tsk tsk Kanye (in Off-topic)

Incase you didn't watch the VMA, Taylor Swift won the Best Female Video and as she was making her speech, Kanye walked up to the stage, took the mic, and proclaimed that Beyoncé should have won the award, leaving Taylor Swift standing there speechless. Opinion aside, Kanye's actions were just plain rude and ridiculous.

Oh, and I adore Taylor Swift.

Isn't Kanye regularly ridiculous?

Better go check YouTube!

As ridiculous as spell checker.

/me hates all those people/singers whatever they are hahaha.

You dislike celebrities?

Yeah pretty much. dont see all the fuss....

Can't say I care much for Taylor. Does she write her own stuff? (honest question).

But decorum is another matter. Kanye's a tool.

Sounds to me like security should have "escorted him away" for being a troublemaker. He just wants attention and now he gets it.

To me, this all sounds planned out so they get more popularity, or to make people feel sorry for taylor and buy her... uhh.. music if you can call it that...

Tool or not he is right Beyonce can sing circles around Taylor Swift even with her own songs. She, just like Pattie LaBell, Has a full 8 Octive Range. Taylor is lucky to be able to utilize her 4 Octive Range as well as she does.

Still I agree Kanye should not have been suck a tool in voicing that the way he did, he does not have any couth.

B can sing, that's a fact!

Who cares who can sing better. The fact is Taylor Swift won it, and Kayne shouldn't have done what he did. Bye bye to him. Imagine how she felt after that, and if you were in her shoes.

Wait, 8 octave range? She is the world record holder?

I know Beyonce can sing, but I don't think she holds the world record (which is eight octaves...)

"Tool or not he is right Beyonce can sing circles around Taylor Swift even with her own songs."

"Taylor Swift won the Best Female Video"

I think a music video should be a little more than scantily clad women gyrating. But that's just me. :)

And does this surprise anybody? It's Kanye West, it's not like he hasn't done similar things before.

Even pianos don't have an 8 octave range.

"Taylor Swift by the age of eighteen has achieved more in her musical career than most can dream of. Some of these achievements include: a triple platinum certification for her debut album, aptly titled ﾓTaylor Swiftﾔ, a CMA Award, an ACM Award, a Grammy nomination and six top ten singles as well as the well earned respect of Nashville and the wider country music community."
(from http://www.thenashvillesound.net/taylor-swift/ )

And yes, she writes her own songs. And yes Beyonce is talented also. And yes, Kayne is a total tool.

Taylor Swift writes all of her own songs. I just watched the video and I felt pretty bad for her. Reports are saying that she was crying hysterically afterward. Sucks.

LMBO.
And not the most official or scientific page, but it's just about the average answer on the net so until someone can find proof different...

Beyonce actually is a mezzo-soprano, and she has a 3.5 octave range.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_beyonce_an_alto_or_soprano



(8 octaves... giggle snort)

They're replaying the awards right now, and I just saw Krapye West's disrespectful, tasteless, and blatantly racist outburst. I think he is about as useless a human being as one can get.

I think he and Joe Wilson should start a support group for people with a tendency for rude outbursts. And with any luck, someone will toss a live grenade into their first group meeting.

Kanye West: what a pig.

Mariah Carey has 5 octaves. Can Beyonce sing higher and lower than her? I think not. Though she does have a beautiful voice, and she knows how to use the range she's got.

Video, Video, Video. IMHO most of Taylor's videos are better than Beyonce's, and don't get me wrong, I love Beyonce. Halo could quite possibly be one of my favorite songs, but even that video is rather bland. Kanye, you got talent, but I recommend some classes in etiquette.

you have talent*, don't want Bast to flip on me XD.

yep, video. And in my opinion Kanye, (cause I just know he's reading this) it's time to move past "pretty darn good dancing" vids. Cause that's what that Single Ladies vid was, right... just pretty darn good dancing?

It's funny cause so much will be thrown about comparing Taylor to Beyonce when it was the animal formerly known as Kanye that started this mess.

It's almost ironic that of all people, he jumped into Taylor Swift's moment, a girl of 18 (?) who is already proving herself not to be some flash in the pan. A girl who is incredibly talented. A girl who may very well out last the animal's need for attention with both talent and self respect.

