What is a VB good for exactly? (in General)


Cube August 29 2008 2:20 PM EDT

Regdar scratched My Wooden Leg with Jagged Popsicle Stick [30275]
Regdar scratched My Wooden Leg with Jagged Popsicle Stick [31980]
Regdar scratched My Wooden Leg with Jagged Popsicle Stick [34907]
Regdar grazed My Wooden Leg with Jagged Popsicle Stick [38089]

Nightstrike 's strength
Strength: 3,150,000
His VB: Jagged Popsicle Stick [67x4000] (+181)

My AC: 468
My ToE: A Tattoo of Endurance lvl 2,739,229

Brakke Bres [Ow man] August 29 2008 2:23 PM EDT

how big is that EC you're casting? if he is doing that with 20 STR that is impressive.

00 August 29 2008 2:23 PM EDT

/me cant wait till hatch sees this....

Tylan August 29 2008 2:26 PM EDT

Topsails cast Ethereal Chains on all enemy Minions (20)

looks like a base EC to me..........

Brakke Bres [Ow man] August 29 2008 2:28 PM EDT

Well if I look at NS's character you see that the main damage dealer is that UC tank not the Wall with the VB on it. Probably waited down by encumbrance

Cube August 29 2008 2:30 PM EDT

It is in fact less than base because of the Mage shield I use. It's not even enough to lower his wall's 80 dex to 0.

I also missed one more thing. Lidda cast Giant Strength on all friendly Minions (859465)

Tylan August 29 2008 2:38 PM EDT

looks like the problem to me is he's attacking a wooden leg with a wooden popsicle stick...


something metal would be much more effective :p

QBOddBird August 29 2008 3:43 PM EDT

That does look pretty weak, but:


For comparison, could you post some damages that other tanks are doing to you? With their non-vorpal weapons?

QBOddBird August 29 2008 3:43 PM EDT

Also, mins and maxes on damage would be good for a fair comparison.

Little Anthony August 29 2008 3:51 PM EDT

Regdar scratched Hardcore with Jagged Popsicle Stick [28622]


503 ac, 6mil + toe. all that for almost same damage. no ec

Cube August 29 2008 3:56 PM EDT

Failure fractured My Wooden Leg [219707]
Failure tapped My Wooden Leg [76511]
Failure tapped My Wooden Leg [108739]

Strength: 3,222,047
Bloodlust (I assume 1.0)
A Morgul-Hammer [84x4350] (+154) owned by Shadowsparkle (Failure)

Best/Worst in most recent fight v Failure:
Failure crunched My Wooden Leg [297900] (This was actually not the first hit, which Bloodlust would double it's bonus on)
Failure tapped My Wooden Leg [38909]

Best/Worst in most recent fight v NS
Regdar hacked My Wooden Leg with Jagged Popsicle Stick [71273]
Regdar grazed My Wooden Leg with Jagged Popsicle Stick [19368]

lel August 29 2008 3:57 PM EDT

Bloodlust can go only up to .75.

Cube August 29 2008 3:59 PM EDT

Tylan, it's got Jagged edges!

PearsonTritonRaveshaw August 29 2008 3:59 PM EDT

Just a note, bloodlust cannot be 1.0, the max is 0.75. Also, with this new spell out, the VB is rendered useless in comparison, if you couldn't already tell by the damages you're posting...

Cube August 29 2008 4:06 PM EDT

That's basically my point, either the VB needs to be made much more powerful or SG needs to be nerfed.

Here is without bloodlust, but much less strength.
Tank Killer
Strength: 2,548,106
A Morgul-Hammer [84x3800] (+106) owned by miteke (Tank Killer)

Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage
28 / 28 / 31,634
Best: Hammer tapped My Wooden Leg [50662]
Worst: Hammer tapped My Wooden Leg [20037]

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 29 2008 4:13 PM EDT

snickers-lge

Colonel Custard August 29 2008 4:21 PM EDT

My data:

Using: Unarmed Combat x4,980 +298
Melee Hits/Blows/Avg Damage: 40 / 40 / 129,501

I took me 8 rounds to kill My Wooden Leg, or a total of 36 hits. The remaining 4 melee blows in that battle went like this:

Freddy Benelli crushed Topsails [730934]
Freddy Benelli pulverized Topsails [604567]
Freddy Benelli pulverized Topsails [505698]
Freddy Benelli crushed Topsails [606618]

As you can see, that skews the average.
40*129,501 = 5,180,040 melee damage.

