Evasion and DBs (in General)


kevlar March 15 2009 4:07 AM EDT

So the big line in the wiki I don't get is: Note that the evasion level afforded by the boots does not confer any defensive DX, as you only get that from the real, trained evasion.


What does that exactly mean? If you have DBs and evasion the DB stacking doesn't help dodge hits? What does the stacked effect do then?

iBananco [Blue Army] March 15 2009 4:19 AM EDT

That section is outdated. Trained evasion used to grant defensive DX.

SuperHD March 15 2009 4:36 AM EDT

yeah, the DX part helps a lot for multiple hit, but i dont not know any ''formula'' to explain it...

what happen if two opponent have each a +100 to hit bow, but one have 1 mil dex and the other have 2 mil dex ? same str and armor..
(my answer: the one with 1 mil dex will hit once the other will hit twice or more..)

does a DB pair cancel out the effect of opponent DB pair?

a must to use with evasion is the Amulet of invisibility !



''Note that the evasion level afforded by the boots does not confer any defensive DX,'' i think it says to train DX if using DB..

kevlar March 15 2009 5:33 AM EDT

I still don't get the meaning of the stack...

kevlar March 15 2009 5:35 AM EDT

a must to use with evasion is the Amulet of invisibility !


SHD, from my standpoint and I think a lot of others, is that training evasion is for the AoJ , not AoI...

iBananco [Blue Army] March 15 2009 5:37 AM EDT

Convert the DBs to an appropriate trained level of evasion, add levels, convert to new level, convert back to effect. Tack on 20 if you're using an AoI.

iBananco [Blue Army] March 15 2009 5:38 AM EDT

Minus convert to new level.

kevlar March 15 2009 5:40 AM EDT

D7, I have no idea what that meant. And again, this is geared towards an AoJ amulet on the minion, not AoI

SuperHD March 15 2009 5:43 AM EDT

if your DB completely anihilate your opponent plus to hit then the Amulet of Invisibility will bite a chunk of 20 chance to hit of opponent weapon. (chance to hit of elven bow goes to 100 to 80...)

iBananco [Blue Army] March 15 2009 5:43 AM EDT

So remove the AoI clause. Say you have +50 DBs, and 30 evasion. 50 evasion translates to about 151,556, and 30 to 42,972. The sum is 194,528, or 55 evasion, if the wiki is to be believed about the levels:effect.

kevlar March 15 2009 6:07 AM EDT

I get the concept of how it stacks the question is does the stack help with dodging? The statement in the wiki makes it sound that the only defensive dodging capable is from trained evasion alone.

Ancient Anubis March 15 2009 7:13 AM EDT

it helps cut down the pth of the weapons but niether dbs or trained evasion will combat a tanks trained dx as defensive dx was removed from evasion a while ago now.

kevlar March 15 2009 8:26 AM EDT

where can I read about that then? I am so confused!

Sickone March 15 2009 8:47 AM EDT

http://www.carnageblender.com/wiki/To-hit

kevlar March 15 2009 9:16 AM EDT

ok this is way over my head... but when I read that I thought that is mentioned DBs as acting as like a defensive bonus for PTH.... still confused on the wording. Do DBs HELP or NOT help for EVADING hits? That is all I am asking.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 15 2009 9:21 AM EDT

they help of course. Each plus on DBs takes away one pth from the enemies weapon. The only other thing you need to know is that it doesnt stack linearly with evasion, which does the exact same thing.

three4thsforsaken March 15 2009 9:36 AM EDT

I other words. DBs can reduce chances of double, triple or more hits. It is unlikely able to reduce to less than 1 though.

QBRanger March 15 2009 9:37 AM EDT

Mikel's DB can certainly reduce them to less then 1.

Just ask SHD.

kevlar March 15 2009 10:09 AM EDT

I still don't understand if DBs still take off PTH, how isn't it stacked?

Tal March 15 2009 10:11 AM EDT

alright bro look..
if you have DBs then your taking off some of the opponents plus-to-hit
if you have evasion then your taking off some of the opponents plus-to-hit

if you have both, they stack but they don't stack well ie evasion doesn't give as much as DBs, therefore the answer to your question is yes, they both take off pth and they are both worth having IF they are both big enough

QBRanger March 15 2009 10:12 AM EDT

It is stacked, by not linearly.

IE if you have evasion at level 100 and DBs at level 100, what you do is this....

Take the xp needed for the level 100 evasion. Convert the 100 DBs to the xp needed for 100 evasion.

Add that xp together and see what the "new" evasion level would be.

It will not be 200, but more like 120ish or so.

that is the xp method of addition.

three4thsforsaken March 15 2009 10:16 AM EDT

this is why DBs shouldn't allow you to dodge completely

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Wye

it doesn't affect dex cth. Evasion still does.

kevlar March 15 2009 10:17 AM EDT

k I have some homework to do, thnx all

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 15 2009 10:27 AM EDT

evasion (both trained and bought) effects dex cth... just not base cth

that's the biblical version as I understand it

Simply put, you can never reduce the base cth of 100 on the elb without exceeding the opponents dex. The AoI will cut that down to 80 (if you've already reduced all other pth)

QBRanger March 15 2009 10:27 AM EDT

Ah,

In the beginning DB's did reduce the dex CTH.

I guess that more recent changelog changed things.

I wonder if Jon programmed that correctly as your right. If you have no native dex, DB's alone should not stop 1-2 hits no matter the + on the DBs.
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