Back catalog of supporter items available (in Changelog)


AdminJonathan June 17 2008 5:44 PM EDT

After a lot of thought, I decided that the best fix to the supporter item rarity problem is to make old supporter items available for $11 USD.

(I freely admit that "makes Jonathan money" is one of the criteria involved in that "best" there. But not the only one. :)

So, just mouse over to Businesses and check out "Special items." Suggestions for a better name are welcome.

Details:

- there is no limit to how many you can get this way, although you might get tired typing your paypal password since you can only buy one at a time. (if this is a serious problem, it's possible to change this.)
- the "current" supporter item will still be available for $6, one per user at that price
- don't worry, this is not "items part 2"

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 17 2008 5:46 PM EDT

holy crap...

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 5:46 PM EDT

Oh, as part of revamping my paypal code, you can buy supportership for someone else directly from CB, you don't have to manually send me money anymore.

Buying the current supporter item for someone must still be done manually, although I am working on that.

And supportership now costs $11. Item namings are still $10.

Godpanda June 17 2008 5:46 PM EDT

YAY! GO JON! HELL YES!


Eat that you item hoarders!!! EAT IT HARD.

That is all =)

Cube June 17 2008 5:51 PM EDT

Wow I bet noone say this coming...

Brakke Bres [Ow man] June 17 2008 5:51 PM EDT

this will be bad for the current prices, but who cares? Gimme those TSA, mgs, and AoF's :)

King June 17 2008 5:53 PM EDT

this is great since it can help fix supporter item prices to around 2.5m each.

Usul [CHOAM] June 17 2008 5:54 PM EDT

nicest change ever !

FailBoat[SG] June 17 2008 5:55 PM EDT

Jon... I love you.

And you're about to become a very rich man. Well, rich enough to be able to boost the game even more. ^.^

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 17 2008 5:56 PM EDT

very nice jon, thanks!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 17 2008 5:58 PM EDT

It says Credit Card... no more paypal?

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 6:00 PM EDT

it's still paypal, but they've recently made changes to make it much easier to pay with CC w/o needing an actual paypal account

so i changed the wording to emphasize that for newbies who might be scared by paypal

three4thsforsaken June 17 2008 6:03 PM EDT

can we now reink to Jiggy? Then the abundance of supporter items will be complete.

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 6:05 PM EDT

No, but you can buy it. *smile*

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 6:06 PM EDT

inking to JKF enabled

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 6:08 PM EDT

Wow, cool!

Brakke Bres [Ow man] June 17 2008 6:09 PM EDT

the JFK is going to overpowered!

Little Anthony June 17 2008 6:09 PM EDT

is this only for limited time? or a new "feature"?

Lord Bob June 17 2008 6:11 PM EDT

"I freely admit that "makes Jonathan money" is one of the criteria involved in that "best" there."

Agreed! This was a great idea all around.

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 6:16 PM EDT

This is a permanent feature.

Of course like all features that is subject to change if it causes more problems than it solves.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 17 2008 6:48 PM EDT

Readily available Mage Shields?

Screw college. I'm getting a job and buying myself some supporter items!

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] June 17 2008 6:53 PM EDT

Jon, I have one question. Will this cover new supporter items as well? Or will those only be available to supporters?

And since the answer the my question seems obvious, when will new supporter items be considered, "old"?

QBJohnnywas June 17 2008 6:53 PM EDT

Oh and thanks for making them cheaper to upgrade than the normal supporter items. That's a really nice touch!




Joke.... ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 17 2008 6:54 PM EDT

"Jon, I have one question. Will this cover new supporter items as well? Or will those only be available to supporters?

And since the answer the my question seems obvious, when will new supporter items be considered, "old"?"

After you've bought your one alloted current Supporter item for $6. ;)

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] June 17 2008 6:56 PM EDT

GL: So then, if someone wants you to buy them the new supporter item, as did happen in the past...you'd be charged the $10 instead of the $6?

QBRanger June 17 2008 6:56 PM EDT

Well,

No all bonuses one had from playing CB from the beginning is gone.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 17 2008 6:59 PM EDT

No. You'd still get it fo $6, if they still have thier current new item slot open.

Bull3t F4c3 June 17 2008 7:03 PM EDT

wow this sucks...just recently got another AoF for 14 mil

(0.0) June 17 2008 7:03 PM EDT

is this going to be available forever?

(0.0) June 17 2008 7:06 PM EDT

oh never mind

ResistanZ June 17 2008 7:14 PM EDT

Why is the JF in the special shop if we can ink to it? That doesn't make sense. Newer people are more likely to spend the $11 thinking it couldn't be inked. To get a base JF it would still be tons cheaper to buy a regular normal tat then ink it.

