is the quarter blender program dead? (in General)


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 31 2009 3:28 PM EST

was it ever officially announced as being over?

PearsonTritonRaveshaw January 31 2009 3:38 PM EST

I don't think it was ever officially renounced, but I think we all know it's dead.

Godpanda February 2 2009 10:58 AM EST

I say remove the QBs from past players then.

QBRanger February 2 2009 11:34 AM EST

Yea,

And I say we ask all those who won Olympic medals in baseball give theirs back since baseball is not an Olympic sport anymore.

And all those who bought Oldsmobiles get their monies back since they are not made anymore.

And all those who ..... The list goes on and on.

Godpanda February 2 2009 11:45 AM EST

*shrugs* If no one cares about the program anymore.. Just get rid of it completely.

I wasn't being particularly serious. I just think it's childish and innapropriate how the end of QB program came about. People talking about how there was no one left who deserved it. How pathetic can people get?

You know what? That's right. From now on, if you don't have a QB or Admin tag next to your name, you're not allowed to contribute to CB simply because someone else contributed more.

There were a ton of ways that program could have been continued, but none of the vets seemed to care to get behind it.

Then again, I'm not a QB either. So I'll take my "not quite good enough" opinion elsewhere.


And, yeah, maybe the amount of sarcasm in this post is unnecessary. But sometimes I feel one must speak the language of those they wish to reach if they want to be understood.

Godpanda February 2 2009 11:49 AM EST

I didn't mean Ranger in particular. NO ONE made real efforts to continue the tradition. And there were many people voicing the opinion that no one else was left to vote for.

Don't distort what I said. I hold no individual responsible. I hold a community responsible.

QBRanger February 2 2009 12:20 PM EST

I am not distorting anything.

I am reading exactly what you typed.

Just because a tradition dies, does not mean those who were honored with it should have that honor removed.

Nobody is stopping anyone from asking Jon or NS if they can continue that tradition.

It just seems none of the current admins wish to take on that responsibility.

Steve G February 2 2009 12:25 PM EST

you have to remember back then QB was given out for outstanding effort and contribution to the game, im not trying to offend anyone, but i just dont think the people who are here now worked as hard as those who earned the QB already, so maybe its better just to have it gone and let those who truely earned it keep it as an honour that they deserved

Godpanda February 2 2009 12:29 PM EST

^ Flat wrong and completely proves my point.


BluBBen February 2 2009 12:30 PM EST

Sadly I think that Steve is kinda right.

I feel like the game have sunk into some sort of dvala over the last year. I really hope for a change of this!

BluBBen February 2 2009 12:32 PM EST

Well, I'm not saying that anyone haven't deserved it at all. But the community have become less and less of a community thats all. And with less community as a whole, it's even harder for a particular person to prove himself worthy of being the kindest community member.
Do you get my point?

Steve G February 2 2009 12:51 PM EST

im not saying its dead either, im just saying if its going to happen again but you have to do more then play the game, more than chat, more then say hello to a noob, QB is for going above and beyond, i kinda hope that this can come back but everyone here needs to step it up a notch, not just for yourself but for everyone.

( maybe we can talk the new full admin into running it or whatever :P )

QBRanger February 2 2009 1:25 PM EST

What exactly is your point Wretched?

That since there are no more QB's, everyone with a past QB should have it taken away.

That is to say all the contributions they made to CB as a whole did not exist since there are no more.

But it may be as Steve states or may not. I have been out of chat and the forums for a while and do not know if someone has proven themselves as an outstanding person worthy of the QB tag.

But if your point is: "Since there are no more QBs, all past QBs are meaningless." It is a pointless statement as it is untrue.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 2 2009 1:26 PM EST

well if the program is revived, i would like to see it changed so that the popular vote section is just removed and the qb is voted on by jon and the admins/ops. perhaps still have the public take part in the nomination process.

i think there was too much room for bad blood between the devs and the community when the popular vote went differently than the title.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 2 2009 1:29 PM EST

as far as there being no outstanding community members, i think that this is a ridiculous idea. with the development of the wiki there is a great opportunity for community involvement, it is just less obvious than before. ; )

PearsonTritonRaveshaw February 2 2009 1:47 PM EST

Make it a supporter feature to vote for a QB. =P

The admins (and Jon) can't monitor everybody. They already have a tough job and I don't think they should be held responsible for monitoring everybody's contributions towards the game.

