Ah, another NUB sellout (in General)

One can tell due to the fact the NUB ended about 1 month ago and his/her only character has no tattoo or items.

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002vkD

Rather disappointing.

The red tag fails in this case, as the NUB period has ended.

I'm interested to know how long the average gamer plays a game (not CB, but PC games in general) before moving on to something new.

There's no obvious hits when I google so I guess I'm using the wrong search string.

If it's 6 months, is it fair to give someone selling up after 8 months of CB game play a hard time ?

The funniest thing about this is that he spent 6 months getting this guy built, and is selling out for a grand total of $50.

Dude, part time at mcdonalds for 2 days.

It is nice to see him getting ignored though.

When Jon made the NUB, I believe he stated an average of 3-6 months is how long someone stays on an online game.

I don't know about the average person, but CB is one of the few games I see alot of people just play for roughly 6 months and then try to get real money for thier not-so-hard work. And the strangest part about it, it's not that much money either.

Most other games i've played similar to CB they either play for 2-3 weeks and then leave without so much as a goodbye, or they play for about a year or more, and then they usually just give thier stuff away for free since they are never coming back.

What's wrong with him selling his goodies after 8 months.

Why the McDonalds reference?
$50 is $50 whether you're earning a decent wage or not. Surely someone would be stupid to walk away from a free $50 just for the sake of a few FS/WTB posts ?

If the average lifetime of a gamer is 6 months on any one game, then the user linked in this instance has given CB more than an average commitment and is perfectly entitled to leave and sell what he's collected over his time here.

That is your opinion.

Time has nothing to do with it. It's all about intent, which is next to impossible to second guess.

I've said it a coule of times now, but this is the wrong focus.

Everyone should be entitled to do whatever they want, whenever they want with thier CB stuff. And we shouldn't judge nor foster predujice. It's what the extra cash reward is there for in the first place.

If the problem is with NUB sell outs, fix the *problem* not the sympton.

The big problem I have is the fact new players in CB get things handed to them that older players never had.

In the beginning if I played for 6 months, I would have been lucky to have made 2M CB.

But now, with the NUB at over 400%, they get millions of CB basically handed to them. Especially when the goal of the NUB is to give new players a chance at the top. Not to make money to sell out.

So when/if an older players decides to sell out and leave, their value is significantly lowered.

If someone had to pin me down, I would state that 2x the NUB time before selling out would be appropriate. That is playing for that time, not playing just the NUB and its super duper bonus then doing nothing for the next 6 months.

But this is just my view.

Ranger,
You don't agree that someone who plays longer than the norm, shows no signs of cheating as a multi, contributes >100 forum posts and doesn't appear to be overly controversial (after a quick look through his history) deserves to leave on his own terms without threads being created specifically identifying him as a "sellout" ?

Exactly, it's not like I played the game for months on end to make $50. I had fun. Now RL and bills are kicking my [Admin Edit]. What's your problem?

Beee,

No, I don't.

Especially when all his playing seems to be during that 6 month time of accelerated growth known as the NUB.

The NUB gives players an incentive to play the game to grow. But true players continue when the rewards go back to the snails pace they really are.

How is this person a real player when he leaves just after the NUB is over?

I would rather, if RL issues are involved, leave the account and come back later when those issues are over. Or just leave the account and all the accelerated money one acquired.

I would be very interested in how many of these NUB sellouts would play more than 1 week if there was no NUB. I would rather have that then the current play for 6 months then sell out.

And in fact, this persons last posts before selling out was Jun 27th.

Which means he really only played for 3 months before essentially stopped playing and/or contributing to the forums.

And made 18M over that short time.

Okay, I'm not a "real player" because I lasted 8 months. You win, your [Admin Edit] is far bigger than mine. Obviously you're a much more "real player" than I am.

>>So when/if an older players decides to sell out and leave, their
>>value is significantly lowered.

Right, so your argument is that I shouldn't be able to "sell out" because one day you might want to "sell out" and I'll lower your value? Just making that ridiculous point abundantly clear to you and everybody else.

Not to mention I stopped playing months before my NUB ran out, it's not like my NUB ran out and I gave up because my growth slowed down. I'm glad that you have a perfect life that never requires emergency money or sacrificing playing a game that you find very fun so that you don't lose your electricity, water or even your house. Maybe you'll never have to be put in the position where I'm in where [Admin Edit] who are upset over a video game rip on you for being a "sell out" and do their best to deter potential financial aid, however small, when you try to do something responsible to help remedy your real life problems.

No,

I am most upset that you were given an advanced system to play the game to help catch up to the top players but instead you played for a bit and then decided to use that system for financial gain.

You last post shows that you think you are entitled to some money from a virtual game which has a mechanism (however poor it be) designed to let you play catch-up. Not designed to let you make a profit off.

I am sorry you have RL issues. When I was a student, I often had them and never had a place like CB where one can come in and get "free" money for playing a game.

But if given a choice, I would much rather see people who have put time and effort into this game get money for their items/characters, than a person who plays for a little bit and expects a lot.

I'm not entitled to anything, I'm grasping for straws. Go to hell with your self-righteous attitude, [Admin Edit].