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 7:15 PM EDT

because realistically allowing base JKFs in the shop doesn't do much to allow more people to try them in their strategies

ResistanZ June 17 2008 7:19 PM EDT

Um, exactly. So that's why they should get taken out of the shop?

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 7:25 PM EDT

no, that's why they should be inkable, which is not the same thing

Tyriel [123456789] June 17 2008 7:25 PM EDT

Hmm...

For some reason, my gut tells me that this is a bad idea.

Can't wait to see all the PL walls that will spring up, Evasion walls beefed even more (I'm sure Ranger will be happy that the AoF will be a lot more common and cheaper now. :D), and all the teams that will have 3 mage walls to completely nerf magic damage (Sut's going to be happy about this! :D).

TheHatchetman June 17 2008 7:25 PM EDT

ROFL!!!! Had a feeling i should have sold my TSA, but meh...

ResistanZ June 17 2008 7:27 PM EDT

Jon, I think you may have missed the point of my most. I said they should be removed from the shop because newer players might get the wrong idea and buy from the shop when it would obviously be A LOT cheaper to reink.

ResistanZ June 17 2008 7:28 PM EDT

<Tyriel> He's saying that there's no reason to have them in the store, because it's cheaper to re-ink to them.

INDColtsFan18 June 17 2008 7:37 PM EDT

Possible Bug: When clicking 'Buy Item' on a RoE, its takes me to the correct page, but then I clicked "home' from there and instead of opening in the frame, it opened a new window, easy fix.

INDColtsFan18 June 17 2008 7:40 PM EDT

must have been me, after a computer restart it works now. sorry

[P]Mitt June 17 2008 7:48 PM EDT

In my opinion, I don't think mage teams are viable any longer. With the MgS so available to anyone that has $11 (or $CB2 equivalent), they will overpower mages slowly.

Windwalker June 17 2008 7:49 PM EDT

Jon says-don't worry, this is not "items part 2". I can't wait to see that list ;) Anyone feel the ground shake? hehe

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 7:50 PM EDT

Mitt, I think (at least theoretically) we ned to trust Encumbrance to make sure that isn't true... Anyway, higher up everyone who wants already has an MgS. Finally, it is not the kind of thing a team can really use multiples of...they can, it just isn't that likely considering the penalties.

I am far more worried about the TSA/PL connection, personally, as damage reduction (especially the HP-regenerating part of it) give me a lot more fits.

ResistanZ June 17 2008 7:51 PM EDT

Tank blender or bust.

INDColtsFan18 June 17 2008 7:52 PM EDT

Us mages need a counter to the now unlimted supply of Mage Shields!

QBJohnnywas June 17 2008 7:52 PM EDT

"Finally, it is not the kind of thing a team can really use multiples of...they can, it just isn't that likely considering the penalties. "

Ahem.

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 7:58 PM EDT

JW, don't have time for research. Who and how?

iBananco [Blue Army] June 17 2008 8:04 PM EDT

Himself.

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 8:04 PM EDT

Ranger, first, *are gone. Conjugation is fun.

Next, your response, while I respect and understand, is disappointing. Are there supposed to be rewards for being here longer (beyond what we already get: knowledge, experience, community bonds...)? I am genuinely asking. No sarcasm. I don't want to be judged on this. I am actively being proactive and trying to figure out where you are coming from.

It worries me too. But I have never let rarity be an issue (never depended on it, anyway). I'll admit that I think an abundance of TSAs sort of sucks (everyone's PL just got _that_ much better), we'll see how it works out. I'd rather everyone have one other than a few souls getting one by paying 10-12 million or winning a contest.

Finally, I think you might be forgetting the biggest longevity boon -- attrition. Hell, I've been waiting for that for a looooooooooong time. *smile*

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 8:06 PM EDT

OK, he has 2... He would still be better off following dudemus's lead if he wants to really be a mage-buster. Hawk of May doesn't worry me.

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 8:10 PM EDT

Granted, Hawk of May shows what damage reduction can do. He hits me for virtually no AMF, and yet it takes me 6 rounds to grind him down (that's with his AS fizzled...)

He lasts one more round, he's probably got a draw. Two more, probably a win.

Thank goodness he only has a week of NCB left. *wink* Otherwise he'd own me at a slightly higher PR (even still far less than mine he'd take me... as I've said before, ranged DD is dead).

three4thsforsaken June 17 2008 8:15 PM EDT

yes! It's raining Jiggys and MgS! Though somehow...I'm not really worried.

tasuki [UFC] June 17 2008 8:20 PM EDT

WOW. JUST WOW...