2,447,817 of that hit Topsails in the last round, so that leaves 2,732,223 that hit My Wooden Leg. Divided by 36 hits, my average damage vs. him is 75,895 for this battle.
High:[159504]
Low: [38681]

Second Battle:
Using: Unarmed Combat x3880 +232
Melee Hits/Blows/Avg Damage: 65 / 65 / 83,450

This time, it took 16 rounds to take out My Wooden Leg (61 hits), and 1 round (4 hits) for Topsails once again.
Total Melee Damage: 5,424,250
2,021,911 to Topsails
3,402,339 to Wooden Leg (/61)= 55,776 avg. dmg.
High: [132475]
Low: [27255]


I believe Hatch's plan is to get his VB to about 300 PTH with the bonus items, in which case it would more closely resemble the first data I presented. 4-5 hits per round vs. 3-4 hits per round halves the amount of time it takes to take this guy out (due to the PL battery). But yeah, the damage feels low.

TheHatchetman August 29 2008 4:22 PM EDT

I knew the VB was nerfed pretty heavily in the recent month, but I have faith that it will come back!!!! Muwahahaha! :P

Colonel Custard August 29 2008 4:23 PM EDT

ST for that was: 3,633,836

Sorry about that.

TheHatchetman August 29 2008 4:24 PM EDT

and 300 would be kinda rediculous... I'm keeping my goal at a modest 250 or so ^_^

Colonel Custard August 29 2008 4:29 PM EDT

Same stats as first battle again (x4980 +298)
High: Freddy Benelli tapped My Wooden Leg [168564]
Low: 31k

Is it just me, or does UC have a really huge damage spread when facing high AC?

Little Anthony August 29 2008 5:04 PM EDT

Freddy Benelli bruised Hardcore [44797]

against 503 ac and 6mil + TOE. I think you do great damage.

Wizard'sFirstRule August 29 2008 5:22 PM EDT

maybe your hit is on the border of the ToE threshold?

Colonel Custard August 29 2008 5:24 PM EDT

Good call, Raveshaw! That's probably exactly what it is.

LA: Thank you. What I meant, though, is that it seemed like a very large range in the particular battles I was referring to.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw August 29 2008 5:50 PM EDT

Just being honest... I feel like my VB is worthless now. I don't even have the damned thing equipped. It just sits in my inventory.

Little Anthony August 29 2008 5:52 PM EDT

Hardcore burns from the flames surrounding Roxanne (96861).

top RBF doesn't even match it. that's over 8mil tattoo.

Adminedyit August 29 2008 6:31 PM EDT

>maybe your hit is on the border of the ToE threshold?

i thought the VB Ignores 50% of effective AC and Endurance so how could it be at the threshold

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 29 2008 6:42 PM EDT

Cubic, does your OP also include the 10% reduction from PL, or was your PL minion dead by then?

Wasp [Demon Forging] August 29 2008 7:12 PM EDT

"That's basically my point, either the VB needs to be made much more powerful or SG needs to be nerfed. "

Thats a good one. Something has always got to be nerfed!

Colonel Custard August 29 2008 7:31 PM EDT

"i thought the VB Ignores 50% of effective AC and Endurance so how could it be at the threshold"

edy: he was talking to me, and I don't use a VB. My top and bottom hits were 168k and 31k damage. I thought it seemed like a really big range; I think that the 168k broke the cap, while the 31k hit was under (and therefore reduced a full 75% or whatever it is).

