Is it actually worth training? (in General)


{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 31 2009 5:26 PM EDT

For the skill UC would i be better off putting the xp i normally put into it into str/dx? I am wondering as it takes 10k raw level to get a single point of UC.

Tal May 31 2009 5:27 PM EDT

Go look at my character....

three4thsforsaken May 31 2009 6:44 PM EDT

It really depends, but I can tell you that the potency of UC goes down as you increase in MPR. I recommend abandoning it after you hit 1 mil and 1.5 million MPR. Plan accordingly.

three4thsforsaken May 31 2009 6:47 PM EDT

looking at Tal:

in one round
Cricket bruised Canti [336205]
Cricket tapped Canti [332131]

With 4 million in str and who knows in UC. A MM could out damage that with less exp investment.

Flamey May 31 2009 8:34 PM EDT

You get doubles and triples with UC. Can't do that with MM. I also didn't know there was MM around that did 700k+.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 31 2009 8:36 PM EDT

Chaos's familiar's Magic Missile hit Sophist [885787]

Even with me casting a 0.46 AMF on it, plus a +40 MgS, plus the RoBF DD reduction.

QBRanger May 31 2009 8:37 PM EDT

Dudemus' JKF gets quints vs me in melee.

QBsutekh137 May 31 2009 8:46 PM EDT

Dudemus's JFK flat out beats me now. It's really a special time for everyone!

QBRanger May 31 2009 9:23 PM EDT

Well with respect to the JKF, he does have a large AMF and EC.

As well as a decent amount of native hp on his minions.

I am sure the EC is the difference in battle.

three4thsforsaken May 31 2009 9:38 PM EDT

That's strange, Dude only gets triple hits on me and I only have 130 evasion with no dex.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 31 2009 9:43 PM EDT

214 bonus to hit minus 130 equals 84. melee base to hit for uc is 50 and i have dex advantage.

Cube June 1 2009 1:22 AM EDT

'That's strange, Dude only gets triple hits on me and I only have 130 evasion with no dex.'

Your pure evasion is more useful because of EC.

Flamey June 1 2009 1:29 AM EDT

UC is very useful. You're a tank with a ranged weapon. You're not a melee kid and you're not an archer kid, you do both. For UC, your main priority is ST. You train UC/ST mostly considering you get a ton of PTH from UC you barely need much DX.

Enter, JW/GL/OB - UC kings.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 1 2009 2:09 AM EDT

Thank you people for the advice

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 1 2009 2:18 AM EDT

Dude, you only have 214 pth with your UC on your JKF? I didn't realize my UC had passed yours up as I have 220 pth now.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 1 2009 5:46 AM EDT

While you need about 9K to see the first (1) of UC, which can be quite daunting as a new character (before Gi/HG boosts), it's still worth training UC, as it will increase your Evasion from UC, as this isn't tied into the UC Effect, but rather the Level, which is divided by 3 and converted into Evasion.

So a 6K UC would give a 2K Evasion for about an Evasion of (8), while still leaving your with UC (0).

;)

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 1 2009 5:55 AM EDT

didn't know that part GL, thank you very much

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 1 2009 6:01 AM EDT

Your welcome! :D Glad I could help!

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] June 1 2009 1:36 PM EDT

It shouldn't be worth training uc yet, what are you getting from the gi/hg? over 200k levels I guess while your combined HP/DX/ST is only around 100k...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 1 2009 1:44 PM EDT

" Dude, you only have 214 pth with your UC on your JKF? I didn't realize my UC had passed yours up as I have 220 pth now."

yeppers, going to bloodlust instead of uc knocked it down quite a bit but i do think the extra damage is well worth it.
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