Makes me wonder if items part 2 will include an item that can nullify magical item effects... to counter this onslaught of available "over-powering" items.

Such as an amulet that would nullify a percentage of the magic bonus of both friendly/enemy items.

QBRanger June 17 2008 8:27 PM EDT

Hell,
Every evasion minion now has an AOF superduperbooster.

Colonel Custard June 17 2008 8:35 PM EDT

This is ridiculous. It blows my mind. Wow.

Talion June 17 2008 9:08 PM EDT

I absolutely hate this change. Might actually make me quit the game.

Yukk June 17 2008 9:09 PM EDT

Ranger, you mean every familiar now has a super-AOF booster !

Now NWO is going to be able to beat me in 0 rounds !

8DEOTWP June 17 2008 9:12 PM EDT

only 11$?

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 9:13 PM EDT

Not me, Ranger. You ever been burned alive by AMF backlash? *smile* The Evasion is far from worth it for any large mage, at least ranged DD ones.

QBRanger June 17 2008 9:15 PM EDT

Well,

Almost every pure evasion minion.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 17 2008 9:16 PM EDT

How about change it so only one account can get the item sent directly to them once a year? This way, not too many will be reintro'd but people can still buy them for others? If not, i hate this change.

three4thsforsaken June 17 2008 9:21 PM EDT

it is kind of odd that supporter items will enter the market faster than the black market does

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 17 2008 9:26 PM EDT

Do we need a BM anymore?

Underage Drinking June 17 2008 9:27 PM EDT

yea there should be a limit per user(quarterly/annually?)...unlimited for as much as you can type your password into paypal is too much, but im willing to wait and see

lostling June 17 2008 9:30 PM EDT

pardon me jon :) but 11USD seems alittle too little... i think 20 USD should be more the price either way its nice to know i can get what i want when i want now :) unfortunately... now vets have even lesser going for them...

experience... supp... oh wait nvm... errm large char?... can so be bought... oooo yes.. the SHIRT! :) tatts? just wait till jon creates a money to tatt converter =x hehe its the end of the world :) or the beginning of a whole new one...

*whoot communists go~!*

im pretty passive about this change even if i have 2 tsa 2 MGS 5 hoc 5 AOF 1 AOI 1 ROE 1 VB 1 JKF :) *chuckles* USD rules :)

three4thsforsaken June 17 2008 9:49 PM EDT

well on the bright side, anyone can make it to the top! or was it everyone?

PotatoHead June 17 2008 9:49 PM EDT

I like this change. Gives those of us a chance to get things that are usually hoarded by those who have all the money in CB (even if they have every previously auctioned supporter item), and lets face it some strategies REALLY need some of those items to be effective. For the first time I am actually gonna invest my hard earned monies. ::sets himself on fire in glee::

j'bob June 17 2008 9:51 PM EDT

oh boy, i can't wait to see the massive shifting of balance that is about to occur. I can't wait to see how often the top spots change now. Numero uno will now be like the parking spot of the month.
or.... maybe not.
Great change IM very very HO.

Wizard'sFirstRule June 17 2008 9:52 PM EDT

I stand to lose about 8m on a mage shield. so its not too bad.

FailBoat[SG] June 17 2008 9:55 PM EDT

To be honest, I'm really confused with the major "issue" the "Top Players" are having here.

Sure, Jon is putting a price tag on the "Rare Items" and making them available to every player in the game. But what is the major issue with that? The items you so preciously held to yourselves to raise the prices on, or even used on your teams to get to your spots in the top 100, are now available to everyone who wants them.

Its not like this is seriously going to affect the gameplay of those of you who already have them. It just means you won't be able to make a little more CBD off of them. Is that really such a bad thing to pull prices down to a more affordable, for Non-NUB Players, reach?

And don't say anyone can get them because I would literally have to play this NCB and then three others just to get enough money to even put a down payment on the chance to get a VB or a TSA from anyone. And then have to pray its under my Enc.

Oh no! The playerbase is getting the chance to get their hands on BASE gear. Whatever shall the people who have been hoarding the things to jack their prices up do.

lostling June 17 2008 10:00 PM EDT

most of the supporter items are armor pieces... so they cant be upgraded much so wouldnt be much of a difference... either way i would truely suggest jon increase the prices to 20USD which is around 4-5mill each... which is pretty much a reasonable price for supporter items....

