Evasion and DBs (in General)

So the big line in the wiki I don't get is: Note that the evasion level afforded by the boots does not confer any defensive DX, as you only get that from the real, trained evasion.


What does that exactly mean? If you have DBs and evasion the DB stacking doesn't help dodge hits? What does the stacked effect do then?

That section is outdated. Trained evasion used to grant defensive DX.

yeah, the DX part helps a lot for multiple hit, but i dont not know any ''formula'' to explain it...

what happen if two opponent have each a +100 to hit bow, but one have 1 mil dex and the other have 2 mil dex ? same str and armor..
(my answer: the one with 1 mil dex will hit once the other will hit twice or more..)

does a DB pair cancel out the effect of opponent DB pair?

a must to use with evasion is the Amulet of invisibility !



''Note that the evasion level afforded by the boots does not confer any defensive DX,'' i think it says to train DX if using DB..

I still don't get the meaning of the stack...

a must to use with evasion is the Amulet of invisibility !


SHD, from my standpoint and I think a lot of others, is that training evasion is for the AoJ , not AoI...

Convert the DBs to an appropriate trained level of evasion, add levels, convert to new level, convert back to effect. Tack on 20 if you're using an AoI.

Minus convert to new level.

D7, I have no idea what that meant. And again, this is geared towards an AoJ amulet on the minion, not AoI

if your DB completely anihilate your opponent plus to hit then the Amulet of Invisibility will bite a chunk of 20 chance to hit of opponent weapon. (chance to hit of elven bow goes to 100 to 80...)

So remove the AoI clause. Say you have +50 DBs, and 30 evasion. 50 evasion translates to about 151,556, and 30 to 42,972. The sum is 194,528, or 55 evasion, if the wiki is to be believed about the levels:effect.

I get the concept of how it stacks the question is does the stack help with dodging? The statement in the wiki makes it sound that the only defensive dodging capable is from trained evasion alone.

it helps cut down the pth of the weapons but niether dbs or trained evasion will combat a tanks trained dx as defensive dx was removed from evasion a while ago now.

where can I read about that then? I am so confused!

http://www.carnageblender.com/wiki/To-hit

ok this is way over my head... but when I read that I thought that is mentioned DBs as acting as like a defensive bonus for PTH.... still confused on the wording. Do DBs HELP or NOT help for EVADING hits? That is all I am asking.

they help of course. Each plus on DBs takes away one pth from the enemies weapon. The only other thing you need to know is that it doesnt stack linearly with evasion, which does the exact same thing.

I other words. DBs can reduce chances of double, triple or more hits. It is unlikely able to reduce to less than 1 though.

Mikel's DB can certainly reduce them to less then 1.

Just ask SHD.

I still don't understand if DBs still take off PTH, how isn't it stacked?

alright bro look..
if you have DBs then your taking off some of the opponents plus-to-hit
if you have evasion then your taking off some of the opponents plus-to-hit

if you have both, they stack but they don't stack well ie evasion doesn't give as much as DBs, therefore the answer to your question is yes, they both take off pth and they are both worth having IF they are both big enough

It is stacked, by not linearly.

IE if you have evasion at level 100 and DBs at level 100, what you do is this....

Take the xp needed for the level 100 evasion. Convert the 100 DBs to the xp needed for 100 evasion.

Add that xp together and see what the "new" evasion level would be.

It will not be 200, but more like 120ish or so.

that is the xp method of addition.

this is why DBs shouldn't allow you to dodge completely

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Wye

it doesn't affect dex cth. Evasion still does.

k I have some homework to do, thnx all

evasion (both trained and bought) effects dex cth... just not base cth

that's the biblical version as I understand it

Simply put, you can never reduce the base cth of 100 on the elb without exceeding the opponents dex. The AoI will cut that down to 80 (if you've already reduced all other pth)

Ah,

In the beginning DB's did reduce the dex CTH.

I guess that more recent changelog changed things.

I wonder if Jon programmed that correctly as your right. If you have no native dex, DB's alone should not stop 1-2 hits no matter the + on the DBs.