Elven Circlet? (in General)

Neo Japan April 3 2009 4:12 PM EDT

There is everything else that has something Elven(both armor and weapon). I don't need to see it right away, but I believe the Elven Circlet and Elven Shield need to make an appearance to have a complete Elven setup sometime in the future, whether its just a rare or supporter item.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 3 2009 4:21 PM EDT

my archmage has one...wait, that's in warhammer! waaagh!

AdminJonathan April 3 2009 7:34 PM EDT

I agree that all-elven options would be a nice touch.

Just need to come up with something special for them. :)

QBRanger April 3 2009 7:35 PM EDT

How about a bonus for equipping all elven items?

Sickone April 3 2009 7:36 PM EDT

You mean, like anything other than just +%DX and +%Skills per upgrade point ?

blackshadowshade April 3 2009 7:36 PM EDT

Well, it could be an Evasion bonus, which would fit with the theming.

QBRanger April 3 2009 7:38 PM EDT

Yes, other than the bonus for skills/dexterity.

Something perhaps along the lines of evasion, or something even more.

AdminJonathan April 3 2009 7:40 PM EDT

> How about a bonus for equipping all elven items?

Well, yes, that's obvious. :)

I'd like the helm and shield to be interesting on their own, though.

blackshadowshade April 3 2009 7:47 PM EDT

For an Elven Shield, I'd like something that gives minimal penalties and is specifically designed to block ranged attacks.

e.g. -5 UC, -2% damage per plus for ranged attacks, gives no AC.

This would be interesting to counter the Hal/archer superiority occurring at the moment, and would also mean that one has to make a difficult choice when choosing a shield.

QBRanger April 3 2009 7:48 PM EDT

Elven helm:

Chance of double cast or double attack in melee rounds equal to its +.

Upgrade equal to Corn.

Elven shield:

Allows user to use a 2H weapon in first melee round if they also equip a missile weapon.

Both grant AC.

If Helm, shield, cloak and boots equipped and user learns evasion, you get full evasion regardless of dexterity.

Ideas against a wall.

kevlar April 3 2009 7:50 PM EDT

It does sound enticing... and the options are vast. Hmmm maybe equipping a helm or amulet grants the Elven Long Sword able to unleash a ranged magical attack?

Sickone April 3 2009 7:54 PM EDT

Elven Leather Armor [9]
* plus 1% to base DX and Skills for each enchantment bonus
* grants Armor Profficiency
* upgrade curve similar to Leather Scale Mail
Power weight: 0.25

Elven Circlet [0]
* plus 2% to base DX and plus 3% to Skills for each enchantment bonus
* upgrades DO grant AC (similar to AoAC)
* upgrade curve similar to Amulet of Focus
Power weight: 0.20

Elven Shield [11]
* plus 1% to base DX and Skills for each enchantment bonus
* plus 0.5% resistance to DD for each point of enchantment, effect does not decay
* upgrade curve similar to Buckler
Power weight: 0.15

Sickone April 3 2009 7:58 PM EDT

Whoops, I meant Elven AMULET, not Elven Circlet.

Elven Circlet [6] (this is the helmet)
* plus 1% to base DX and Skills for each enchantment bonus
* grants Evasion at equivalent level to 50% of effective DX
* upgrade curve similar to Helm of Ecthelion
Power weight: 0.15

Sickone April 3 2009 8:00 PM EDT

...make that 0.25% resistance to DD for the Elven Shield :)

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] April 3 2009 8:10 PM EDT

Ranger's Elven Helm looks mighty fine to me. It would be useful to Light Tanks, and anything that serves them is not overkill, Imo. Combine that to the (relatively) new +to Hit items, and...it sounds good :)

Tyriel [123456789] April 3 2009 8:38 PM EDT

"I agree that all-elven options would be a nice touch.

Just need to come up with something special for them. :)"

Perhaps a wearer of all elven gear using an Elven Long Sword gains innate VA immune to DM?