QBOddBird June 17 2008 10:38 PM EDT

Thanks Jon, but it really would've been much kinder to have just stuck a shotgun up my butt and pulled the trigger.

I mean, no offense to you, I understand you did this to make yourself some money. But I disapprove. Only because the change SUCKS, though. No other reason.

Weak.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 17 2008 10:44 PM EDT

New players don't NEEEEED these supporter items to be successful, hell you dont need ANY FRIGGIN item to be successful...

QBOddBird June 17 2008 10:47 PM EDT

Oh yeah, and if it wasn't itemblender before, it is now.

No more "normal items, expensive items, and the super-awesome ones you save for and wait for an opportunity to buy." Now it's 4 minions of TSA and MgS, HoCs and RoEs for all, AoI available to anyone.

And yes, I freely admit that "loses OddBird money" is one of the criteria involved in my extreme reaction. But not the only one. >:(

AdminNightStrike June 17 2008 10:53 PM EDT

Can the cost at least be doubled or tripled? $11 in game mechanics is VERY cheap....

Underage Drinking June 17 2008 10:54 PM EDT

this eliminated the hoarding of items which has been one peg in cb to ruin the game quality imo, this just means there is enough to go around.

QBOddBird June 17 2008 10:56 PM EDT

More than enough to go around! Wear your 4 TSAs with MgSs with PRIDE, man.

No more need for the common, rare, and ultra-rare item! Everyone can have the ultimate sword, the ultimate amulet, the ultimate whateverthehell they want!

It's like giving a room full of kids bags and bags of candy. They're going to eat it up, but I hope you're ready for the puke on the floor, Jon.

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 11:05 PM EDT

there will still be very rare items. just not supporter items.

which is as it should be imo.

Daz June 17 2008 11:14 PM EDT

"there will still be very rare items. just not supporter items.

which is as it should be imo. "

That's what I've said before. It seemed I was the only person who hadn't dubbed Supporter items as 'Rare', when they are clearly different.

AdminNightStrike June 17 2008 11:17 PM EDT

"there will still be very rare items."

On the contrary, no item is really "rare". Unless there's a future change, the item spawn rate is so incredibly high that no one ever has to spend a single CBD on non-rare equipment.

QBOddBird June 17 2008 11:24 PM EDT

aye, there are now no longer newbie, normal, rare, and uber-rare items - the categories shall become worthless and normal.

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 11:28 PM EDT

Silva, point one, why are "Top Players" in quotes? Are they some sort of ironic "Top Players"?

Name a bunch of top players complaining. I haven't. Am I "top"? I actually sota asked Ranger (in my terrible sutekhy way) what he felt he had lost as a long-term player (he didn't really answer).

I'm just curious to hear the clarification of your point.

(and OB's, for that matter...not sure I have seen that much vehemence from him in...well...ever).

DH June 17 2008 11:31 PM EDT

OB i think everyone understands and sees your frustration. maybe dwelling on it by continuing to post hate messages about it will make you feel better...but i feel that this will only lead to excitment in a negative manner for others. I propose that everytime you feel the need to lash out..you PM/CM me and ill do my best to make you feel better about your extreme hate for changemonth. Or! you can just shut up now. we get it.

p.s. I still <3 you more than all.

QBOddBird June 17 2008 11:34 PM EDT

I apologize for my extreme reaction.

My feeling that this is a game-killing change (I still feel like that) was agitated greatly by the coincidental situation I am in. Sorry I overreacted as I did.








I still hate this change.

lostling June 17 2008 11:36 PM EDT

however there are still a bunch of USELESS items around :) all you people know what i mean...

now there will be useless items, supporter items and rare items :)
useless items: 1-100k
supporter items:2.5mill
rare items: 3.5mill

QBsutekh137 June 17 2008 11:37 PM EDT

OB, I don't mind it at all, it's a public thread. You don't need to apologize to me. *smile*

Maybe some examples of what you think this will break? Specifically?

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] June 17 2008 11:42 PM EDT

Well guess I can stop saving up for that TSA, sweeet

Relic June 17 2008 11:43 PM EDT

I can understand the decision (at least in part), but I don't see how this makes anything more fun if those that spend their time and effort on the game for a long time will not have ANY benefit to their time and effort and longevity.

With the N*B you took away MPR longevity, with ENC you took away PR longevity, now you have taken away supporter item longevity and since no item is really rare anymore, what is the point of playing for extended periods of time?

Sorry Jonathan, but I seriously have to question this change. You are going to lose your serious player base if all your changes cater to only new players.