AdminNightStrike August 29 2008 7:34 PM EDT

I am not encumbered, and my final ST is 4,009,445

superior me August 29 2008 8:30 PM EDT

Ranged Hits / Shots / Avg Damage 13 / 13 / 112,851
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage 2 / 2 / 234,960

4.49m strength using an ELB x3225

my min was 39k my max was 299k (BIG RANGE)

and people say without evasion mage teams would be toast well cubic can manage to stop my ToA archer easily i cant even kill his pl minion never mind that wretched "my wooden leg" lol. i like your strat mate very clever with alot more thought in it than the dirty old evasion RoBF or SFBM with evasion nice job.

but a big Msk would have your sorted which is what freed's lending me later tonight so watch out =)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 29 2008 9:38 PM EDT

"with alot more thought in it than the dirty old evasion RoBF or SFBM with evasion nice job."

jon, see what you started. single-minion teams need lovin too!

SNK3R August 29 2008 9:40 PM EDT

WAR! What is it good for?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN'! Say it again!

I couldn't resist...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 29 2008 9:43 PM EDT

there's got to be a better way, yeah

superior me August 29 2008 10:18 PM EDT

my attack wasn't against single minions it is against specialized strats that mess around with the balance of the game, it is a lot easier to specialize against tanks than it is to against mages

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 29 2008 10:52 PM EDT

at least you know you were attacking, i was hoping that it wasn't unintentional.

as players we really can't "mess with the balance of the game" we all work with what we are given within the constraint of the rules as jon sets forth until such time as he sees fit to change it. so if you want to attack someone for balance issues, perhaps your target should be jon as he is the only one who can change things, if you are so gutsy that is.

superior me August 30 2008 12:24 AM EDT

im not having a go at jon, im saying people who run strats designed entirely to kill another setup is messing with the score/challenge bonus system look at "the force" for example he can beat me im 2x his mpr yet any mage with 200k mpr could kill him easily. do you see what i mean by people messing with the balance.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 30 2008 8:23 AM EDT

sure, and since jon makes cb use a rock, paper, scissors balance method with counters for each strategy, this is an inherent part of this game. in effect rock is the counter to scissors, if someone specializes as rock only, then that team should be able to win against a team that is more balanced and thus a higher level scissor/paper combo.

we all make trade offs in our strats to win against certain opponents and specialization has its own rewards as well as limitations. again though, if you do not like the way the game is designed, shouldn't you take it up with jon rather than players?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 30 2008 9:36 AM EDT

i apologize for going off on ya sup! i was just hoping to make you realize that just as it is pointless at this time to attack jon as he's already stated he has changes planned for evasion come change month it is also pointless to attack players in forums for using counters available to them in the game against you.

usually when jon does give us a heads up on a coming change, as he did recently, he pretty much has everything worked out and all that is required is implementing it. all that we can really do now is wait and see how it all pans out.

now that i think about it, does change month start in two days?

Cube August 30 2008 12:30 PM EDT

GL, the reduction from PL isn't visible it occurs after the absorption. Like I notice when my PL battery is at 40k health or w/e from the regeneration, it'll absorb 44k the next round.

superiorme not enough people use mageseekers so it wasn't worth defending against them heh. My old strat I had an enchanter wear the ToE, and I had a Mithril Cuirass on my mage and that was enough to stop all but Sox's Msker, but the ToE won't defend against AMF then, which is a bigger problem for me.

Ya, it is kind of weird that people get rewarded for being completely specialized, so I sort of found a strat that's all around and can fight up.

"i thought the VB Ignores 50% of effective AC and Endurance so how could it be at the threshold"
His UC was on the threshold. But some of the problem with the VB it seems is that even if it slices through the AC it can't break half the ToE threshold because it's damage is so low. SG essentially ignores all AC unless you go extremely high.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 31 2008 5:08 AM EDT

Which is why I asked if the PL minion was alive or dead. ;)

Cube August 31 2008 5:57 AM EDT

Well it was still alive I think, but that doesn't change the displayed damage.
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