Or a wearer of all elven gear could grant Armor Proficiency to the entire team, possibly stacking with trained AP for a 75% reduction in penalties?

Perhaps it could reduce damage done, but increase the number of hits by 1? Or just a straight PTH boost for tanks and a double-cast for mages?

I like the last one best. Mages have to choose between hitting a round earlier (HoC), extra damage/AMF protection (AG/NSC), potential Evasion (DB), in order to hit twice around (which would make them die faster due to GA and AMF). Archers would have to choose between the massive damage boost of BG and the same extra round, or having an easier time hitting opponents (meaning they could lower the PTH on their weapon and increase something else, like X...). Melee tanks would probably have to make less of a choice. They probably could use a boost anyways, though. :P

As for the individual items...

Elven Buckler - The magic on this shield protects its wearer from hostile missiles, adding its + to its base for ranged rounds only. For example, a [10] + 20 shield would be [30] + 20 during ranged rounds. It'll almost-double its own AC against ranged missiles.

Elven Headgear - Allows a minion to use a two-handed weapon in the first round of melee when also equipped with a ranged weapon.

Unappreciated Misnomer April 3 2009 8:40 PM EDT

i brought up something similar to this :http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002dZA

where my idea was geared towards starting characters, but i think the item in question here in your post need to have more catch 22 effects perhaps, cant be too powerful you know.

but silly me here i go:

make the shield increase your GA or make it more resistant to DM! DM is OP

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 3 2009 8:53 PM EDT

Elfstone Circlet: Grants wearer dexterity bonus flat 10% for each elven item worn, Magic Bonus of 1% per elven item.

What about an Elven Amulet? Is it AoF? Then rename it! It also needs a bonus when worn with all elven armor. No bonus to opponent spells, I think so!

So the EH needs some consideration, maybe it should get it's decay halved when worn with an all elven set.
EC: most unloved item in game. Flat 25% bonus to any trained evasion when grouped with elven gear.
EG: Add their plus to ranged weaponry when worn with other
EB: Bonus to AC when grouped
Elven Warrior Shield: Mediocre AC with no penalties. Blocks Attacks in HoC Round both magical and physical when grouped

Little Anthony April 3 2009 9:02 PM EDT

i am glad i still have most of elven pieces. There will be a time....

dup April 3 2009 11:42 PM EDT

why not have the elven shield give +dex skills like the others and have a low/no magic penalty...id love to put a shield on one of my enchanters for the added armor w/o the magic penalties. Make the helm the same as well..good for evasion walls or UC

make the combined set bonus just increase the skills/dex by a certain percentage over the normal values

Lets not forget the amulet of elvenkind as well =0 could make it a mix btw the amulet of ac and the amulet of focus plus add like a -10pth (1/2 aoi)

QBOddBird April 4 2009 11:31 AM EDT

:) I'm pretty happy to see Jon is interested in completing the Elven set and giving it a bonus for completeness...leads me to wonder if we'll see other types of sets, too :O

Just from what we've got...Mithril Set?
Maybe a trollskin set, too? xD

King April 4 2009 11:46 AM EDT

honestly I'd like to see the elven set aiding UC so something like

+1% dex per +
upgrade costs similar to the Cab or HoC

+3% dex per +

Buckler / Armlet
no UC penalty (be really nice to have a shield with no UC penalty)
0.5% dex per +
Upgrade costs Similar to the Mithril Shield to pump some AC into the set

make the set not include the bow/long sword so the armor would be all that mattered

Set Effects
EH decay eliminated (making the armor go from useless to useful)
flat +5% dex/skill bonus for the set
+ total + of all equipment /3 (rounded down) to either evasion or UC

King April 4 2009 11:51 AM EDT

forgot part of my idea for the helm so correction

1% dex per +
1.5 evasion per +
Upgrade Costs Similar to Cab or HoC

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 4 2009 11:53 AM EDT

AC like a Mithril Shield? Holy crap, I want I want I want.