Daz June 17 2008 11:47 PM EDT

"Sorry Jonathan, but I seriously have to question this change. You are going to lose your serious player base if all your changes cater to only new players."

As opposed to never gaining any new players, as they all leave. Lose-lose for you.

lostling June 17 2008 11:49 PM EDT

could we have a recalculation of the NUB money bonus then? considering the amount supporter items cost now...

QBOddBird June 17 2008 11:50 PM EDT

I'll explain by pasting an excerpt from Chat.



<Pheasant_Plucker> Who doesn't want the best item in the game available for a low price
<Jonathan> ooh! i know! i know! the speculators don't want that :)
<Jonathan> do i get a cookie?
<Pheasant_Plucker> Dude, you seriously killed this game.
<Pheasant_Plucker> I mean really, if I wasn't in debt, I would be so out.
<Pheasant_Plucker> I loved the game for a long time, and I understand your motives, but it's just so....dumb.
<Jonathan> that's fine, but hardcore speculators like you are a minority. i don't design to make you happy. obviously :)
<Tyriel> Paying 14m for an AoF may be silly, but having every minion in the game equipped with one defeats the purpose of having them, no?
<novice> the challenge of getting items was a massive part of the fun
<Jonathan> i guess it defeats the purpose if you get off on having something someone else does not
<JahRoor> no.. that really supports its own existence, the purpose of having them is to be used.. might as well have everyone using them
<novice> the game is not as accesible as any game ever
<Pheasant_Plucker> Wow, that's great, except I had no items that someone else did not.
<JahRoor> in this fashion, the overpowered supporter items are on a faster road to nerfage
<Pheasant_Plucker> See, before I would save up and wait for a chance to buy a good item. I've owned every supporter item, sold it off, bought again
<Jonathan> but if the purpose is to make strategies available to everyone, not just those playing since forever, then you see why this is good for the game
<Pheasant_Plucker> Right, but some items are OBVIOUSLY far superior to others in their category
<Pheasant_Plucker> who the hell will use a MCM, EH, MC if they can have a TSA?
<Hakai> But Jon, what about mages? we don't stand a chance now :(
<Pheasant_Plucker> this actually limits choice, jon
<Jonathan> no, it doesn't.
<Pheasant_Plucker> how? Who's going to pick the worse of two options when both are almost equally available?
<Pheasant_Plucker> CBD buys USD, IND
<Jonathan> that just means i need to add more items. i'm working on that :)
<Pheasant_Plucker> plus price of items will fall dramatically
<Jonathan> price falling is sort of the idea here, yes
<Pheasant_Plucker> But what's so great about dropping the price so everything is equally available? Before we had something worth saving up for. Items became a GOAL, for me as well as for several other players
<NightStrike> what is your target ideal USD:CBD ratio?
<Pheasant_Plucker> and that entire goal is gone!
<Jonathan> i don't have a target usd:cbd ratio. mostly i wish usd would go away :)
<NightStrike> (Jon, that was directed at you)
<Hakai> But, will we get another cash sink? there's already an abundance of CBD floating around
<NightStrike> Jon - you understand why it can't, though... so the ratio is part of the game. Currently, you've mad eseveral very good game changes that have reduced the influence of CBD (and thus USD) and thus lowered the ratio
<NightStrike> right now, it's about 4:1
Ernest-Scribbler left the room.
<Pheasant_Plucker> Do you see what I mean, Jon? Those items were previously a goal of sorts
<Pheasant_Plucker> I have very few goals left.
<Jonathan> OB: i'm not really buying that -- you had very few goals left anyway if your goal was to get one of each supporter item :)
<NightStrike> But how far is *too* low?
<Jonathan> i think you just enjoyed the speculation part. which is fine, but you can't expect me to prioritize that.
<Pheasant_Plucker> Where's the enjoyment though? I can't compete without throwing away my character. I can't work towards a goal of attaining all the best and toughest items to get for my character.
<novice> Jon: I don't think anyone is speculating on CB anymore
<novice> and I'm not sure that's bad
<Pheasant_Plucker> Basically, my goal now is to...win more tournies? =\
<Jonathan> novice: exactly. i think. :)
<NightStrike> Jon - if your effort was to reduce USD influence in the game, making things available for purchase so easily via USD doesn't really do that
<Jonathan> NS: i'll settle for two steps forward, one step back
<Jonathan> reducing USD influence isn't the *only* goal
<Pheasant_Plucker> The items sale has nothing to do with this, actually. It only heightens my frustration.
<Jonathan> OB: well there you are then :)
<novice> OB: I know, you and I were talking about it before you bought the items
<Pheasant_Plucker> But Jon, my question - where is enjoyment to be found then? There is a detrimental staggering lack of competition in the upper ranks, broken only by new players and those willing to throw away all past progress
<Jonathan> OB: this might increase competition at the top. as you say, it would be difficult to reduce it :)
<NightStrike> actually, I think that items should ONLY spawn via the blackmarket
<NightStrike> currently, the BM is useless
<Pheasant_Plucker> This will potentially increase competition at the top as far as items and strategies go, yes, but unfortunately no matter what items they have, they will inevitably lose in time as they lose overall progress.


