clan numbers (in General)

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:14 AM EST

And here is my problem. Now we had a discussion bout clans and i said a clan charcter limit of say 6 would be nice but people didn't want top characters grouping together and such well here's the situation currently. My knighthood manages to stay second top mainly due to our characters able to maintain highscore due to our large characters but look at the new clan on the block 'LONG BEACH DUB ALL-STARS'.

They have 10 characters and there a combination of ncbs and nubs so were talking fast growing plus free ba for some and whammo u have clan that if they continue to all play will never be beaten except by another clan made up of ncb, nub and low mpr characters.

I would like to know how this is any fairer than 6 top players grouping together. I say we need a character limit not a mpr limit cause at least all guilds can aspire to have characters that are high score makers but not all clans can aspire to have 10 characters contributing.

Rawr December 5 2008 12:17 AM EST

Ehh I predict that "DAS" franchise will die down. A majority of the people in that clan fight at negative challenge bonuses just to get the CP. Sacrificing a 100% CB for a 15% bonus is... well... not what I would want from a clan.

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:20 AM EST

that may be the case but the point i'm trying to make say in 6 months when there all still here with large as charcters in the 6/20 range and they don't need to worry bout negative challenge bonus who will beable to compete against 10 scoring characters i just think a clan character limit is more fair than mpr restrictions

Rawr December 5 2008 12:23 AM EST

But AA - those characters will NOT hit the 6 BA regen because of the constant fighting at negative challenge bonuses.

DoS December 5 2008 12:25 AM EST

Agreed. It is ridiculous to have a 10 character clan.

Phaete December 5 2008 12:27 AM EST

No one stops you from doing the same.
Make an NCB and go for it.

This makes it fair, as you can do the same.

Soul Eater December 5 2008 12:35 AM EST

I'm in the clan your talking about and we get farmed like crazy and I can only play when I get home from work. So I don't have alot of time what I do, do is store my BA so I can fight when I get home. So why don't you cry some more. It's not like you can't do the same thing if you wanted to.

kevlar December 5 2008 12:35 AM EST

rofl props to you Dinh... you called it. *goes to find the cheese*

It's funny how nothing was said about Long Beach for 2 months, but now that they are number 1 all of a sudden it's being nit picked and being called ridiculous. That is hilarious.

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:36 AM EST

Say what that last comment is ridiculous me and novice have down our ncb already and got our characters to where we want why would we want to go through all that again to make no ground the fact is the system should be fair for all not just a few and the way it is it favours only new characters and doesn't allow for developed players.

P.S. and if u disagree with me i'll pummel your dude into the ground with my big honking asteroid sling :)

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:39 AM EST

of course kevlar they knocked my clan off our perch and i need something to complain about and why not me God of Death and king of the tanks needs something to pass the eternal ticking of the clock :)

Oh and u can get 2k points by hitting people in the cb 100% range u just won't get the 4k scores cause your list won't be dedicated to other clan fighters

Phaete December 5 2008 12:40 AM EST

sarcasm mode on
Well yeah, the extra income you get, and the non existence of hordes of people beating you.
You're right, that makes no difference at all

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:43 AM EST

what extra income i spend all mine on ba i'm lucky to get 50k a day all my money is from weapon disenchanting and gear sell offs. And no I haven't bought any with us since i ranger sold off which was a number of months ago now my money is growing as my loan to solare is paid back.

Windwalker December 5 2008 12:45 AM EST

Sure enough I mentioned this in another post about clans. No way to compete with free BA. I know I continuously look for beginners who want to play everyday just to help "pad" the bonus. How else can you keep up with something like that.Some change here might not be bad.

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:45 AM EST

Oh real funny LONG ISLAND DUB ALL-STARS has to have 12 character don't they well congrats on beating LONG BEACH DUB ALL-STARS by 2...

bartjan December 5 2008 12:45 AM EST

As their PR increases, their Clan Score will drop way below their Raw Score. This will limit a 10 character clan's usefulness.

The optimal clan consists of just the top 4 players.

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 12:48 AM EST

what is the formula for working out the penalty to score caused by exceeding clan mpr? Top 4 charcters u say ... interesting... Optimal u say... ;)

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] December 5 2008 12:51 AM EST

AA the reason long beach is on top, isnt because there all small growing ncb/nub's. Its because of the alliace. There are 4 DAS clans plus one econ clan. Add that up, in case you didnt know they dont attack each other, well they have to attack someone? right? So thats like more concentrated attacks going against other clans. It all adds up, as you can aubviously tell there number 1. Now,trust me the current set up is way better. Look at it this way, when a new player joins DAS and they are number 1 just imagine how that new player feels? Aubviously he feels good and he's going to stick around. Its more incentive for new players to stick around, they realize they can be number 1.

