Witty title about BA and xfers (in Changelog)

AdminNightStrike June 16 2010 12:20 PM EDT

Try it now.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 16 2010 12:24 PM EDT

I can't try it but I am going to take a stab and guess that you can't xfer to someone over 160 ba.

QBRanger June 16 2010 12:28 PM EDT

Now that's real Hope and Change!

Demigod June 16 2010 12:55 PM EDT


Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 16 2010 1:04 PM EDT

"Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint/Forever in debt to your priceless advice."
(What nov is thinking to himself regarding Ranger & co.)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 16 2010 1:20 PM EDT

Late, but at least it got done.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:21 PM EDT

I'd like to say "huzzah" or the like. But I feel the need to gripe.

While the change is great (which it is), we still suffer form the age old problem of letting the use of the exploit stand.

From referal cash, to this to massive tattoos from renting, to abuse from massive EXbows, to whatever else.

The rewards for doing so remain.

While the exploit has now been closed (as it should), *no one* else can now profit from the exploit.

Apart from those who did...

AdminNightStrike June 16 2010 2:23 PM EDT

It doesn't always work out that way, GL. When I stored up a lot of BA, I was reset.

QBRanger June 16 2010 2:25 PM EDT

It doesn't always work out that way, GL. When I stored up a lot of BA, I was reset.
Which is the problem a lot of us had.

Rules being enforced sometimes.

At least this one is now closed to further abuse.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:25 PM EDT

Yeah, or when disenchanting was abused, the abuser was reset...

I guess I need to find a loophole/exploit to abuse that doesn't result in me getting reset/banned. ;) Kinda the CB 'holy grail'.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:25 PM EDT

Yeah, GL loves ex-post facto laws. Now let's see if we can get a change that really allows NCB to catch up. I always said it was possible to catch up b/c this was possible, along with some other things. Now it is impossible to catch up. So there you go, all of you that complained about being able to catch up, guess what, good luck now!

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:26 PM EDT

Oh, and since this is a rule? Point me where it says anything about it?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:26 PM EDT

So the NCB only worked becuase of an exploit....

(which it was and is)

And you don't think that's a good reason to *fix* the Bonuses?


AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:28 PM EDT

Exploit that devs say is ok? How is that an exploit? It costs millions of dollars, lots of time and coordination?

Zenai June 16 2010 2:28 PM EDT

Zenai June 15 5:47 PM EDT
I've been thinking about something similar to just that Sox although my thought was for Big Exp Times only. 4 Players rotating 2 Xfers per Big Exp Time while paying for BA Every Day. Hit this up for the first 4 Months then the last 2 Months only one Xfer per Week like on a Saturday. Should reach about 7 - 8 Mil MPR. I think in a few months I might be able to work my way up to something like this >:-D

I guess sometimes all it takes is the right idle threat?........rofl

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:29 PM EDT

Exploit that devs say is ok? How is that an exploit? It costs millions of dollars, lots of time and coordination?

An allowance made by a Dev years ago, who's no longer here, which was woefully outdated and wrong when it was made.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:31 PM EDT

Ahh this is your game now GL huh? Not Jon's? I got it, my bad, I was under the influence that he was the owner... sorry.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:32 PM EDT

Oh and to highligh my gripe. Titan sums it up;

So there you go, all of you that complained about being able to catch up, guess what, good luck now!

So how do we legitimately compete now?

IF the only way was to abuse an exploit. Gratz to those that did I suppose. And sucks for the rest of CB land...

That's the issue here.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:33 PM EDT

Jon has never been 100% right.

And I've always challenged what I saw to be wrong in/with CB. That hasn't stopped since Jon left.

QBRanger June 16 2010 2:33 PM EDT

+1 GL.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:34 PM EDT

Titan, like the Cloak of Balrog Flame. Jon was right with that, wasn't he....

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:35 PM EDT

Whether it was a good idea, is another debate entirely, whether it was allowed and then you want to use ex-post facto? That's something entirely different? But, Ranger's a doctor, he hardly understands lawyer talk...

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:36 PM EDT

Oh and I got this one myself Ranger, +2 Titan

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:38 PM EDT

Titan, like Jon claiming the reduction of the MGS was fine due to cost, or that AC was fine due to upgrade cost, CB moves on.

We earn more, there's more cash coming in, the longer CB continues.

Jon had to rebalance both the MGS and AC due to use being able to breach the 'cost' balance due to this.

This is no exception.

When Jon made his comment, we probably *didn't* have the cash to do it.

Now we obviosuly do, and jon's allowance is woefully outdated.