That's what little conversing we did, but as you can see I have multiple reasons for considering this a 'game-breaker' and my thoughts are not currently coherent enough to make a good post. Maybe I'll make a thread later and see some rational discussion of the topic.

Disclaimer: If what you had to say was irrelevant to what I considered the topic of this except, or you are stupid, you were left out of this Chat C&P. I claim no responsibility for whatever you did or did not say, but do claim the privilege of disregarding any opinion I disagree with or hate. ;'D

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 17 2008 11:53 PM EDT

FORGERS?!

Anyways, what is the price of current supporter items? If i wanted the newest item that's available, how much would i pay for it since i have supportership already? Still $6? Or is it $11 even for brand new ones?

N0seBLeeD June 17 2008 11:54 PM EDT

Lol. Just lol.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 17 2008 11:57 PM EDT

Is Lamu still doing that Economic report thingy? I wanna see how many new items came into the rotation after this week...

N0seBLeeD June 17 2008 11:58 PM EDT

He did one for last week, so I know he's still doing it.

QBOddBird June 17 2008 11:59 PM EDT

The problem still remains that everyone thinks Lammy is a dude.


Lammy is totally a CHICK!

and a hot one!

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 18 2008 12:00 AM EDT

I knew Lammy was a girl, was gonna correct Nose Bleed, but you beat me to it, haha.

BluBBen June 18 2008 12:01 AM EDT

I wonder why in earth I was happy when I got a TSA for 14mill a few months back.....

QBsutekh137 June 18 2008 12:03 AM EDT

<Jonathan> OB: i'm not really buying that -- you had very few goals left anyway if your goal was to get one of each supporter item :)

Couple things to say about that...

OB, was that really your goal? When you wake up tomorrow, you'll stand by that as a goal in the game? I gave away my AoIs (I had 2). Gave away my AoFs (I had 2). Gave away my TSAs (I had 2). I only keep what I need. That's MY part of the fun. Crazy? Well, no more crazy than your ideal, I don't think.

And can someone give some props to a guy who drops this bomb and then _sits_ _in_ _chat_ answering the heat? I have been called an unabashed Jonathan sycophant in the past...

And good deal. I'll cop to that any day, and I have no axe to grind in this. I bought an AoF, that's it. Because I had rented one for the past 8-9 weeks at 90K a shot. Sounds like a bash to the speculators/opportunists right there. And I'm fine with that.

If anyone is so attached to items, then go buy something _real_. A nice TV. A nice receiver. A nice laptop. Jonathan didn't put this game on Earth for someone to dominate via intangible goods.

"You weren't put on this earth to 'get it', Mr. Burton."

lostling June 18 2008 12:08 AM EDT

ah well ... at least im happy i havent bought a supporter item in ages... well i guess jon prefers supporter items to be "inferior" to rare items :) well thats fine with me... yes OB i feel your pain... but yea it makes sense if jon would rather useless items -> supporter items -> rare items... whether is a game breaker or not... dont really know... would really depends on what items is jon coming out with next...

i feel sorry for the vets though... not me of course... im pretty new... approx 1 year... slowly having every thing taken away... *shrug* lets see what this change brings us i guess

three4thsforsaken June 18 2008 12:17 AM EDT

I see what you mean. Lots of returning vets find themselves in a place where they have very little to work with. Seems like new players get all the candy.

QBOddBird June 18 2008 12:18 AM EDT

No, my goal with each strategy was to get the items I needed for it.


Wewt! I start a new damage reduction strategy (BLEH) and I now need to get good wall gears and a ToE. Just those will probably use up my capital, and then my next goal is to get a TSA and a MgS - which would augment my strategy HEAVILY. So I save and I save and I save and wait for one to come around. I eventually get them, I have my strategy like I want it and I get to see how it works, and at that point I usually went for a different one and sold all my items.