DoS December 5 2008 12:52 AM EST

^Haha, sorry that made me giggle.

kevlar December 5 2008 12:52 AM EST

well then that takes a lot away from the clan competition doesn't it? If all you would have to do is have the top 4 players (active) and you automatically secure the top spot? Now that is stupid, or ridiculous... or whatever words are being used in this thread for this discussion.

bartjan December 5 2008 12:53 AM EST

I don't know the exact formula, but it compares the current clan PR to the max PR a clan can have (using the same formula as when you add a new member). If the clan isn't maxed out, it gets a bonus of up to 10% (so Score can be up to 1.1 as large as raw score). If the clan is full, the clan Score gets a penalty (and no, that one isn't capped at 10% ...).

Windwalker December 5 2008 12:54 AM EST

AA is just impatient! He wants them to be BIG enough now.So he can crack their heads ;)

DoS December 5 2008 12:54 AM EST

Kevlar, I believe what was said is that the top 4 players is the cap before they get penalized by the PR limit dealio.

kevlar December 5 2008 12:56 AM EST

Well getting that technical is still way over my head. But I don't understand why you are sorry for giggling at Casp's comment. I think it's neat-o that new players can gang together and compete for ranking vs. the ancient untouchables. Makes the game have some spirit if you ask me.

DoS December 5 2008 12:59 AM EST

The sorry was more directed at a weak post.

kevlar December 5 2008 1:02 AM EST

*looks up criteria of what defines a weak post*

... hmmm interesting. A picture of Big Bird riding a unicycle. weeee

Rawr December 5 2008 1:03 AM EST

Casper - they can't be number one if they're hitting stupidly low characters at negative 100% challenge bonus. It's a facade of superiority, really.

DoS December 5 2008 1:04 AM EST

GRRR, let me elaborate what I mean. The sorry wasn't for his post but for mine. I could have read it either way, but it isn't about me.. it is about you :o THE READER! meow

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] December 5 2008 1:06 AM EST

Rawr not everyone is fighting like that, 2-3 people in all of DAS maybe.
Your just pissed Long beach is farming your clan the most. Which i would be too. =).

Rawr December 5 2008 1:07 AM EST

I'm not pissed at all.
Infact, I'm excited when all the DAS characters get high enough score so that you all will be ripped apart :).

But that probably won't happen since they won't get very high.

Don't mess :)

Fatil1ty December 5 2008 1:10 AM EST

now that was an awesome post. And to be honest I completely agree with what Casper/Plagues said... Allowing new players to join a competitive clan and to offer help and strat advice is what DAS is all about. Now I am definetely not the greatest promoter of DAS...there was a time not so long ago when any of my 100%CB clan members would leave and join a DAS just so I wouldn't fight them.


Got VERY frustrating but i'm over that now as I have moved past the vast majority of DAS members. The thing I really enjoy is the core group of NCB or dedicated DAS members. It's nice to grow a clan from the ground up rather than join a fully developed one.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] December 5 2008 1:10 AM EST

Go back to your sandbox newb.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:10 AM EST

rawr three from my clan is farmin just you i think thats funny not to mention all the other DAS clans haha

Fatil1ty December 5 2008 1:11 AM EST

ahahaha to Rawr just you wait till i'm farming you!

Rawr December 5 2008 1:12 AM EST

I'd like to see it :)

Fatil1ty December 5 2008 1:12 AM EST

ya you're right it'll be quite a while till i am there but don't worry i'll be sure to let you know when it happens

{cb2}Dinh December 5 2008 1:14 AM EST

Thanks to those of you defending DAS...and Kevlar, yesterday marked LBDAS' 1st month of existence, number one for that 1st month as well...

Anyway, clan PR is clan is open to any and all who want to start a clan and have 10 members IF THEY WANT why is it ridiculous? Taking an idea and actually going with it? Why should DAS be penalized for that?

plus DoS, you were DAS at one point, and Rawr, you even applied for LONG BEACH at one didnt have anything to say about it then...

If you wanna talk about ridiculous, try being threating to have your battle cries changed (which i dont have any because you broke a, quote/unquote, unwritten rule, by kicking an op/admin out of a PRIVATE CHAT...hope I dont break any other rules that aren't written down anywhere to be found on this site...maybe like, say, starting a clan with NUB's and NCB's...

