Steel Skin (in General)

Wraithlin October 29 2009 6:21 PM EDT

The description was a little vague. Does steel skin affect all minions or just the minion it is trained on. And if it's only the minion that it is trained on, is it still dispellable?

QBRanger October 29 2009 6:23 PM EDT

Spells effect all minions. ED spells effect your minions, while EO spells effect your enemies minions.

Skills effect only the minion training them.

Since SS is a ED spell, it is dispellable via DM.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] October 29 2009 6:23 PM EDT

Minion it is trained on and yes it is susceptible to DM.

Wraithlin October 29 2009 6:25 PM EDT

So the part in the description where it talks about the break even point for Walls, 183 and 203 or whatever. It's talking about single minions. If you wanted to, you could just train SS on a different minion than the Wall so you don't take XP away from him training HP.

Wraithlin October 29 2009 6:25 PM EDT

Ok thanks Zenai, that's what I thought.

QBRanger October 29 2009 6:26 PM EDT

Yes Wraith. You certainly can do that and a lot of people do.

Remember you have to train it to the 1/8th level of your minion you want to get the full effect HP. Or whatever the level is now. I have not used it ever since it was made a ED.

Useless it be. Especially with all the DM characters out there now.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] October 29 2009 6:28 PM EDT

I have always been under the assumption that it was for only the minion it is trained on. I have used it only once and only seen it affect that particular minion. I may have not gauged it right though. I would say look up the Top people that use SS and ask them for full info via CM.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] October 29 2009 6:29 PM EDT

Wraith, SS affects all minions, *NOT* just the one it's trained one. So, if you have enough SS that it is 1/8 of your largest minions HP, then all of your minions will have their armor returned to its old efficiency. Only downside is SS is dispel-able.

Wraithlin October 29 2009 6:32 PM EDT

And when it's only trained to 1/8th the max HP of your largest minion, it is very weak vs DM because that's not alot of XP. Thanks for the help with this skill, i'll have to examine if I actually want to use it or not, i don't like picking up something that might not be worth the cost.

Lord Bob October 29 2009 7:00 PM EDT

Ranger and Titan are right. Zenai is wrong. Steal Skin effects all friendly minions.

Lord Bob October 29 2009 7:06 PM EDT

Also: SS effect is based on the target minion's hp, not the caster's. So to get the full effect on 20 hp enchanter/walls buffed by Ablative Shield, all you need is a base SS. High intrinsic hp walls need a large SS to benefit. The real downside in the case of the 20 hp enchanters is that it takes up an Enchant Defense slot, not that it takes a lot of experience.

Since you have two 20 hp enchanters with decent AC, it might be worth it to add a base SS, if you don't mind losing the spell slot.

TheHatchetman October 29 2009 7:30 PM EDT

the "breakeven" point is also (and has always been) rubbish due to a slew of other possible factors. Unless you're working with a single minion, using Armor and SS with no other outside factors (like enemy DM or other forms of reduction on your team), strictly against physical damage, your results on efficiency will vary. Greatly...

As Ranger said, spells are cast on all minions, and SS being a spell is no exception. Enemy DM Dispels all of your enchant defenses, and SS being an ED spell is no exception. And while I wouldn't chalk up SS as "useless", it is very much in the style of it's predecessor, Protection. At least in the sense that the extra damage reduction can definitely turn the tide in a battle, but don't count on it, as it becomes extremely fidgety when there is *any* DM present ;)

Wraithlin October 29 2009 7:35 PM EDT

Well as it stands right now, I prefer fighting people with DM, in fact for awhile I had 0 EDs just so that I could farm DM targets more effectively. But then I got rid of all of my magic damage so AMF targets are now just as good as DM targets for me, so I started training AS again, we'll see if I take SS higher than base, but for 960 it's definately worth protecting my 20 HP enchanters

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] October 29 2009 7:50 PM EDT

If you are gonna be fighting DM Teams you may want to look into Armor Proficiency. Unlike Steel Skin (Which I was wrong about), it cannot be Dispelled as it is a Skill. It may be more worthwhile for Time and Exp Investment.

Wraithlin October 29 2009 7:59 PM EDT

Problem with that is I have PL on my Wall and Evasion on my "Tank"

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] October 29 2009 8:04 PM EDT

"AS again, we'll see if I take SS higher than base, but for 960 it's definitely worth protecting my 20 HP enchanters"

Don't need to put it on your Wall and Tank, just your Enchanters after all you said that would be worth it for them with Steel Skin same investment but it is a one time thing, at least if they have some kind of Armor on, it takes away their Penalties. :-D

Wraithlin October 29 2009 8:09 PM EDT

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out, probably also a good 960 investment.

gols090 [forge of me] October 29 2009 9:17 PM EDT

From my experiences, the ratio of steel skin to hp seems to be closer to 1/10.
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