Steel Skin (in General)
October 29 2009 6:21 PM EDT
The description was a little vague. Does steel skin affect all minions or just the minion it is trained on. And if it's only the minion that it is trained on, is it still dispellable?
October 29 2009 6:23 PM EDT
Spells effect all minions. ED spells effect your minions, while EO spells effect your enemies minions.
Skills effect only the minion training them.
Since SS is a ED spell, it is dispellable via DM.
Minion it is trained on and yes it is susceptible to DM.
October 29 2009 6:25 PM EDT
So the part in the description where it talks about the break even point for Walls, 183 and 203 or whatever. It's talking about single minions. If you wanted to, you could just train SS on a different minion than the Wall so you don't take XP away from him training HP.
October 29 2009 6:25 PM EDT
Ok thanks Zenai, that's what I thought.
October 29 2009 6:26 PM EDT
Yes Wraith. You certainly can do that and a lot of people do.
Remember you have to train it to the 1/8th level of your minion you want to get the full effect HP. Or whatever the level is now. I have not used it ever since it was made a ED.
Useless it be. Especially with all the DM characters out there now.
I have always been under the assumption that it was for only the minion it is trained on. I have used it only once and only seen it affect that particular minion. I may have not gauged it right though. I would say look up the Top people that use SS and ask them for full info via CM.
Wraith, SS affects all minions, *NOT* just the one it's trained one. So, if you have enough SS that it is 1/8 of your largest minions HP, then all of your minions will have their armor returned to its old efficiency. Only downside is SS is dispel-able.
October 29 2009 6:32 PM EDT
And when it's only trained to 1/8th the max HP of your largest minion, it is very weak vs DM because that's not alot of XP. Thanks for the help with this skill, i'll have to examine if I actually want to use it or not, i don't like picking up something that might not be worth the cost.
October 29 2009 7:00 PM EDT
Ranger and Titan are right. Zenai is wrong. Steal Skin effects all friendly minions.
October 29 2009 7:06 PM EDT
Also: SS effect is based on the target minion's hp, not the caster's. So to get the full effect on 20 hp enchanter/walls buffed by Ablative Shield, all you need is a base SS. High intrinsic hp walls need a large SS to benefit. The real downside in the case of the 20 hp enchanters is that it takes up an Enchant Defense slot, not that it takes a lot of experience.
Since you have two 20 hp enchanters with decent AC, it might be worth it to add a base SS, if you don't mind losing the spell slot.
October 29 2009 7:30 PM EDT
the "breakeven" point is also (and has always been) rubbish due to a slew of other possible factors. Unless you're working with a single minion, using Armor and SS with no other outside factors (like enemy DM or other forms of reduction on your team), strictly against physical damage, your results on efficiency will vary. Greatly...
As Ranger said, spells are cast on all minions, and SS being a spell is no exception. Enemy DM Dispels all of your enchant defenses, and SS being an ED spell is no exception. And while I wouldn't chalk up SS as "useless", it is very much in the style of it's predecessor, Protection. At least in the sense that the extra damage reduction can definitely turn the tide in a battle, but don't count on it, as it becomes extremely fidgety when there is *any* DM present ;)
October 29 2009 7:35 PM EDT
Well as it stands right now, I prefer fighting people with DM, in fact for awhile I had 0 EDs just so that I could farm DM targets more effectively. But then I got rid of all of my magic damage so AMF targets are now just as good as DM targets for me, so I started training AS again, we'll see if I take SS higher than base, but for 960 it's definately worth protecting my 20 HP enchanters
If you are gonna be fighting DM Teams you may want to look into Armor Proficiency. Unlike Steel Skin (Which I was wrong about), it cannot be Dispelled as it is a Skill. It may be more worthwhile for Time and Exp Investment.
October 29 2009 7:59 PM EDT
Problem with that is I have PL on my Wall and Evasion on my "Tank"
"AS again, we'll see if I take SS higher than base, but for 960 it's definitely worth protecting my 20 HP enchanters"
Don't need to put it on your Wall and Tank, just your Enchanters after all you said that would be worth it for them with Steel Skin same investment but it is a one time thing, at least if they have some kind of Armor on, it takes away their Penalties. :-D
October 29 2009 8:09 PM EDT
Yeah, thanks for pointing that out, probably also a good 960 investment.
From my experiences, the ratio of steel skin to hp seems to be closer to 1/10.
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