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:16 AM EST


Fatil1ty December 5 2008 1:18 AM EST

not bad Dinh not bad

DoS December 5 2008 1:18 AM EST

Back then it was supposed to be a close family. Now anyone can get in it seems.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 5 2008 1:19 AM EST

The mpr penalty will fix them quick like
never mind the fact that large alliances make for small fightlists...

None of that takes away from the fact it's quite the accomplishment.
Huzzah for the Mighty Ducks!

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:20 AM EST

DoS you knew from the get go

DAS is a CB take over clan wise
heck my clan name is Dynasty
you were warned and wanted in I might add

Soul Eater December 5 2008 1:20 AM EST

lol Dinh put them in their place. There just jealous that our clan actually works as a team.

Rawr December 5 2008 1:21 AM EST

Thats why he left?...

DoS December 5 2008 1:21 AM EST

Oh, that is strange Tal. When you recruited me your pitch was "It will be a tight family," or some such. And yes, you did say something about taking over bahaha.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:22 AM EST

No i made some mistakes i won't get into
thats why he left
i take full responsibility for that and he's welcome back at any point in time same as you rawr

Rawr December 5 2008 1:23 AM EST

I respect that Tal, not that I'm in a superior position, but I respect it :)

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] December 5 2008 1:23 AM EST

Dos its as close of a family as you want it, i suppose you wouldnt know that seeing how you bailed, I can honestly say tal, dinh, titan, supperman, Bane, jersey, They have all turned into some of my best friends here on cb. Which wouldnt of happened without DAS.

Like i said before, DAS chat most of the time has more going on than carnage.

(unless OB is in carnage, cant compete with that.).

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:24 AM EST

/me bootyshakes

{cb2}Dinh December 5 2008 1:24 AM EST

correction in my post, referencing the battle cries... mean to put a parenthesis in there...

* (which i dont have any, nor would i really care) quote/unquote....blah blabhl blah ;)

It is ridiculous though to be threatened like that by a 'Veteran' of the game...

oh and DoS, I had never spoken a word to you before you joined DAS, so where is the family in that? This DAS is about new players, ones who actually stay when they sign up because people help them out...not to mention the friend aspect of it...And the whole "now anyone can join it seems"...who is to say you can't make friends with NUB'S? i guess that is another unwritten rule for some of the veterans...


FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] December 5 2008 1:24 AM EST

I'd just like to remind DAS of something.

If your entire alliance, every single member, makes it to 2.5mil MPR, do you know who is going to give you a positive Challenge Bonus -AND- Clan Points?

Think really hard on that guys.

Got it yet?

Yeah, thats right, each other.

Have fun keeping it all in the family then.

And yes, I turned down Dinh's offer to join because I don't play competitively. Whodda thunk.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:26 AM EST

silva take a look at my clan
not alot competitive there
if you want in go for it

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] December 5 2008 1:27 AM EST

Yeah Right! DAS is the reason I'm holding an 11% Bonus pretty steady.

Optimus(Prime) December 5 2008 1:27 AM EST

im not in it for competition either were usually in 2nd or 3rd place but i do get as much clan point as possible i mean .2% more big deal im good with what we have

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:29 AM EST

so far we have kept more new people playing than any other reason
and now you wanna diss us? not cool we want CB hopping and its working

DoS December 5 2008 1:30 AM EST

What? Elaborate, please do.

I love new players, I help them out when I can in chat. :) No unwritten law there, or at least for me anyway.

{cb2}Dinh December 5 2008 1:31 AM EST

Too bad most of you all aren't like novice and Ernest Scribbler...they actually congratulated DAS for doing so well and didnt complain about it...kudos to them...What is the big deal anyway, most of the peeps who play this game are only here for themselves and to grow their own character, so what do they care who is number 1 clan? Don't fault me for adding another aspect to the game which made it more fun for myself and other DAS members...after all, it is just a game, and we're here to have fun first and foremost...atleast, that was DAS is doing...


AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] December 5 2008 1:31 AM EST

DoS i have one non nub in my clan
i have kept these guys playing ask around without our help some would have quit already

Optimus(Prime) December 5 2008 1:32 AM EST

all the DAS guys give me negative bonus points which i really dont mind unless i take my tattoo off but i don't like switching back and fourth

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 5 2008 1:39 AM EST

AA isn't complaining about DAS in specific. The clan system encourages new players to band together in larger groups, giving them an advantage that can often make up for the penalties of being inexperienced and small. This is a bit of a bummer for the old guard sometimes. DAS is just a great example of this tactic.

Cube December 5 2008 1:57 AM EST

I'm being farmed by someone 20 times my MPR in DAS on my second day NCB, and they should be getting about -50% challenge bonus. So no I don't think at least a lot of those characters will get to 6/20.

