Bows in Melee Q (in General)

Bows (like the Elbow) only have 60% penalty to Dex and pth in melee right?

CTH too.

BTH*

Ok, I'm going to put that in the wiki.

plus the lack of archery...

the only bonus is that they no longer have a damage penalty

It's already in the wiki for CTH.

It was in the wiki as pth and dex only. I changed it. Nov, I doubt that you lose archery too.

I am sure that it is either 1 or the other and not both. So the bth either drops to 40 or 20.

http://www.carnageblender.com/wiki/To-hit

Ahh silly wiki having different info in different parts. I changed the weapons page JS. I didn't think to look in the to-hit page.

you most certainly do lose archery that's always been the case

you most certainly do not lose archery that's always been the case

if it is indeed the case that archery as it exists today works in melee it was most certainly not always the case.

Back when archery allowed you to fire every round and do more damage i know for a fact it didn't work in melee.

What proof do you have that Archery is not lost during melee?

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002x5X

Could you be more precise? I don't really see evidence of Archery in ranged vs archery in melee being mentioned. (i.e. I don't see anything round based)

Is that in the wiki Bananco?

What are those numbers then, all from 1 weapon? (I see you using Main Gauche also)
Have you tested this with the same ranged weapon without archery as well? If so, did that generate the same numbers?

To test that exact bow without archery, I would have had to take a heavy untrain hit or get ahold of a character capable of wielding 170M NW without being encumbered. Those numbers are all from the bow. I challenge you to find some way to make the numbers work out assuming that you lose archery in melee.