See, my goal wasn't to have one of each item or whatever - I was pointing out that I'd had them and sold them, I never held on to 'em. My goal was in the GETTING. I feel like one of the few valid "goals" - things you 'quest' for - were the uber-rare items. One of the few things you had to work towards, and the cooler they are, the tougher they are to get.

Unlike competition at the top, which I find to be rather stale. It's something along the lines of "Hit all your BA, and you won't lose ground." Want to be competitive? Throw away all your previous progress and spend 100m+.



It's not because I or anyone else "gets off" on having something someone else does not. Good grief, that's gotta be the silliest possible thing you could fantasize about. (maybe I'm thinking in the wrong terms.) But isn't it that struggle for attainment that brings about the enjoyment in games such as these? If everything is placed at your fingertips and you reach all your goals immediately, there is nothing left to strive for.

Hitting all your BA? effortless at 6/20. Getting every perfect item for your strategy? Now incredibly easy. And if your greatest reward for "sticking with it" is watching your progress decrease in comparison to everyone else, why in the world would you?

Jonathan, do you truly want this game to be all about throwaway teams? =\



Obviously, I consider the two issues to be tied together. This change for me - a realization of what I argued against, reintroduction of supporter items, on a grand scale - is to the everyone-uses-a-tsa-and-mgs argument as a change in which Jon declared all teams would be perma-retired after 6 months of play would be to the throwaway team argument.

Little Anthony June 18 2008 12:22 AM EDT

I would hate to see 2-3 Mgs on a team to stop my massive CoC :(






P.S:

Fat Mage's Cone of Cold hit King Jamool's familiar [6271321]

Daz June 18 2008 12:40 AM EDT

I wouldn't mind seeing a new rare introduced, BM only, none spawned when it was created, no trade-in option, but I'm not sure it'll happen...

Soxjr June 18 2008 12:58 AM EDT

I will just answer some of your stuff ob. First you might not buy one of every item to have them and you might be selling them and re-buying when you need it, but most people that were getting hold of TSA or Mageshields weren't selling. They were renting and it was getting very very expensive to rent and if you did start renting and then couldn't get one. You were done. Your whole strat and list you fought would be different. I have played for over a year and would love to have a mageshield or TSA for when I got a 2nd minion, but I make 1 mil a week and would probably never be able to get one, because I have to keep upgrading my bow to keep up with evasion. I just don't see how letting people get supporter items a bad thing.

I agree with Jon in that he never said supporter meant rare, and in reading about cb1 supporter items were just fun things that weren't needed, but here they are big parts of strats and not sure he ever intended for people to not have a shot at competing because they couldn't get an item.

[LittleRed]Calynne June 18 2008 1:00 AM EDT

"I would hate to see 2-3 Mgs on a team to stop my massive CoC :( "

OMG... I like that idea... maybe this is one of the many ways we can stop this game from being mageblender? ^_^

Personally I bought a TSA and Vorpal Blade... things I've been extremely interested in buying but never capable of buying because of inflated prices and lack of sellers...

I wouldn't abuse the service, but for me it's a big help.

Relic June 18 2008 1:00 AM EDT

Did I mention you just killed rentals as well?

QBOddBird June 18 2008 1:43 AM EDT

"I agree with Jon in that he never said supporter meant rare, and in reading about cb1 supporter items were just fun things that weren't needed, but here they are big parts of strats and not sure he ever intended for people to not have a shot at competing because they couldn't get an item."


I compete quite well without supporter items - my current team only uses a HoC, and I've considered switching for a HoE as it might work better for me.

Is everyone else simply such a dunce at strategery that they cannot figure a successful strat without supporter items? Or are all such claims mere exaggeration?

Shadowsparkle [Jago] June 18 2008 3:21 AM EDT

I don't comment a lot, but that change just dropped my jaws...

Why not change the Black Market the same way? Get all the items you need with just a few clicks. Why waste time to chase for a item...

Thats the worst change I have seen.

FailBoat[SG] June 18 2008 6:24 AM EDT

Sut:
Silva, point one, why are "Top Players" in quotes? Are they some sort of ironic "Top Players"?

Name a bunch of top players complaining. I haven't. Am I "top"? I actually sota asked Ranger (in my terrible sutekhy way) what he felt he had lost as a long-term player (he didn't really answer).

I threw them in quotes because I've noticed that its the Vets of this game complaining. All the people hoarded and made the prices go up, now can't do anything about it.

Ranger, Talion, LC, Lostling, SmallPaul. All big names, all acting like the world just ended because the rest of us have the ability to get items.