Besides if they can coordinate so well, and all stay that dedicated then I think they deserve to be the top clan.

three4thsforsaken December 5 2008 2:17 AM EST

Yeah, it's not going to last, the all stars sooner or later are going to run into problems with character growth and also will eventually be big enough for the big boys to farm them :D

Plus I'm doubtful the clan will be as big in say, a month or two....

Rizy December 5 2008 2:28 AM EST

imo, it's funny... if you really have to farm someone 20x below you, you're not going to grow much at all. sure, you might be number one - but honestly who cares.. when DAS was just starting, I said no.. because it was put it words like so "join a dynasty, be a part of something big!" to me, that's just WAAAAY to into something. i'd rather play and have fun than take it that seriously.. but you all are going against what AA's original post was, is a character limit. which in a way I agree should happen, or enforce as people grow so that one must leave or some kind of thing like that.

lostling December 5 2008 2:29 AM EST

put it this way... i wish you all the best... because

1st NUBs have a high quitting rate (absolutely true)

2ndly as more of your people enter the higher BA regens... you get lesser clan score per person (also true)

3rdly as you get higher you open yourself to more farming (also true)

4thly you DO lose out due to the way you play (clan first challenge bonus 2nd) HOWEVER it does allow you to be top...

5thly due to point 4 other N*B fighting at 100% efficiency will slowly pull ahead and turn back and farm you (definitely true)

6thly good job :) i like how new players stay

P.S. AA i dont see what your worried about...

Steve G December 5 2008 3:01 AM EST

you guys also have to realize DAS is at the point where they are forced to continue to grow (no matter how bad their challenge bonus is) and eventually if one or a couple want to leave, the space that was once there will be lessened till they eventually just create meaningless NCB chars or they are forced to go with a core ally and eventually end up like the rest of the normal clans

three4thsforsaken December 5 2008 3:39 AM EST

In other news:

Your PR is absolutely astonishing AA. 8 million? That's gotta be a record...

Guardian December 5 2008 6:03 AM EST

Ancient Anubis:
my opinion :

theree is no logic in what u say.

we are 10, but all small guys doing 1 k score at max u huge guys do 5 k score for clan.
its wont go fair if char limit coz easily the huge guys would dominate.
the way its is now we can at least have a balance coz ALL OF U HUGE kills us and make our oits down a lot so, 1 thing compensate other.

i think its pretty well point of view and not should be changed nothing.

and we are here to stay, no blender or knight or even the royalle old granpas gonna overcome us.



Rizy December 5 2008 6:13 AM EST

knight - I tried to understand what you just said and I really can't..
but what I did is 10 people getting 1k score? no. half of your guild is above 3k which is pretty much the average of most people. The people you see with 5k are never constant, as it's when buying BA overlaps. How is it fair that 4/10 of your people are on NUB and free BA and the rest are NCB? If you grew (which when you fight people like you do, you really won't) and you all started getting higher, you'd be double what any clan now has pretty much and that isn't fair at all.

Rizy December 5 2008 6:15 AM EST

Oh, and heres when the true bogus comes into play.. The people working hard to keep their clan score high could simply max out as much as they can, but because of how many people are in each clan it's not possible to take number one.

Ancient Anubis December 5 2008 6:16 AM EST

yeah its nice hey 10 mil pr, and tat here i come and 4mil mpr :)

Guardian December 5 2008 6:27 AM EST

4 of us do 3000 score or more normally

all others do 1000 usually.

and i never got free BA where the $@#$ i get it ??

u huge guys have all gear and weapon and $$$$ a lot to expend in battle allocation, u can not claim u cant compete with us.
we cant even revenge against farm!
see it this way.
we are getting a name now and all top guys hates us because we are beeing dominant.
so we are hell lot farmed and cant even counter attack.

things are not easy.

but the main point in das :
"Allowing new players to join a competitive clan and to offer help and strategic advice is what DAS is all about"

i am here playing just coz of it. I am old here, since 2005 i play but was 2 years away. To me would be very boring if blender knight or royale still unbeatable.

And them i join a clan where TAl(flowdog) takes attention on me and beome my menthor (yeah i used to have menthor) and casper also my master.
Superman and entreri also helping me with good deals . All of tha das family care about ya, i think i would not be playing if i was alone or in a clan we none cares about each other.

thats very good and i am forever gratefully for my buddies.

Its really nice to see also none lasts forever. I hope all my dudes kep on clan long time so we bore ya huge guys forever lol

Dudster4 December 5 2008 6:30 AM EST

what i want to know is why the spell checker isn't a grammar checker.

