AoF: Conundrum (or tell novice what to do) (in Contests)
I'm vulnerable to displacement boots, how would you fix this?
Prize: +10 Amulet of Focus to my favorite suggestion
Ends in 24 hours
Add more dexterity to your vulnerable minion.
Xiaz on Hiatus
February 25 2009 8:03 PM EST
Boost your EC, and ^.
February 25 2009 8:06 PM EST
I would recommend a small EC to put low-DX targets into the negative and training a token-lvl of DX on your tank, just to ensure the maximum possible base CTH, but you've already done that...
I would advise huge PTH on your weaponry, but you've already done that...
I would point out that as a tank, you practically *need* an alternate non-tank damage source to be successful in the top ranks, but you already know and have applied that...
I would say that outside of just pumping plus into oblivion, or attempting to compete with tanks getting bonuses to their DX while you fight through penalties you're doing everything possible to combat DBs... ^_^
Job well done, novice wins! Send prize to C. Montgomery Burns :P
February 25 2009 8:10 PM EST
Grab a MenC to replace your SC defensively. You can change it up between the two to keep attackers on their toes.
Hint: His problem is Vectoidz.
February 25 2009 8:17 PM EST
if his problem is vectoidz, the issue is his Exbow... Only way to fix that is to try to match DX (HAH! no seriously... LOL!), or pump up the pth
Poof  (+175) worth $61,895,982 owned by SHD (Vectoidz)
And you have low dex and +132 on your exbow... so yeah, you need to pump up your dex so that the dex ratio is less than it is now. + to hit will be expensive to upgrade.. as you know ;)
February 25 2009 8:21 PM EST
When I had issue with exbows on BS, I used a combination of PL and rented DBs to delay it hitting long enough to kill the Exbow user first.
February 25 2009 8:28 PM EST
What are you trying to accomplish?
Do you want to hit in melee? or in missile? With a 1H or 2H weapon?
Which of your minions vs which of their minions? I would need to know to check on the dexterity side of things.
If it is your 2nd minion, perhaps unlearning some strength and boosting dexterity to a decent level for your MPR may help hit. Then use EB and an EC of course. But of course, as I found out with Koy, if you lower your strength, your ENC is lower making it hard to add NW to add PTH. A vicious cycle of sorts.
If it is your last minion, it would seem only more PTH on the exbow for missile and using the new cape/gloves for melee to get a bit more PTH.
Haste will not work vs those pesky DM users so I would not recommend it.
You can also try to use EC, however it would need to be prohibitively high to nuke some of the 3+M dexterity given by high level TOAs.
And one can always use magic, which makes DBs moot.
February 25 2009 8:31 PM EST
or start a new character!
February 25 2009 8:31 PM EST
ooh! Put a ToA on your Exbow minion!!! :o
While i realize this isn't even a remote possibility, figured I'd add it to disprove "<deifeln3> there is no more strat advice to be given, it's all covered in the first 9 posts"
February 25 2009 8:33 PM EST
A TOA as Hatch stated or a Hal.
February 25 2009 8:37 PM EST
Get yourself some huge DB's? :) Or, Boost DX and get a ToA and EB's? :o
Good idea, ToA and you lose a few people off your fight list. Same with Hal, really.
But you might also gain a few onto your list as well.. forgot to mention that. Hehe, sorry.
February 25 2009 8:46 PM EST
If by few you mean one, you might want to check his battle logs. Only one person can beat him, SHD.
You can't invest in HP enough to make a difference.
AS won't work, either.
There's no (reasonable) way to increase your longevity that way.
You're left with either 1) not being hit or 2) neutralizing the enemy first.
That's not too many options. :(
You could try using MM with a small fireball infront of it to take out meat shields, but I doubt that would give enough damage to overcome 8m+ HP.
Another option would be to counter an archer with a better archer. Given your team's set-up, and that he has DBs, that probably won't work, either.
Exbow and Axbow are good options, if you can manage to hit with them. Have you considered investing some in an Axbow? If you can hit with that, it would make hitting with an Exbow easier and make him hit less. I know it's not exactly cost-efficient, but if you can hit with it, it might be worth it.
Other than those few options, you really can't do anything except accept the fact that you can't beat everybody without even more money than you have, or a larger MPR boost. He exploits the weaknesses in your strategy (reliance on AS, Exbow to neutralize tanks) and does it well. Perhaps, instead of trying to beat him, you should congratulate him? :)
February 25 2009 9:03 PM EST
What is the main weakness to displacement boots?