Ya know, I could see if they were offering counter-ideas. Like the 1 Per Account Per Quarter thing, whomever suggested that, was a great idea. Keeps the market available but still regulated. But all they're doing is running around, throwing their arms in the air, whining.

I know I'm going to make enemies with this post but lets be honest, when did someone like me, who has played CB for almost three years now, ever matter? My opinion? Worthless due to the fact that I'm what, not in the Top 200? Not hoarding items like I could of been? As an old, but unskilled, player, I'm exstatic to see these changes.

Also, from what I heard from Ranger in chat yesterday when he first saw this change, is that the ability for everyone to get these items is what killed the game in his eyes.

And yes you're one of the top players silly. Quit fishing for compliments. Why else do you think I voted to give you QB a while back.

Lostling:
Know what you mean? Heck, I hoard the "useless" items on Ravenkitten. I think I'm getting to the point where I could trade in six of them for atleast 200k.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] June 18 2008 6:28 AM EDT

i can't buy the MoD for 6 usd, the back order catalog says its 11 usd. Bug?

Or do we need to buy it the old fashion way by sending you 6 usd and saying our user name?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 18 2008 6:48 AM EDT

"that just means i need to add more items. i'm working on that :)"

While I'm one of the (it seems small portion!) of players that like this change (even while thinking this is a pre Facebook change. 5 Million new players and only 300 RoEs... Recipe for disaster! lol!), with things like VB and MoD readily available for everyone, and Kat's going for a songl (that NUBs can purchase after only a couple of fights), Jon, I'm asking again, what's the point of all the useless weapons?

Why do we still have Tulwars?

Does anyone really get a feeling of achivement now from working up from a Dagger/Whip through the ranks of Weapons?

Mikel June 18 2008 7:49 AM EDT

Wow, now not only can you start a NUB and pass up the vets, now you don't even have to work hard for the Rare Items. How fun.....

QBRanger June 18 2008 8:00 AM EDT

GL,

Do you really really believe that 5M Facebook people will play CB?

Most want a graphics game, I doubt more then 500 will be long term players.

And if the Black Market was the way to get more supporter items, a lot of the complaining (myself included) would be gone.

Dark Dreky June 18 2008 9:20 AM EDT

I think it's a good change. Now I don't have to fear 8 weeks of debt for a single supporter item. Plus it's a USD funnel! How can anyone complain?!

QBRanger June 18 2008 9:22 AM EDT

Well I do agree it is good for Jon to get some money to keep the game going.

For all the time he spends on it.

And for all those who still think he makes tons of money from CB-your crazy.

However, flooding the market with tons of great high end items may have future problems.

And the one large advantage older players had is now moot.

Good or bad? I do not know yet. Different, certainly.

Dark Dreky June 18 2008 10:28 AM EDT

Well as a non-top ten player, I like it.

I wouldn't say it "evens out the playing field" or anything because the top players will still be the top players. This change allows those less fortunate to grab a hold of previously untouchable items. It allows everyone the same fair opportunity to try any and all strategies (TSA/PL, AoF/Evasion, etc.). Forgive me if I am repeating others, I did not read through the 100+ previous posts.

I will agree that this will flood the market with GREAT high-end items and I cannot even imagine what this will do to market prices of every other item in the game, however I do think that the 16m AoF's and 10m TSA's and MgS were absolutely out of control and needed some sort of "deflation".

And as Ranger said, Jon gets some extra cash in his pockets. Nothing wrong with that. Hell, he should have made the supporter items cost $22 a piece. I know I sold my AoF for $55 a few months back!

/me anxiously awaits his supporter items.

QBsutekh137 June 18 2008 10:28 AM EDT

I don't think you're worthless, Silva. *smile* I wasn't really fishing for compliments, I guess I hadn't noticed the "complainers" as much as you. While it is true several are top players, some non-top folks are also exalting/lamenting the change.

I think this change has deep impact across the board, and we'll have to see how it plays out...

Tyriel [123456789] June 18 2008 11:20 AM EDT

I think most people would agree that paying upwards of 15m for one item is insane.

What most people disagree with is the method of re-introducing supporter items.

Please, Jon, consider implementing a limit, or using the Black Market, or something other than unlimited amounts of any item.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 18 2008 11:32 AM EDT

If we limit them now, what about folks that might have already bulk bought?

It's a bit like shutting the gate after the sheep have escaped! :P

(0.0) June 21 2008 12:38 PM EDT

So the RoE isn't inkable?

Colonel Custard June 21 2008 12:42 PM EDT

Haha Rune of Enlightenment level 3,478,298. Gives 3,478,298% bonus to experience gained during battle.
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