see if they're equipping a RoE.
I'm also fairly certain it wouldn't be monitoring the growth curve and basing N*B growth off of that, as this would make anyone passing the upper MPR mark -during- their N*B increase all N*Bs by a factor equivalent to their own bonus...
So nah, I'm not seeing how it could take that into account.
April 26 2008 12:19 PM EDT
the "top spot" is further out of reach, yes... But the game, the tattoo, and all else are still cheaper than they were before... Say it, ya know ya wanna: "Large tattoos are rediculously expensive, and the NCB costs like 100 mil to run... Define cheaper, mister TheCrazyman!" to that, I say:
6/20 is obtanable for FREE, tats can be powerleveled via that NCB (the one that gets you to 6/20...). I'm missing too much BA and using too poor a strat to prove this with my own NCB as it is, but I got numbers... And numbers always treat me kindly.
The N*B is designed to give players the chance to obtain 95% of the MPR of the top player... Even if he has a RoE on, the N*B is calculated by his MPR,and over the course of four months, he will likely only go up by 10% of his MPR. So now, you can only acchieve 85.5% without the RoE... Oh noes!!! NCB is expensive to only get to 85.5%. With the recent change to bought BA, refreshed BA now represents 75% of potential BA to use.
Lets do some math here: For FREE, you can spend 75% of your BA. If you spent 100%, you could reach 88.5% without a RoE... So 88.5 *.75 = 66.125%. 66.25 PERCENT! 6/20, right there. Say it: "But that isn't likely to take number one!" Of course you can't take number one for free... But competing is definitely an option here considering all those who've spent the past 6 months or more scraping away, trying to get to the 6/20 mark...
But there's MORE! If you start a NCB with absolutely nothing but a HoC (just cuz by now, everyone should have one or two or thirty of those :P), a small tat, and a dream, you can afford to purchase a day's worth of BA during every XP time. This is where you can create your margin of error when aiming for 6/20.
As far as the gigantic tattoo people being totally cut out and wronged, I have to ask... Little anthony has the top MPR, backed by a great strategy, built without any restrictions on money... Why is he not number one in score?
Just remember, a wise man once said:
Many things are often regarded as "impossible", while many people are out proving "them" wrong*.
*I know of no wise man who has said this, but I'm sure a wise man somewhere sometime MUST have said it, no? :P
Many things are often regarded as "impossible", while many people are out proving "them" wrong.
There, a wise man has said it.
April 26 2008 12:32 PM EDT
Damn, I missed it again! Slayer's a man too?
WHERE HAS ALL THE WOMENS GONE
I must alert Gun to this new evidence
Should have changed your name to Chickenwolf... the sky is not falling.
I don't even have to use myself as an example, a NUB very close to my heart works fine.Carprofen
is beating FTW at this point. Why? A Tattoo...
The MPR divide is not small, and the RoE bonus won't let him run away fast enough.
"GL - are you sure about that? I know the N*B is calculated based on the top MPR, but I doubt it checks to see if they're equipping a RoE."
So it calculates the bonus on your total gain and predicted gain, which includes Ro use as it can't differentiate. ;)
April 26 2008 5:46 PM EDT
Are you sure though? 'Cuz like I said, with prediction of potential gain, wouldn't that put any NUB who hires and goes over the #1 MPR as the top spot it finds "potential gain" for?
Any NU/CBs created on that day would have a MASSIVE bonus due to predicted gain.
I assume the system looks at the progression to the Top character as a whole, and 'predicts' where it will be in four months time.
This wouldn't include 'burst' jumps, like purchasing a new Minion.
But as the RoE gain was part of the characters progress (it looks like normal, just better), how could the prediction take it into account and dumb down the growth?
April 26 2008 7:36 PM EDT
"I assume the system looks at the progression to the Top character as a whole, and 'predicts' where it will be in four months time.
This wouldn't include 'burst' jumps, like purchasing a new Minion. "
But I'm saying - using that burst jump - the N*Ber gets past 100%, say, 2 days before his bonus expires.
If it predicts - even based on the past growth chart, based on whatever else - based on past growth then would it not take N*B into account?
And therefore, building on this, would not a N*B created on this day have a N*B that takes into account the top character growing at a N*B rate?
That's what I was trying to point out :P
N*B doesn't take into account the bonus of RoE or another N*B bonus. I compared my bonus with other people who made their N*B while Ranger still had the highest mpr. There is a difference but its not big enough to be taking the RoE into account, just the difference already made by the mpr difference.
April 26 2008 7:49 PM EDT
I'm not sure I understand, Nem, your bonus was from Nov. 2007...
"But as the RoE gain"
i thought roe gain was for male pattern baldness! : P
The bonus on my new ncb, not my original nub.
I think it's worth noticing that LA hired late in the game, in such a way that it only could have been funded by USD.
Should this be noted when seeing how possible 6 BA is for an NCB?
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