Beee has a good point, now that I read his post. 8 months probably is a pretty long time to stick around with a game.

NUB should be re-named "Entire Account Life Bonus" since it's been extended to last so long! Bahahahaaa

As much as I hate the N*B, I am getting rather tired of this witch hunt against former NUBs who leave the game.

There's plenty of other reasons to rip on Ranger. *smile*

That being said, I'd have to say that I feel rrowland's point is strong and well made. A summary point that I feel needs to be made is that sell-outs (I don't even like that term, it has a built-in negative ring to it even before getting into specifics) are a case-by-case thing. If they cease to be viewed as real people's lives, and instead are just viewed through circumstantial evidence and time-frames, then this has "witch-hunt" written all over it.

In other words, even if it does quack a little bit like a duck, people aren't ducks. They're real folks with real feelings, and this is supposed to be a game.

Ranger, whether or not you think this thread was appropriate, or maybe something not to be taken personally, it was, and I think you owe rr an apology.

I got a job when I was in college, to pay the bills.

You should think of getting one also. McDonalds always is looking for good burger flippers. Subway is looking for good sandwich makers.

But cursing in the forums is certainly not allowed, no matter how passionate you get.

I have a job, it's obviously not paying all my bills.

Hah, I remember working at subway back when I was like 18. Let the good times roll!

Did you steal sandwich card stamps? *smile* Had a buddy who eventually snagged a whole roll of those, but he ended up spending more time biking around to all the city's various Subway's because he didn't want to get caught using too many. I think it ended up being more trouble than it was worth!

rrowland, please watch your language to avoid further fines.

"Had a buddy who eventually snagged a whole roll of those, but he ended up spending more time biking around to all the city's various Subway's because he didn't want to get caught using too many. I think it ended up being more trouble than it was worth!"

Was his name Andy?

My first job (if you don't count my career as a child actor) was in the Cannng Town MacDonalds when I was 16 and studying for my A-levels.

Ah that was a life altering experience.

From never getting any 'stars' (as they would have to pay you more) do eveyone being on the computer system as part time (so you didn't get double time on Sundays), to being asked to come in and cook when my Chickenpox had scabbed over and was flaking off!

(Seriosuly! My manager suggested I just wrap my arms in bandages!)

I think we all had a buddy who worked at Subway who gave up free stamps.

I know I ate at Subway every day for over a year straight on those free stamps.

lol, naw it was funny because my first cousin was the manager, he GAVE me a roll >_<.

We actually (we being myself and the person I normally worked with) ended up giving out our free lunch a day to whoever ordered the steak sandwich meal (being the most expensive,like 8 bucks or something for the meal).

Basically we ring them up and charge them the normal price, wave the meal via free lunch, then slight of hand and boom, 2 dollars an hour raise for the day.

Never got caught since it never messed with the numbers, and the owner was a rich drunk old guy who owned like 15 locations and never checked anything.

Combined with the aftermarket tip cup we fashioned, and our innate ability to make a damn good sammy, on average we were splitting up a tip cup of about 20-30 bucks a day. Combined with the Meal thing (which you get 1 per 4 hours worked, on an 8 hour shift we were walking out with like... *shrug* 40 bucks extra on top of our normal pay.

Right? Likely not. Worth it? Totally.

Nope, his name wasn't Andy, though I could change it to that to protect the guilty. *smile*

My first job was working on the farm since I was born and could do worthwhile tasks. Pay sucked, too, as the minimum wage in our little nation was $0.00 per hour (though I did get the hand-me-down car when I went to college...)

My first job was at Subway.

Now one of my friends that I worked with is district manager. And he pulls in some bloody good money doing it.

Sad to see rrowland leave, and he pissed me off more than anyone.

Ranger... you're going to give yourself a fit if you don't start picking your battles. You're fighting a war on eleven fronts by my count, and at some point one of those is going to get ya.

See, this is why I just choose to hate all sell outs. Then, I don't have to worry about how long you've been here. It's a game and should be taken as such. If you need money, your time would be much better spent not playing CB. IF you REALLY REALLY need the money, I wouldn't approve of your selling out, but I would understand. CB should never be seen as an outlet for money when you're done with it.

Let's hope you're not in the same situation one day, then.

Wow, Titan, so you hate me?

You're still here aren't you? The main part of selling out I don't like is the part when person leaves. I mean, I think it would've been cool for you to keep your money. But, what matters is that you're still here. Maybe I can't handle people leaving me. *Smile*

OK. I think that is an important distinction, because we have no idea what a fella like rrowland is going to do next. Trying to figure out why folks do what they do, or what they are going to do next, is as worthless as having a "worth" discussion.

When it comes to selling out, it's always the same excuses. Lost my job/real life issues/dont like the game/ etc..(insert lame excuse here).

Since my start in CB1, I've moved 4 times had 5 different jobs, and suffered bouts of inactiveness due to financial problems. Did I sell out. No....

And rrowland didn't even buy his supportership. he traded for it..

Guess that Supposed Computer programing job he had was a bunch of lies to.

Ya rrowland, I remember our arguements and how you bragged on how great your life was. And now at the end of it all, your doing exactly what I told you you were going to do.