Magic. Magic always hits! put some DD on your team and shazaam! You're no longer vulnerable to displacement boots!
(are you serious?)
Okay okay, I know you won't take this seriously, but still... it's a fix, isn't it?
(no it's not)
All right, all right, I've got another idea!
Go to the person using the displacement boots and bribe them to use a smaller pair!
(that's an even worse suggestion)
Fine! Here's two suggestions: Sit in a corner and cry! Or complain to Jon until he nerfs the displacement boots!
February 25 2009 9:19 PM EST
Well if you want to beat SHD train 2 decays on enchanters and shazaaam
SHD wins in range. Decay won't work :\
February 25 2009 9:44 PM EST
Hubbell (F) (+) (GDI)
Conundrum (The Knighthood II)
February 25 2009 10:20 PM EST
Let me get something straight, first...
You've got an 8-figure tat strapped on, giving you magic and another kill slot, and massive hit points. And you think DBs are you're real problem? What are you trying to do?
KoP wins because of PL. It's that simple, and that broken. I was on that bandwagon a long time ago -- zero support. You can't kill off any of his minions, even though they only have 20 HP, because the PL acts as a force-shield instead of a post-damage (er, post-death) absorber.
The real question is: How does he beat you? Do you really need to kill him more quickly, or is there something you can do to stop him? Either his defense is broken or his offense is -- there's not a lot you can do about that.
And yeah, I want that AoF.
February 25 2009 10:38 PM EST
That's nice Sut, but he doesn't have any problems beating me :)
February 25 2009 10:46 PM EST
So, pardon my ignorance, but who's DBs does he have a problem with?
February 25 2009 10:48 PM EST
February 25 2009 10:54 PM EST
Question still stands -- how does Vectoidz beat you (barely, not often)?
I can tell you one thing off the bat -- he's an archer -- you wait till melee to lay down you biggest payload (the tat, an IF). So, change your strategy to be more ranged of you want to beat those DBs.
Will you lose other targets? Sure, I suppose. Some questions don't have solid answers.
Vectoidz has no AMF to protect him from decay.
But the big question is, does he kill you in ranged or in melee?
In ranged, get big DB's and pump your own PTH/
In melee, add decay.
February 26 2009 1:29 AM EST
High AC wall to last to melee so IF can rip him apart?
You said favorite response. Not most helpful.
So, I think you should go out and get a delicious ice cream and forget about DBs for a day. ;p
It should be that Vectoidz beats him in range. Decay will not help and even if he put up two decays then it will make those two minions easy bait for other characters to beat. You could always try using big DBs to deter his + to hit but it would be a rather large cash sink.
February 26 2009 1:40 AM EST
Pay Jon to delete DBs. Permanently.
Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
February 26 2009 1:42 AM EST
Bribe Jon into changing back to a */10, or even a */5 regen rate.
Then bribe him into allowing the combined accounts thing again.
So, to recap:
Step 1: Bribe Jon
Step 2: Bribe Jon
Step 3: Find Partner
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!
February 26 2009 2:45 AM EST
"Decay will not help"
I'm seeing this a lot. From what I gathered the average rounds is 8-9. thats a good 3 to 4 decays, assuming his 3rd minion is the last to die.
i find that decay would only help should the minion with the decay lasts till the melee rounds, which if you put your other minions ahead of your main tank will happen, so i suggest pumping dex, getting an awesome set of DBs that match Vectoids, or just try and beat him in MPR by playing more often.
sorry if that is no help xD.
February 26 2009 4:19 AM EST
If the displacement boots are on a mage, then they won't have any dex of their own and you'll hit more by focusing on a melee weapon over ranged? If its enemy tanks (that do have high dex) with displacement boots, then I think you're just out of luck and you'd do better versus them playing a pure mage strategy otherwise you waste exp on strength.
February 26 2009 4:33 AM EST
Here's a suggestion. The Dbs that he is using are mine either rent them before he does when his current rental expires, and then bribe me not to put them back in rentals when they finally come out problem solved :)
February 26 2009 4:45 AM EST
I have the 2 solutions fou you Nov.
1: Go in the rental and select only the box 'show rented items' after cliclk on filter, then go in the footwear section and find the displacement boots named 'Poof' look at how many hours i still got this rented items, then figure at what time it will be back in rentals and be sure to be there when it happen so you can rent them yourself. Also, you will be able to know to who they belong for real and try to give the guy some cbd so he wont put them in rental anymore. Do this with every single DB available in rentals. This will force me to build my own Displacement Boots which i obviously aint got the money for....