My vote goes to hacky pie.

QBRanger February 2 2009 1:55 PM EST

IMO,

A quarter blender is more then just editing the wiki 100s of times.

A QB is in chat, helping new and older players. It is a person who posts constructively in the forums. Someone who adds to the game in many areas.

As I stated, being away for a few months, I have no idea if there is anyone who should be a new QB.

I leave that for Jon and the admins to decide. As others have stated, who are we to question Jon and the admins on their goal/intention of the game. If there is not a QB for this quarter, perhaps it is intentional and we should not be questioning it.

Steve G February 2 2009 2:02 PM EST

although i missed several years myself i recall ranger, sutekh and bast (to name a few) being an important part of the game back then and rightfully earning their title, not to say there isnt great people around today. but these QB devoted themselves to this game and its people and were rewarded with the title

BadFish February 2 2009 2:05 PM EST

I don't think a QB has to meet a certain list of criteria. I think anyone who contributes to the game in their own way can be a QB. It's not like you have to post often in the forums, be an active fighter, own a clan, help new players in chat, and give away items to be a QB.

Also, it's not like the title of QB comes with any special privileges. If someone gets voted QB and a few people don't think that person is QB material, well, don't worry about it, because it's just two pink letters in front of their name.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 2 2009 2:43 PM EST

#1) the public needs to not blame the poor admin running the nominations

#2) we need to acknowledge the day to day contributions of people somehow, so when it's time for QB noms the process is easier

#3) GW for QB in 09'!

Dark Dreky February 2 2009 2:46 PM EST

It would make more sense if there was only ONE QB tag at one time. Why is it a lifetime achievement? What happens when a QB sells out and quits? He is most certainly not worthy of retaining the QB tag on an inactive account.

QBRanger February 2 2009 2:47 PM EST

A QB is QUARTER blender.

A tag for the contributions to CB made during that period of time.

BluBBen February 2 2009 2:48 PM EST

You could also state it like this Ranger.

"A QB is QUARTER blender.

A tag for the contributions to CB made during that past quarter."

Godpanda February 2 2009 2:49 PM EST

My saying that QBs should lose their title was more bitterness than a serious proposal. To say that QBs are better than anyone who plays now (which you are implying in a way by saying no one now could ever get it) is ridiculous. Hell, a good portion of those QBs rarely show up in forums nowadays and even more rarely show up in chat.

I know these QBs just like anyone. I cast my votes and I know why they got it. They deserved it. BUT SO DID OTHERS. So -DO- others. The QBs (all of them) were great people who added much to this game. But there will be more players like them. And there are players who still try their best, despite the sky is falling mentality that almost everyone seems to have nowadays.

We let traditions fall and wonder why the game seems to die a bit more every month or so. Too many players dreaming about the old days of CB1. I love this game. It's -great-. And I've been playing for years.

Heck, I don't even know where I'm going with this. I'm just totally against the idea that players now contribute less than they used to.

Mesoshort February 2 2009 2:55 PM EST

The idea of a QB is a good one in of itself, but like all ideas, not everyone agrees with them ;)
I was looking at the list of current QBメs and I have seen/spoken to 3 of the 11. And I have been here for two years (believe it or not). Some are forum trolls, but there is a big difference in posting/replying to a few threads than to being active and helping. Heaven knows I am no QB or even close! But I do know some that are helpful and show a lot more enthusiasm in their help than others that are on the list. I smell a poll comingナ

QBRanger February 2 2009 2:56 PM EST

Wretched,

You may be 100% right.

However, who are we to question Jon and the admins on how they run the game?

To quote others who use that stupid, stupid, very stupid line when I suggest something and/or rant myself.

However, nothing prohibits you from running the next or any future QB nominations and selection. You can chat with Jon or Beee or Bart or Shade about it and see if you can do something about it.

But to post that it seems over and that is bad, without a solution is counter productive.

As I stated, personally I do not know the people much now and rarely show up in chat due to other factors.

But to suggest that past QB's should be removed is the opposite of what the QB tag was in the past.

However, if Jon and the admins decide to change it and make only 1 or 2 at a time, great. But leave that decision up to them.