I stand Corrected:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ugqcA2ibwo

This Shows a Breakdown of Beyonce's Vocal Talent.

In Studio: 3.6 Octaves, Live:3.3 - 3.5
Vocal Range: Bb2-C#6(Many Argue A2-E6 though....)


Beyonce has been classified as a full soprano(It means anything Soprano including mixes she can sing it). She is capable of employing intricate melismata, and this technique is a central feature of her sound.

Taylor Swift:

1 Octive Monotone from what I can get so far although I do not think that is entirely true as I have heard her project quite well in American Idol :-/

http://blog.cmt.com/2009-08-06/taylor-swifts-other-you-belong-with-me-video/

Zenai, go compare apples and melon-heads somewhere else.

Please find me a clip of this American Idol appearance of Taylors.
...
Go ahead, I'll be waiting.

Beyonce may very well sing better. And she's been getting CO-AUTHOR credit on her songs. That's awesome B.

"19-year old Taylor, who writes all of her own material, released her now
quadruple-platinum self-titled debut CD in October of 2006 on Big Machine
Records, and followed it up with the Fearless album two years later. Fearless
was the country's top selling album for the first 33 weeks of this year, and
now has sales of more than 4 million copies in the US and Gold and Platinum
certifications in fourteen countries spanning five continents."

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS238032+08-Sep-2009+PRN20090908

I'm not going to make this anymore about Beyonce and Taylor than it's already become, as Beyonce seemed to be sitting (possibly) shocked at the animal's actions at the show.

I say to you, GOOD DAY.-

Oh, and Green Day rocked the bloody house down!

What did they sing? 21 Guns?

j'bob:

1. Calm down I admitted that I was wrong thankyou very much. I said I was wrong when I was wrong and even posted an accurate correction. How much more do you want from me j'bob?

2. Maybe if you didn't get so Riled up about what I posted you would see that on Taylors side I just couldn't find anything concrete so freaking get over it. I looked more for her stuff than I did for Beyonce's that should say something right there. On American Idol she did do quite well as far as I was concerned and if you had paid attention to my post you would have seen that I said exactly that.

3. If you really want to compare the two you will see that Beyonce has years of time on Taylor and it is no contest....Beyonce would win hands down on her accomplishments list. You will have to get over that as well there bud. There is no way around that except to see just how far Taylor is gonna be able to go with her career.

4.I could care less about either to be honest. I just happen to know one has a better, long standing proven voice and list of accomplishments than the other: Beyonce


Just as a quick reference from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonce

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift

Go Chew on that and quit attempting to attack me because you are in puppy love with Taylor Swift.

To you I say Good Night.

And for the record again, Kanye was very very wrong for doing what he did! He should be banned from future musical Awards gatherings for a few years maybe that will teach him to shut his mouth at the appropriate time.

"What did they sing? 21 Guns?"

Better. East Jesus Nowhere.

... Who... Cares....

Taylor Swift Sucks.

Kokane West Sucks.

Pop music Sucks.

Quit being baaaah sheeple and listen to some "good" music.

Waiter, there's pretentiousness in my soup!

Kanye sucks as a person, but the man knows how to throw down a tune. He's a genius lyrical wordsmith, son.

Hey Jir, put yourself on stage accepting an award for an accomplishment for your career... don't care if you suck or not. That guy is off his rocker stupid. And so is his petty ridunkulous apology.

I can't stand either of them. (Swift, Beyonce, and Kanye). For a female vocalist, I prefer...
Tarja!

It is important to recognize that while Beyonce has worked a great deal on her voice, most of what she does with it sounds like vocal exercises.

"I think he and Joe Wilson should start a support group for people with a tendency for rude outbursts. And with any luck, someone will toss a live grenade into their first group meeting. "

Just could not keep politics out of it LB?

And yes Kanye is a pig.

What this guy wrote hit the nail on the head:

Kanye = Boo!

Beyonce = Classy!

Taylor = Vindicated!


http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/hiphopmediatraining/171413/kanye-west-has-truly-lost-it-this-time/

Zenai. Zenai Zenai Zenai. You're so glib.
...


