RoS vs DM data (in General)


BadFish May 6 2009 1:03 PM EDT

For a while many people, including me, have thought the RoS resistance basically impervious to DM as long as one kept their RoS near their max tat. Recently I got owned by a DM and I'd like to know what kind of XP investment it takes to bypass a DM's resistance in a significant way.

Recently fought/was fought by the character bimbi.j
Desace cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (3,755,754)
my RoS is almost exactly level 3m.
bimbi's mpr just recently broke 2m.
what % of that character's total exp is devoted to DM? Anyone good with numbers care to figure it out?

BTW: DM is not overpowered

Talion May 6 2009 1:16 PM EDT

The wiki states: "The resistance is about 40% of the level of the tattoo. It does not cancel out DM completely."

So your RoS protects up to 1.2M DM. So that 3.755M DM pwned you. :)

three4thsforsaken May 6 2009 2:01 PM EDT

I don't know who decided that the RoS makes you immune to DM strategically. It's not true.

Lefty May 6 2009 2:03 PM EDT

"I don't know who decided that the RoS makes you immune to DM strategically. It's not true. "

You are correct. This isn't true. However, from personal experience I have found that the 40% protection you get from the RoS that you can train into DM and still have other Offensive Enchantments can really help a lot in battle. I'm still working on getting my DM upto 40% on my new minion I purchased and still notice an effect of it in battle.

QBRanger May 6 2009 2:10 PM EDT

Also, the fact you can have AMF as well as DM makes a lot of difference.

Especially if your battles last to melee and decay start.

Having a 100k AMF helps reduce all that decay damage to whatever the NSC give. A far cry from the 50% damage without any AMF.

QBOddBird May 6 2009 2:16 PM EDT

Indeed, the ability to use AMF + DM is super awesome.

Colonel Custard May 6 2009 2:54 PM EDT

None of you guys have helped him answer the question. The question isn't "Why did my RoS not protect me?," it was "How much of an investment did this guy have to make to get me with that?"

Well, let's see.
Dispel Magic casts for 80% of its level.
So, he has 3,755,754 * 1.25 = 4,694,693 effective levels.
From his Belegs (1.5%), his HoC (1.5%), and his BoM (2.25%), he has a total of 5.25% EO penalties. His raw level is then 4,694,693 * [1/(1-.0525)] = 4,954,820.
At 12 EXP per point, that is 59,457,840 EXP.

The wiki's "Various Formulae" page lists this:
EXP = MPR*(1.4307*(MPR^0.2501))
MPR = (EXP/1.4307)^(1/1.2501)

We can use the first formula to solve for total EXP based on his MPR, which is 2,054,714.

EXP = 2,054,714 * [1.4307*(2,054,714^0.2501)]
EXP = 2,054,714 * [1.4307*(37.915704)]
EXP = 2,054,714 * 54.246
EXP = 111,460,011

Divide 59,457,840 (EXP trained into DM) by 111,460,011 (Total EXP on character), and you get .5334, or 53.34% of his total XP trained into DM. Wow. That's more than Sut, isn't it?

That's like 2/3 of your character's MPR just in DM against you.

QBRanger May 6 2009 3:05 PM EDT

That would not surprise me since he is using a TOA for all his strength/dexterity.

The only other things he is spending xp into are HP and archery.

BadFish May 6 2009 5:09 PM EDT

Thank you very much CC!

The reason I made the post was because I was confused how this single archer's DM was so powerful. I suspected that the DM was much larger than in usual single archer strats and simply wanted someone to do the math for me. >.<

Sickone May 6 2009 5:39 PM EDT

Hit Points 4,000,000
Strength 1,744,460
Dexterity 20
Archery 898,337
Dispel Magic 6,002,000

Those are MY raw levels :)
Ok, ok, "only" 47.466% into DM, but still :P
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