Rawr April 4 2009 1:48 PM EDT

How about an ELS buff with the set bonus as well?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 4 2009 1:51 PM EDT

oh heck, I forgot... should the weapons be part of the "set"?

ELS gets parry ability, is able to block a single hit of a ranged attack in the last round of ranged even if user is also firing a ranged weapon

ELB gets to not count towards encumbrance if worn with the complete set.

Fatil1ty April 4 2009 2:26 PM EDT

AHAHA that second one is hilarious nov, no encumberance on ELB!? now that would be ridiculous...imagine if it didn't contribute to PR either!

Neo Japan April 8 2009 9:12 AM EDT

the elb idea isn't too bad, or that funny. cause you can't wear beleg's or a HoC with it, so it might even it out. might.

Colonel Custard April 8 2009 9:45 AM EDT

"Elven shield:

Allows user to use a 2H weapon in first melee round if they also equip a missile weapon."

But all the Elven Weapons are 1H.

Lord Bob April 8 2009 12:52 PM EDT

I think an Elven Shield should block Balrog Flame damage similar to the Mage Shield. Maybe GA as well, to a lesser degree. Upgrade costs the same, except with a wee bit of base AC.

miteke [Superheros] April 8 2009 2:15 PM EDT

What about the dwarves? They need some lovin' real bad!

Lord Bob April 8 2009 2:18 PM EDT

Dwarven equipment should be Strength and AC based rather than Dexterity based.

Change the Helm of Ecthelion to a Dwarven helm for starters, and go from there.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] April 8 2009 6:48 PM EDT

Yeah, I always wondered why there wasn't Dwarven equipment in this game.

BadFish April 8 2009 6:49 PM EDT

There needs to be fish-based equipment.

miteke [Superheros] April 8 2009 6:54 PM EDT


Me thinks there is a weird bias there fish-guy.

Haloki April 8 2009 7:05 PM EDT

man i like options other then the best strat ever (mine) lol

Neo Japan April 10 2009 4:04 PM EDT

i got it. If you have ALL elven equipment, then you automatically get 1.00 archery.

kevlar April 10 2009 4:12 PM EDT

"Change the Helm of Ecthelion to a Dwarven helm for starters, and go from there."

The TSA seems pretty Dwarven (being that there is no Troll class of items)

lol @ fish based equipment. A Set of Supersaturated O2 Gills - +DX
^Steve Irwin fell victim to teh fish based equipment, so can you.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 10 2009 4:29 PM EDT

Just Rename the HoC to the Elven Circlet and there you go. As far as the set making you have 1.0 Archery I would say that is over powered. Maybe a bonus to Dex or to Archery but nothing that would be over the top. Maybe a 3-5% increase would be cool. As far as the Dwarven gear Id say let's do it, the MH stands out as the first weapon in my mind as far as the armor its a toss up, all AC or STR based. Maybe a few of the Armor items should get consumed and we have a over all set that adds smaller bonuses to str and ac at the same time....just a thought.

Wizard'sFirstRule April 11 2009 7:12 AM EDT

and you can't mix and match dwarven gear with elven gear? as in double the penalty in the gear (so you still can use them together, but not so broken as in you can pick and choose the better of the 2 set)

ScY April 13 2009 2:08 PM EDT

Going with the LOTR theme, isnt mithril armor all dwarven made?

Rawr April 13 2009 6:44 PM EDT

no I think Frodo got the mithril chain mail thing from the elves, which helped him against the ogre thing that tried to kill him with the spear. The MCM stopped it from piercing Frodo

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 13 2009 7:47 PM EDT

Mithril is forged and mined by the dwarves. And he got the MCM from Bilbo, who in turn got it from Thorin, who got it from Smaug's treasure, which he got from the dwarves.
And Thorin does state that the MCM was made for a elvish prince, but it was made by the dwarves.
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