Listen bud. I'm not attacking you at all. And I quickly remember what I liked and didn't like about this place after I started posting when I said to myself I was done, but I digress.

Not attacking you Zenai. Now get over it. Even after you "stood corrected" you went on to compare vocal talent between two people when the situation arose over one animal's comments about a video. I just find that funny. But if you like Beyonce that much you SHOULD stand up for her. Me, I do like her, I just don't go in for her hype. Puppy love? Nah. But I do like Swift's talent and ability. Yes B already has a much longer list of accomplishments over the 18 yo. The 18 yo who already has awards that B will prolly never get (BMI, look those up). And with any luck Swift has a very long career ahead of her. Or maybe not. Either way, my iTunes won't suffer too much.

And I just get irritated when people post out once side of their cavity. I asked about the Idol clip because... as far as I know, she's NEVER (ever?) been on Idol.
I will happily stand corrected if you can show me.
I think there was more, but honestly I tired of this 5 mins ago.

And to you I say...
;p

"Quit being baaaah sheeple and listen to some "good" music."

So, if I listen to you I'm not a sheep? Maybe I should reconsider..

So, I think this shows a big reason why I don't like OVERLY famous people. I feel bad for Taylor though. She's one of the few singer/songwriters out there that I like in the spotlight.

So, what's Kanye's talent then. Figured I'd ask since we talked about the ladies :).

After all this I felt bad that with all this Beyonce talk, the best part has been left out (i think, i don't remember seeing it up there.. and i didn't watch the show)

Evidentially, later when B won her own award she talked about how she felt when she was 17 (?) winning her first award and then she called Swift but up and gave Swift her (B's) time for accepting.

Now that is classy. Big big kudo's to B. She could have just dismissed it or even just apologized for someone else's craptastic actions that threw her into the mix.

Well done Beyonce, well done indeed.

Agreed,

What Beyonce did was classly. How Taylor handled things showed she is lightyears more mature than her real age.

Again, Kanye is a pig. He was likely drunk and on some nice weed at the time.

How would he have liked it if someone else interruped his speech when he won a VMA to say 50 cent should have won?

But I guess one should except nothing more from an uneducated idiot who due to a singing ability, comes into fame and fortune.

He can sing? I thought his fame came from mixing beats and writing lyrics about how amazing he is.

Disrespect as pop culture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKIcrDsJAs

MARLFOX!!! YES!!! TARJA!!! Now THERE is talent. Marl +10!! but don't leave out Simone Simons (Epica)...

Anyways, I youtubed this "incident" last night before bed, and it wasn't even that bad... Rude? Yeah, what do you expect from him though? It was likely just a stunt like the whole Bruno/Eminem thing...

Either way Marl wins.

"Just could not keep politics out of it LB?"

Just exercising what I learned so well from you, Ranger.

Moving on.

STOP PRESS: CB forum hits a new low.

This thread degenerated into a fight about Taylor Swift 'vs Beyonce!?

My head hurts, where did all the "intelligent" conversation go?

I remember when we used to debate the finer points of life.
e.g. Pirates being "better" than Ninjas.

Well we got passed that like 2 years ago when the argument came up that a ninja has ample opportunity to just kill said pirates in their drunken sleep...

Cake is better than pie.

LB,

At least when I do it, it has some relevance to the conversation at hand.

Children children, lets show that we've got more decorum then the subject of the thread!

You're all acting like Kanye XD.

Pirates are clearly superior to ninjas.

Possibly, but ninjas can easily kill pirates at will...

Pirates have guns, game over.

Only when it comes to picking up women like Keira Knightley.

Kanye is the best musician evar, even if he's a completely noob.

Pirates get drunk and fall asleep, and ninjas are ASSASSINS...

Drunk sleeping pirate = easy kill..

Pirates are also on ships. Even if a ninja kills one, he has nowhere to go.

let's not forget the long term sustainability....

ninjas.... solitary and hard to find

pirates.... enjoy 'wench-ing'

gotta figure the pirates will more successfully self perpetuate...


Anyway... on the original topic
Kanye has proven that he is a self-important moron,
Beyonce has prove that she is classy (and really, really hot),
And this thread has proven that even the intellectuals of CB not beyond the draw of pop culture.