QBRanger February 2 2009 2:57 PM EST

Past poll:

http://www.carnageblender.com/poll/poll-results.tcl?poll_id=417

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 2 2009 3:03 PM EST

"A quarter blender is more then just editing the wiki 100s of times."

actually one wiki edit can answer the same new user question thousands of times. a wiki page created to help new users can answer hundreds of questions thousands of times.

it is for this reason that i think times have changed in cb land. it is no longer that necessary to have helpful chatters, what is necessary in chat is to point people to the wiki! ; )

"If there is not a QB for this quarter..."
did we have a qb for the whole of 2008?

Mesoshort February 2 2009 3:03 PM EST

So if there was already a poll, what were the results? I am not an admin and well, as a peon, not told these things ;)
But I guess that truly is the purpose of this thread, as it seems to have gotten off topic...

"was it ever officially announced as being over?"

BadFish February 2 2009 3:08 PM EST

"who are we to question Jon and the admins on how they run the game?"

We are the players. Without us, there IS no game.

Godpanda February 2 2009 3:16 PM EST

I simply ask that someone else be put in charge of the QB program. Or ask for volunteers to do it.

Godpanda February 2 2009 3:17 PM EST

And Badfish is right. Jon and NS are busy people. If the players want to see change, we need to do something. Give them a reason to take what time they DO have for CB and spend it doing something we want to see.

Flamey February 2 2009 3:33 PM EST

It was never officially announced as over. In fact it died right in the middle of the process. There was a vote with no announcement of who got QB. I do recall this because I was one of the nominee's and did ask this question a few times with 1 or 2 responses >.<

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 2 2009 3:36 PM EST

http://www.carnageblender.com/poll/poll-results.tcl?poll_id=416

was that the one flamey? i thought novice won that one and there hasn't been one since. unless there was another one that the poll never made it up on?

Flamey February 2 2009 3:37 PM EST

I believe it was QB4'07. I'll see if I can find it.

QBJohnnywas February 2 2009 3:38 PM EST

Flamey's right about it dying in the middle of one, I'd sent off an email with a nomination.

Flamey February 2 2009 3:41 PM EST

The Q&A being submitted here. No poll was made.

QBRanger February 2 2009 3:42 PM EST

It probably was ended with the nomination process as there is no poll for a QB in the first quarter of 08.

At least not in the polls I can see.

Flamey February 2 2009 3:48 PM EST

Technically, nominees were already known and it was the Q&A which everyone answered. All that was left was the poll and Jon actually saying X won.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 2 2009 3:52 PM EST

six nominees were considered in that q & a and all of them are still active. as of march we would have six quarter blenders that were skipped...hmm.

QBOddBird February 3 2009 1:20 AM EST

I could care less what route is taken.

As far as I'm concerned, the QB title is less an honor and more a symbol that causes others to hold you to a higher standard.

I can't count the number of times people have criticized QBs and made statements such as "how did they ever get QB anyway?"

It's simply insulting, and I could care less if the title stays or goes. As I said when I originally got it, if being a QB means I have to change my behavior, then I'd like mine revoked.

The sole reason I'd like to keep it is so that I may continue to play with it (in reference to my name changes.)

TheHatchetman February 3 2009 2:00 AM EST

Gun's response :P

"2) Give one reason you should be considered for this honor. Please don't give the easy answer "I don't deserve it." Dig deep show some conceit here!

If only to end this pointless popularity contest. I wish to be the last QB, if not vote block the other losers, and pose as the final straw in the downfall for this obsolete pageant! Free Edy! "

Brakke Bres [Ow man] February 3 2009 3:38 AM EST

QB is this really how much anyone did for the community or is it who the community likes the best?

BluBBen February 3 2009 3:46 AM EST

A combination Henk.
Making good deeds for the community makes the community like you. And how could anyone be given the titel "Most helpfull/best community contributor" e.g. QB without being liked by the community itself?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 3 2009 3:56 AM EST

Forum Trolling?

There's a few of us (and by that I mean CB players total, not QBs) that don't use chat (for a few reasons), and yeah, I'll be the first to admit my Forum posting has dropped off considerably.

But that's to stop the Trolling.

As said above, with the wiki, there's really no need for much mechanics discussions any more, or even strategy talk.

