Can we chat a bit out Leadership? (in General)

I think it sucks. I really dislike it. Perhaps I am biased due to the exbow, however, it really sucks.

Why?

It gives free PTH, DD and Strength for well-Free.

It would not be bad to have to play the PTH/DB/Evasion game if it were on equal footing.

However, when one has to try to avoid being hit ONE time with an exbow, leadership really makes it impossible to play on equal footing.

I know you can kill the first minion and get rid of it, but by that time, you have been hit with the exbow and lost most if not all your strength.

It is yet another thing single minion characters cannot benefit from.

I would prefer to just remove the extra PTH and leave the increase to DD and strength. As those both increase damage. Tanks right now are double dipping with increased PTH and strength, while mages only get an increase in DD.

Just a rant by me. Please feel free to post if you can do so with a nice calm response.

I strongly disagree. The problem is not with extra accuracy, it is with the current state of the crossbows.

I agree.

However with the current state of these weapons, leadership is a huge problem.

But it's not Leadership that's the problem. It's like saying PL has a big problem right now, so let's get rid of AC.

This is exactly the kind of indirect fix that I've come out against in the past. When something needs to be tweaked, we shouldn't buff or nerf everything around it to accommodate it. We should fix what's broken.

Versus the Exbow, Leadership is clearly at a disadvantage.

When the Exbow would be fixed, would you still say it would suck?

Well it seems the exbow will not get changed much from the structure it currently has.

Therefore in this case, leadership is quite powerful in that it gives people the ability to hit that one time to drain a tanks strength.

Overpowered in its entirety? No of course not.

Overpowered when used with an exbow? I believe so. How can you make tanks miss when they get up to +30ish free PTH from leadership items? And it takes 1-2 hits to do in your opponent.

^that just sums it up for yourself. Leadership works fine. You don't like the exbow. *continues down the same road*

It is more than just the exbow.

Tanks get a double dip of goodness with leadership. More PTH and strength. While mages only get more DD.

Even though the problem is magnified with the exbow, which you are correct in your assessment of my thoughts on it, it still is more powerful for use by tanks than mages.

I do think to balance it better, and of course help with the exbow, losing its PTH addition would be advised.

Or alternatively, get rid of the strength addition.

But keep 1 of the 2 for tanks compared to 1 for the mages.

"Tanks get a double dip of goodness with leadership. More PTH and strength. While mages only get more DD. "

Mages have plenty of other items that help them out, and aren't susceptible to things like Evasion or DBs.

I think Leadership is fine where it is.

LB,

I see your point.

Then I will stick with my exbow is crap thoughts.