2:Wait until i go back to work in 2 months, at this time i will play way, way less so i wont bother you winning streak....
And dont unlearn !!! you got an incredibly strong strategy.
February 26 2009 5:33 AM EST
lets see... continue to add to your X and ignore your already overly inflated +
or you can be more interesting and use those things like Menelvegorian Cape, Gloves of Mercy and SOC on your tank to directly compete with DBs...
or if you are REALLY desperate use a TOA?
Finally; a strat discussion. (Sorry I don't have anything helpful to say, it seems it's already been said.)
Oh, and by-the-way, I think he is trying to tell you something with his minion names.
February 26 2009 9:39 AM EST
Untrain all exp and pump up Dex... kind of like a KoP style character, but Dex instead of HP...
would that even work?
a little more than six hours left
February 26 2009 1:47 PM EST
perhaps use an ROE to train evasion on your first minion. The AP isn't doing that much considering it is really only reducing. the BoF penalties. Perhaps putting a solid 800k lvls or 100,000 effect will be of great use. Additionally equipping a pair of EG's will increase the evasion with an EC with no penalties to your trained enchantments.
An ROE isn't really necessary but could help you get it done quicker.
February 26 2009 1:48 PM EST
oops rather a 100 effect
February 26 2009 2:32 PM EST
the only thing i can think of without knowing anything is putting your ice familiar in the rear, since all his attacks come from the front. can you battle him once or twice and post the play by play?
February 26 2009 5:08 PM EST
let me eleborate :)
that's a total of 42 PTH just there with minimal investment...
using the SOC would also allow you survive longer :) not to mention flashing the hell out of him
said DB are A Pair of Displacement Boots  (+195) worth $81,064,480
with 14mill you have countered 42/195 = 21% of his DB
i would also like to suggest using a BOE which frees up your slot to train BL to synergies with the SOC which of course will be immensely useful... not to mention i would suggest switching to a leeching weapon as BL + SOC + leech = godly
February 26 2009 5:11 PM EST
concerning vectoidz i would also suggest using a small elb or FB of some sort to kill off his AOL bearing minion asap
February 26 2009 5:28 PM EST
sorry for triple posting but look at it this way
A Set of Tulkas' Gauntlets  (+20)
no idea how big is your cloak but rough guess would put it around 11+23
A Buckler of Mandos  (+28)
sedrellium hull  (+51)
you lose 6+20+11+23+10+28+22+51=171 AC = 28.557% armor reduction
51+28+20=98% str increase
but you get... bah sorry dont have the time to caculate it for you... PM me or something if you want... gtg to army now -.- brb in around 12 hrs
February 26 2009 6:53 PM EST
Put a pair of huge DBs on your junction minion. Really simple I know. But, if you do this you will last easy to melee with your IF, and both your IF and junction minion will be hit less, 2x for your money.
Your process to destroy your displacement boot vulnerability is simple.
First, you must sponsor the first Miss CB Universe contest to be judged by admins and Mushu. During the contest, it is important to monitor Nightstrike's life signs while the contestants perform in each of the contest segments (talent, swim suit, tulwar toss while in a swim suit). At some point, Nightstrike will have the proper reaction that enables you to move to the second step.
Second, blackmail the contestant indicated by Nightstrike's reaction into doing your bidding (if Nightstrike's reaction is prompted by Mushu, you will have to resort to bribes since it is currently impossible to blackmail Mushu for anything).
Third, offer Nightstrike exclusive dating privileges with the contestant (or Mushu) on the condition that he sabotage displacement boots with a "failure to displace" feature that kicks in when someone fights you.
This can work!
February 26 2009 7:52 PM EST
If high AC wall (make tank more AC based and less damage based) won't stop the huge ranged damage, then make an evasion enchanter!
Going to ask a couple of people to pick their favorite
Right now in the running are;
Tyriel - for having a realistic perspective
idiotz - big dbs are certainly an option
DoS - playing regulator
SHD - cheapest and most effective solution
lostling - best wrong answer [and showing his work] (upping my melee PTh would be awesome, but in effective in this specific case)
thrak - for seeing the big picture
QBnovice (Conundrum) 188.8.131.52 Tyriel (Storing) An Amulet of Focus ($1495095) -- winner! 3:36 PM EST
Good luck dealing with SHD! At least you can look at the bright side; you are winning some of the battles, which means a little bit of rewards, even if you can't beat him.
This thread is closed to new posts.
However, you are welcome to reference it
from a new thread; link this with the html
<a href="/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002fqP">AoF: Conundrum (or tell novice what to do)</a>