Listening to TARJA as I type this. I Walk Alone. Is that who you're talking about? Is that song typical of her sound. She does sound quite nice. Oddly enough when I googled her, at the bottom of the page... it listed as related searches...
Nightwish.
Good gracious why do I recognize that name marly? hmm?
Any who, she's not bad. I suppose I'm even more of a sheeple now that I've heard her and do not instantly run out and buy everything she has. (sarcasm)
I think NWA were groundbreaking.
As was Tribe Called Quest for they're own reasons.
I grew up on the likes of bands with dudes with names like Carl Palmer, Steve Howe, Keith Moon, Andrew Latimer and yes, Jimmy Page.
I think Public Enemy really did have a message.
I danced to Vanilla Ice at some point I'm sure.
I got mighty intoxicated to The Cure and Depeche Mode.
I'm not sure anyone can write like George Ivan Morrison.
It made me sad to think Bruce Dickenson thought he was better than Iron Maiden.
Yes. Metallica will transcend time and space.
Elvis IS the King.
Aretha is the Queen.
The Beatles may very well have changed the world.
I love P!nk
Dr. Dre is a genius.
No one may ever duplicate what George Strait has done.


And I have both Beyonce and Taylor Swift in my iTunes.

oh. and Cake > pirates + ninjas + pie

done and done.

Yeah, I'd listen to Tarja if I liked boring, slow, sad music that put me to sleep. This is coming from a guy who listens to like every genre. Ska, pop, rap, country, name it I listen to it. But, I'm not listening to this crap. I enjoying songs I don't even understand 10x more than this, i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnaeImQ0TSg and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OzWIFX8M-Y .

Time to be honest. I never liked Tarja's solo sound, but she rocks with Nightwish.

j'bob I could go on with this but it seems you bypass things to see what you wish in every post I have made. So I will say you are a pretentious little Jerk and let it go with that.

BTW Here is your thread j'bob Via IMDB

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2357847/

Taylor Swift on American Idol as a Guest Singer Scroll down to #41 if you would like, that is where it starts. Otherwise follow the link Below.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1171394/

You can Google the rest if you are not satisfied, honestly I could give a care less.

"LB, At least when I do it, it has some relevance to the conversation at hand."

A.) I've seen you do it before out of context.

B.) It was relevant. Two rude outbursts by people I hate in the same week; the coincidence here need not go uncommented on.

C.) It's not like this thread is really on topic anyway. Who has a wider octave range? Ninjas? Pirates? CAKE??? Either way, pirates lose.

D.) This thread should really be about how great Green Day was. It's up on youtube right now, but I can't give you guys the link because of the stupid language restrictions we have here.

E.) Cake or ninjas > pirates. But pirates > Kanye West.

What kind of pirates are we talking about here? Because if 2009 has taught us anything its that Snipers > Pirates.

So the question remains, snipers or ninjas?

Spartans defeat ninjas, both Spartan and Sniper start with the letter "S", therefore I assert Snipers>Ninjas.

What was the topic of this thread again? Oh well... the new topic is better. ;)

Anyone see his apology speech on Leno's opening show tonight? Hilarious. It almost looked like [Kanye] was going to cry.

George Strait? Really? Same post as Jimmy Page?

What has happened to Buddy Lee?

hahahahahaha

"Anyone see his apology speech on Leno's opening show tonight? Hilarious. It almost looked like [Kanye] was going to cry."

He should have.

What a turd. (Insert un-PG name where "turd" appears.)

Krapye West's Crap "apology":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrSg7nALbDM

He's still a [turd]. Replace the word "turd" with the un-PG word of your choice.

I still think he's a racist, and deserves not one tiny fraction of our sympathy or respect. If another black female artist had won that award, none of us would be here right now.

His comment was made out of racism, pure and simple. He is as disgusting a public figure as Strom Thurmond or any other white supremacist that seems to draw the bulk of the hate on this issue.

One thousand woes to Kanye West. Let us curse his name until the end of time.

Triple post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/obama-kanye-is-a-jackass_n_286623.html

I'll pay the bloody fine if it means getting not one, but two points across.