So nice try and good luck selling whatever.

"Ranger, whether or not you think this thread was appropriate, or maybe something not to be taken personally, it was, and I think you owe rr an apology."

rrowland made it personal... Until 3:36, Ranger's voiced concerns were no different than what he and many others (including myself), had been voicing concerns about for years... I believe rr owes himself an apology.

BEDEMIR: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
CROWD: Burn, burn them up!
BEDEMIR: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEMIR: So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of wood...?
BEDEMIR: Good!
CROWD: Oh yeah, yeah...
BEDEMIR: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEMIR: Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #2: Oh, yeah.
BEDEMIR: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No, no.
VILLAGER #2: It floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond!
BEDEMIR: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Great gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches -- churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead -- lead!
ARTHUR: A duck.
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEMIR: Exactly! So, logically...,
VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
BEDEMIR: And therefore--?
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
CROWD: A witch!
BEDEMIR: We shall use my larger scales!

another N.U.B selling out..

Working as Intended

Perhaps the best post in this entire thread :)

OddBird, Ranger made it personal in the opening post, man.

"http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002vkD "

Remember that? Doesn't get more personal.

I'm sorry. If someone isn't a proven multi, it's their money. If they've played for exactly the length for their NUB, and sell out, how is it worse than someone who plays for 5 years and then sells out? Their end impact is the same, honestly.

The INTENT behind it does NOT matter. When you go out to eat, do you not tip a waiter because he "may" spend that money on cocaine? It's HIS money, HIS time, HIS game and really none of anyone else's business what he does it with.

Selling out is selling out. When someone has been playing for 5 years does it, it's not "okay" because they've been saving up longer. They're no better or worse, in my mind. They're just people who need some cash.

If you don't like the fact that the NUB makes it easy for new players to generate large amounts of CB in just 6 months, compared to what a NON NUB player would, then rally to get that changed. But stop with these personal, "Zomg, people are selling out and I don't think they should so I'm going to stop it!" threads. Honestly, I think the community is to blame for this though. They gave Ranger power when he made the first one of these because they listened. They responded. And a player who was just trying to do hundreds of others has tried got sort of messed over.

So now Ranger is going to keep doing it. He likes having that kind of power and influence. This whole thread is a sham. Even assuming NUB sellouts are the WORST things imaginable, he isn't one. He's a guy who played an online game, looks to have got bored, then a few months later realized he had a quick source of cash on hands.

The players of CB are welcome to keep making these sorts of post. But I'm going to complain and taunt and be as annoying as I can to get them to stop. Because they don't help this game at all. At. All. (Then again, I'm sure neither do I. What an ego I have for assuming I could change the game in the first place! Ha. But I will try, for the sake of CB ever having a player base of more than it does right now)

"The INTENT behind it does NOT matter."

It's the most important part.

If someones intendes to join B to play the game, and get involved, then for whatever reason decided to sel all thier stuff, that's cool. It's an option open to every one of us.

If somoene kowningly creates a new account with the pure intent to fight for their bonus length, then just sell out and leave (and possibly do it all over again...), that's not cool. It's wrong.

It's all about intent.

And as Sute reiterates above, it's next to impossible to divine.

I don't gets why people would run 1 accounts and then repeat for nub. It doesn't give much bonus as most think. It only give small bonus and most go to BA for good run. You can get almost as much by staying at highest possible 100% and then renting out items and stuff, you can get even more money than a NUB would get. Only reason why NUB would be better is if you run multiple accounts at once and then you are using up a lot of time and always playing the game of trying to keep out of the admins grasp. All a waste of time if you ask me.

How is it wrong, GL? Because, in my mind, that player helps the game just as much as the next player.

If one man gives 1,000 dollars to charity because he is generous, and another gives 1,000 dollars for tax purposes, does it matter? Will the charity not use the money?

The intent matters -entirely- on a moralistic level. Just because people find something distasteful does not mean they have the right to stop it. It's for the same reason people hold book burnings and ban certain movies or video games and tell people what they can and can't do because one person BELIEVES it's wrong to the point where they force it on others.

THAT is what is wrong, here.

Nope,

It is wrong on many levels to use something Jon instituted as a mechanism to catch up and use it for personal profit.

I hope Jon finds a way to prevent all NUB gotten money from being sold.

Normally gotten money, fine.

NUB money, bad.

To your analogy:
"If one man gives 1,000 dollars to charity because he is generous, and another gives 1,000 dollars for tax purposes, does it matter? Will the charity not use the money? "

How about this, if one man gives 1,000 dollars of drug money to a charity is that generous? Will the charity accept it? Most I know will not.

That is NUB money, ill gotten money. Not honestly earned.

But you are free to think as you do, as I should be. Without you personally going after me.

I did not make my post a personal one vs rr. But his 436 post certainly started the personal weave.

And it became real personal the moment he started to curse at me in PM and CM.

Do not take this as a personal attack.
Perhaps pointing out your moral outrage in the same thread where you admit to defrauding and stealing from Subway is not the best way to enhance your credibility.
Just sayin'.

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