Exactly like past history in CB has shown.


QBRanger June 16 2010 2:42 PM EDT

But, Ranger's a doctor, he hardly understands lawyer talk...
I understand lawyer talk far more than you Titan.

Having been on the witness stand as an expert witness at least 2 dozen times, been in countless depositions and being sued myself once.

You know what they say when you assume. Please do not do it again.

+1000 Ranger!

AdminNightStrike June 16 2010 2:43 PM EDT

Typically, people aren't retroactively punished for things that were once allowed and now aren't. For instance, Mikel is the reason that we have once again VPR, which makes it a lot harder to milk a 100% CB. His character wasn't penalized for following what's allowable at the time, but what's allowable changed for the future.

Besides, you can still transfer parties aren't. The cost is just a lot more. Since the target user can only have 160 BA, it means that you have to do a lot more transfers. You still can if you want to pony up the cash.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 2:44 PM EDT

You know anyone at any point could create a full magic/physical reduction set? And by anyone I mean Zenai? Oh better change AC, it's way way OP! Everyone run around with our heads cut off.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:51 PM EDT

If someone did, it would be changed.

Exactly like when Freed almost got there.

That's why we have SS...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 2:52 PM EDT

How many examples do you need where gameplay changes, once theorised, weren't changed until someone actually *did* them?

Zenai June 16 2010 2:58 PM EDT

I think I already said it once.....everything in this game has the potential of exploit or abuse in some way.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 3:03 PM EDT

Tulwars don't. ;)

Zenai June 16 2010 3:07 PM EDT

GL stop splitting hairs you know exactly what I mean.

AdminNightStrike June 16 2010 3:14 PM EDT

He did have a smiley, Z.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2010 3:15 PM EDT

Aye, a little brevity in a somewhat 'heavy' thread.

I'd have thought my obsession with Tulwars wouldn't have required the smiley, but hey.

Zenai June 16 2010 3:25 PM EDT

NS: I know but there is a time and place no?

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] June 16 2010 4:17 PM EDT

But... I wanted to sell my soul, and first born child, to get a bunch of people to push me up to 3mil MPR! Now I can't! I is unamused. >.>

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 16 2010 4:45 PM EDT

woohoo! thanks ns. ; )

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] June 16 2010 5:30 PM EDT

Woot! Does that mean my 4mil mpr char Koy is now more than a momento again?

Mikel June 16 2010 5:50 PM EDT

NS Bad example using me. My NUB Time got shortened by almost a month. I think that was a penalty.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- June 16 2010 6:00 PM EDT

If you want something to be fixed in CB... Break it.

I don't think Titan and co should be penalized any more than they already have, the cost put into the character was insane, and if you penalized them, you would have to penalize every single NCB that did the same thing.

Since it is now fixed, everyone can move on. Maybe in time the N*B itself can be addressed.

Thanks for the change NS, I'm surprised it came so quickly tbh.

spydah June 16 2010 8:34 PM EDT

Down with FoD!!

Oh... wait...


Sickone June 16 2010 8:50 PM EDT

If you want something to be fixed in CB... Break it.

So I guess it's about time to restart breaking the score system ?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 16 2010 8:51 PM EDT

It is handling the score drain fairly well, considering that a couple people have been draining it out pretty continuously.

Soxjr June 16 2010 8:52 PM EDT

I'm not sure why anyone is upset that this was changed. I mean titan, you guys were very close to doing what I said would make the change happen. The ncb was designed to get to 95%.. now if that is not possible is an entirely different thread, but the fact that you guys with just a few more trades and people saving ba could actually have passed the top mpr and become the top mpr char in the game is what I believe caused the change. It was never... ever designed for someone to pass the top mpr, and you guys found a way for it to happen, no matter the cost. This was something that was not intended and was going to get changed.

Saying that Jon said it was ok is a bad excuse because when he said it was ok was years ago and there was a lot less money around and he was probably right in that there wasn't enough money in game to allow it to happen. Now years later there is plenty of money in game and looky here.. It happened, or came awful close. Good change. Now if we want to make a new thread and talk about how we can get a good Ncb system in place where people actually can save a bit and have a chance to get to the top that is a good talk we can have, but this wasn't right and nothing anyone can say can prove that at all. :)

Again just my two cents, and I probably need change.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] June 16 2010 9:07 PM EDT

Wow, Jir, thank you so much for bringing some sanity to this post. You truthfully made the rest of my day.

BadFish June 17 2010 4:31 AM EDT

+1 Spydah!
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