Guardian December 5 2008 6:33 AM EST

really boring cb1lover u sucks
i am not even in my mother language, PORTUGUESE. i am trying to write the best i can.

Guardian December 5 2008 6:43 AM EST

try u to understand portuguese or spanish? ah u are not able sorry, but i can understand ya language thats already amazing.

so dont talk [ADMIN EDIT].

back to the thread:
i cant even fight against only clan dudes because i am so small there there are not people below me i can fight and get max clan points while u huge guys ONLY fight against clans as u have lot of power. so i make 2 or 4 cps and u make 6 ??
very fair...

PearsonTritonRaveshaw December 5 2008 7:31 AM EST

"If you wanna talk about ridiculous, try being threating to have your battle cries changed (which i dont have any because you broke a, quote/unquote, unwritten rule, by kicking an op/admin out of a PRIVATE CHAT...hope I dont break any other rules that aren't written down anywhere to be found on this site...maybe like, say, starting a clan with NUB's and NCB's..."

I was on mumble with slayer and OB1 at that time and it was hilarious. Really, it was only a threat, and on top of that, a threat that had absolutely zero effect on your gameplay. But really, what do you hope to accomplish by repeatedly kicking OPs out of a private chat? You don't own the chatroom even if you make it. /end trolling

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 5 2008 7:32 AM EST

Umm... rather un-PG, Knightwarrior.

And on a side note, I think DAS is a good idea in the short run, in the long run, it's just a ticking time bomb.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw December 5 2008 7:39 AM EST

{CB1}lover, that was slightly uncalled for.

Knightwarrior, I know it may have offended you, but we still have rules we must follow, regardless of how other people treat us.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] December 5 2008 8:08 AM EST

Admin please: Fine x2 for Knightwarrior.

{cb2}Dinh December 5 2008 9:43 AM EST

Rave it's just the fact that some people abuse their know it's one thing tohave the powers...its one thing to use those power when someone breaks a rule...but it's totally different to threaten to use those powers FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON...and like i said, yeah it wouldnt affect my gameplay,it's just the fact that he could get into my account for absolutely no reason and mess with stuff...that is also labeled as hacking and cheating for regular players...

KW, please watch the language...


{cb2}Dinh December 5 2008 9:46 AM EST

And for everyone who is referencing DAS as fighting people for negative challenge bonuses, that is mostly just me...because i dont give two [ADMIN EDIT] cents about my character because i realize and accept the fact that I missed the last 4 1/2 months of my NUB and have no way at all of reaching the top...and I'm fine completely fine with that...


Guardian December 5 2008 9:47 AM EST

ravenshaw i do not understood any word about what u said kick op from room and stuff.

why am i beeing fined, because of bad words i said above?
fine, than i deserve.

but the dude there were not very friendable. And i already have to work hard to write better possible and he goes laugh about me, that was totally unnecessary.

if u wanna fine a newbie do not even know what rules he broke, fine man, u have the power .

Soul Eater December 5 2008 10:47 AM EST

The thing that bothers me the most about being in a clan and even not being in one, is that I get farmed by people who are like in the 900,000's and I'm only in the 500,000's. So how is that fair.

lostling December 5 2008 10:49 AM EST

it happens... its probably based on your score

Soul Eater December 5 2008 10:51 AM EST

Plus I feel like I'll never get as high as all these people who've been here for years so it's kind of discouraging.

lostling December 5 2008 10:53 AM EST

NUB until January 18 trust me this pwns... you will get over 1mill MPR i think

BootyGod December 5 2008 11:32 AM EST

Why doesn't someone actually talk about the original post discussing AA's points without the garbage?

Or is the petty bickering technically still something approaching valid?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 5 2008 11:37 AM EST

Thread Closed (wishes that actually worked)

Please refrain from displaying your lack of vocabulary (in any language) and find a better way to help those of us who don't type very well in unfamiliar languages than pointing and laughing.

This crap is NOT ok on CB. Stop.

{cb2}Dinh December 5 2008 11:48 AM EST

Yeah lostling, 1 mpr, even 1.5 mpr run for NUB isnt anything compared to the top players who are up there at 3 and 4 million MPR...if it takes six months (approximate numbers here ) to get to, lets just say 2 mill mpr after the nub runs out, then it would take another year and a half just to reach 3 mill would take sooooo long without any bonus to EXP at how does that "OWN" that is actually the word...


Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 5 2008 11:54 AM EST

Dinh, you aren't allowed to "bleep" parts of your own swear words. That's considered un-PG, too.
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