Can you shut up, please? That's probably the most sincere apology I've seen from a celebrity. Saying he's racist is a bit out of line.. Just because they're both black and both friends doesn't mean they hate white people.

"Can you shut up, please?"

What for? He's useless. And a racist.

"That's probably the most sincere apology I've seen from a celebrity."

Not that I've seen. It was crap. He knows he screwed up, everyone hates him for it, and now he's backtracking. It was about as sincere as the poop I took about three hours ago.

"Saying he's racist is a bit out of line.."

Bull crap. Like I said, he would NEVER have done that if another black female artist had beaten Beyonce.

Oh, and Beyonce's video sucked. It's not like I'm a Taylor Swift fan (though she is stupidly hot), and from a musical perspective, I don't care. But Beyonce's video was terrible compared to Taylor's

Kanye's just a racist. Simple as that.

Kanye's agent: "80% of your record sales are by white girls, better get on Leno"

I'm sure you're right Flamey, race had nothing to do with it... just like Michael Richards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3l-gRHjUNk

^exaggerated of course, but even Obama said something about this which I agree with, first time ever for me.

He's not useless. His moozik RAWKS HARD, SON.

wow i can't believe that there's this much of a discussion about this.
IMO they all stink. Sure Taylor is easy on the eyes. I can watch her video if the volume is all the way off and some Slipknot is jamming on my stereo, same with Beyonce. As far as Kanye goes, meh he's a tool at best, you can't expect anything but behavior like this from a tool.

Wow, go Obama, the man sure does no how to put it elegantly.

know* (and yes, I'm being serious, I wish I could have seen that video!)

How do you know he would have NEVER done that? That's stupid. Well, he was pretty lost for words and stuttering. So I'd say it's a lot more sincere than a memorised script.

And when even Hitler hate you, your really in the potty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0PwqvwyG54

Wow Lord Bob, you must be a racist.

Zenai.
You sir, are an idiot. :)
Seriously. I never attacked you and I certainly never called you a name. Until now. Idiot.

Your links are to the IMDB listing for when Taylor Swift appeared as a guest. In the audience. Not as a singer. Again, I've looked for proof of it and can't find it because I'm 99 percent sure it doesn't exist. I will stand corrected as I said if you come up with something that actually PROVES something other than she sat in the audience. Idiot.

I used to like coming here because people knew how to disagree without getting nasty. I stopped coming here as much (partly) because it seemed that people were forgetting how to do that.

Threads like this used to open up avenues to new stuff. I would not have listened to say, Nightwish, had this thread not brought it up. And I did like what I listened to.
But you're gonna call ME a little jerk because I ask you to prove what you're throwing around. Sounds like an idiot to me.


Fine me ban me forum ban me ... whatever. I don't care.
It's really sad what's happened here. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sees it. I'm prolly just the only one who's had enough because the game itself doesn't hold much for me.

Zenai, also, while you are finding me the clip of Taylor Swift (with whom I am in the deepest of love) performing on American Idol... please also find the performances of the following as they too are listed on the IMBD page...

Quentin Tarantino
Kobe Bryant
Jimmy Kimmel
Brad Pitt
Martina McBride



(he he he, just kidding, I threw that last one, Martina, in there so that you could not TOTALLY fail. She did perform)

MAD MANIACAL CACKLING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Wow Lord Bob, you must be a racist."

That's the stupidest thing I've read all day. And I've read some really, really stupid things today.

Pirates are also on ships. Even if a ninja kills one, he has nowhere to go.

--Admin{CB1}Slayer333, September 14 4:08 PM EDT

A ninja would just kill them all...

I second lord bob, not on Kanye West being racist, but that being the stupids thing I've heard all day.

Thanks Art!

Stupidest*, and no problem man, some people are just "thick."

Your sarcasm detector is back from the repair shop.

I doubt LB is a racist.

However he is pointing out a double standard between the cultures.

OK, this thread has run it's distance and I'm closing it as there's be little positive contribution to either the original topic, or my vain attempt of a hijack for quite some time :)

I've also issued several CM "warnings" to various users regarding personal insults - there's no place for that on CB.