And with nothing new in the game for ages, CB discussion has got, stale.

I suppose that now Rangers back, me and him could start spamming opposite sides of age old arguements that have beaten to death already, but nothings really changed, and our discussions didn't really change anything.

But I'd like to avoid the Trolling.

Everyone should take a look at the Poll Ranger linked, everything's still summed up there quite nicely. Especially GW's first post! :P

But if the little purple (loser!) QB tags are causing such a problem, just get rid of them.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 3 2009 10:16 AM EST

I like dudemus's point... give the last six qb titles to the noms for last time and lets move ahead.

The next qb should be the person who finds a way to bring us back over the 300 mark for active users.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw February 3 2009 10:21 AM EST

TROLL!!!


Just kidding GL. /hug

Tal [Chaotic Serenity] February 3 2009 10:38 AM EST

like i told Novice last night i would volunteer to be the QB nom and poll person, but what does a new player like me know what he would be getting himself into??

can't be extremely difficult to recieve nominations and ask some questions about why they think they would be a good reciever of said reward.
then to finish with a popular vote poll.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 3 2009 10:49 AM EST

i still think that we should just go with public nominations and then let jon, ns & the admins/ops vote on the winner. that would remove the popularity contest part of it as well as much of the time and trouble as well as the hard feelings when the winner is not the one who won the poll. if we do it at all any longer.

Mesoshort February 3 2009 11:05 AM EST

Well the problem with that, dudemus, is that Jon and many of the ops cannot be in chat 24/7, the exception being GW and Slayer. Lol. So the ending vote would not be very accurate.

QBRanger February 3 2009 11:08 AM EST

I think the public vote is an essential part in determining a QB.

How does one become popular? By being friendly, helpful, honest among other traits. All these are in the spirit of the QB.

I know there are times when Jon and the admins disagree with the popular vote, but out of the 8 QB's we have, only 1 time I can remember there was a significant problem between the popular vote and the eventual selection.

Which was rectified with the subsequent QB selection.

While the QB selection is not in of itself a popularity contest, being popular and well liked is a part of the process/selection.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 3 2009 11:09 AM EST

if helping people in chat was the only qualification, i could see your point. unless i am missing your point entirely?

QBRanger February 3 2009 11:10 AM EST

And if needed, I will volunteer to be the person who does the QB things.

However, I will need an admin to post the polls, lock and unlock the answer thread etc...

Overall, however, it is far easier and quicker if an admin does the entire process. If a non admin does it, then it becomes a chore to get admins to do what is needed for a proper selection.

QBRanger February 3 2009 11:12 AM EST

Dude,

I think your missing my point entirely.

There is more to being popular then being in chat. Being in the forums, helpful via CM's.

Sefton was almost never in chat but was extremely popular. GL and JW are hardly in chat and look at them.

You yourself are almost never in chat and are very popular.

Many ways to skin a cat.

But I do think the people of CB should have a say in who the QB is.

My opinion only and I am sure people certainly disagree with.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 3 2009 11:15 AM EST

my main priority would be to see the program continue in any form, the rest was just opinion. it would be nice to see some retroactive titles though.

while there was only one or two instances of disagreement, i do feel that those instances caused a large amount of hard feelings within the community. all i have is anecdotal evidence to back that up, but i feel that the community was greatly affected by it. if that is why no one wants to do it in its traditional fashion, i was merely offering another option that could possibly allow us to have more qb's! ; )

QBRanger February 3 2009 11:19 AM EST

I agree,

Somehow the QB effort should be restarted.

How, depends on if an admin is willing to take on that responsibility. I can see, if a Q and A thread is made and not locked, spam and trolling will occur.

But, you are right. There were very hard feelings after 1 particular person who the popular vote, I think by a large margin, and was denied QB. However, a lot of that animosity was due to the fact we, as players, were never told why the selection was made. No reason was given as to why one person was picked over another.

But 1 out of 8 is not that horrible and as I stated, it was rectified with the subsequent QB selection.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 3 2009 1:35 PM EST

Job for the new Full Admin? :P

*nudge* *nudge*

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 3 2009 2:05 PM EST

*wink* *wink*

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 3 2009 6:37 PM EST

Say no more. ;)
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