BMVG ~ A fresh start? (in General)


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 16 2011 6:19 PM EDT

the black market is a way for the community to come together in order to spawn items. usually one player will volunteer his time, and patience, for the black market vote guide. there is nothing official about the guide and it is just that, a guide. you may follow it or not as you please.

if you do not think the black market serves a purpose any longer, the bmvg (black market vote guide) is not the place to pursue that stance. the devs would love to hear from you and you can take that matter up with them.

lodging protest votes for any reason is also perfectly acceptable. advertising those in the bmvg is not, due to the fact that it is meant to be a community building experience. the bmvg is not here to tell you how to vote. it is here simply for those wanting to contribute to the community in one of the few ways we have to do so.

please do not bump the bmvg too often! i feel that once a day is sufficient. to be clear that is once a day by anyone, so if someone else has posted that today they voted for the item, that is the bump for the day. if you have any quesitons please cm me.

also, i really don't like the idea of of sending messages to people to get them to vote a certain way. the bmvg should be enough of a reminder and if people aren't voting they may have a reason.

if kw still wants to create the bmvg i ask only that he follow these guidelines. i created a new thread as a fresh start for all of us, please try to treat this as such on your end as well. thanks!

Zenai March 16 2011 6:27 PM EDT

please do not bump the bmvg too often! i feel that once a day is sufficient. to be clear that is once a day by anyone, so if someone else has posted that today they voted for the item, that is the bump for the day.

No offense but I believe that showing how you voted by posting it is a part of the "Community Building Experience" limiting it is the same as oppressing an opinion and should not be done. The BMVG should be a way to bring players together or others to let them know "We Don't Agree With You!" By posting what they voted for and what the % are at.

Just my thoughts on it.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 16 2011 6:29 PM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 47 96 51.0%

With all this attention it may be possible to get one in auctions.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 16 2011 6:31 PM EDT

if you want to vote for something else, an actual vote rather than a protest type vote, that has always been handled by a suggestion in the bmvg as to what you would like to pursue next.

it is important to understand that about fifty votes every two weeks is all that we can expect, so realistic suggestions are expected.

once again, the protest votes against spawning anything in the bmvg are much better handled through another venue with the devs. you posting here zen brings up the cbpc as a perfect venue for such issues.

Guardian March 16 2011 6:33 PM EDT

it is important to understand that about fifty votes every two weeks is all that we can expect, so realistic suggestions are expected.

thats why spellbostes are impossible... even if we are in the middle to get more 40 votes we need 2 weeks or so and than a lot of votes expires.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 16 2011 6:35 PM EDT

let us go ahead and try the spellboosters. if as gun says with all of this attention we do not get it, then we are certain that it won't be possible in the future.

if we do get it then we might indeed have our fresh start.

Guardian March 16 2011 6:38 PM EDT

thank lord i am quick and i have copied my bmvg thread

.. March 16 2011 6:47 PM EDT

So am I allowed to start a new thread for protest votes?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 16 2011 7:42 PM EDT

if your purpose on the protest votes was to keep items from spawning as you think the black market serves no purpose, then as i stated twice now above you can take that up with the devs.

if you have another reason for a protest vote, please post it here.

Guardian March 16 2011 9:18 PM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 48 96 50.0%

Zenai March 17 2011 1:20 AM EDT

In the spirit of trying:

Pair of Displacement Boots 1 96 99.0%

once again, the protest votes against spawning anything in the bmvg are much better handled through another venue with the devs.

How so it is perfectly fine for someone to post their complimentary votes why not opposing votes?

you posting here zen brings up the cbpc as a perfect venue for such issues.

No it actually doesn't, it just brings it up as one of many options to be used. In all honesty it's as simple as players understanding that there will always be an opposing side and to act accordingly.

Zenai March 17 2011 1:22 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 51 96 46.9%

Sorry I must have copied the DB's by mistake.

AdminShade March 17 2011 2:22 AM EDT

I also have voted for the DB's to help.

Sickone March 17 2011 3:11 AM EDT

What if we change the BM rules ?
What if votes cast never expire and are only "lost" when the item is actually spawned ?

Sickone March 17 2011 3:13 AM EDT

Or what if BM votes would become percentages of people eligible to vote as opposed to fixed numbers ?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 17 2011 4:37 AM EDT

zenai, it is actually pretty simple. if you oppose the item the bmvg is promoting, then bring up another within the bmvg thread that you want to spawn instead. if it is a realistic goal then i am sure the bmvg will work toward that with you. if the person heading up the bmvg doesn't work with others then take it over yourself. there is no official bmvg unless the community accepts it.

if your opposing viewpoint is that the black market itself should not exist or be fundamentally different, take it up with the devs as they have created it and left it in the game. if you think it is worthless, the devs are the only ones who can change that and taking it out on the users who volunteer their time to create and manage the bmvg is misguided and wrong.

Zenai March 17 2011 11:42 AM EDT

zenai, it is actually pretty simple. if you oppose the item the bmvg is promoting, then bring up anothe within the bmvg thread that you want to spawn instead. if it is a realistic goal then i am sure the bmvg will work toward that with you.

In different words this is kind of what I was saying. In your words you were saying only one bump a day. This is absolutely impossible if only one side gets to post, what this will turn into a who can get there first kind of thing? No that would be unfair and it is why I brought it up.

if the person heading up the bmvg doesn't work with others then take it over yourself. there is no official bmvg unless the community accepts it.

Again kind of my point is that some will agree others will not as long as everyone "plays nice" then really there is no problem.

if your opposing viewpoint is that the black market itself should not exist or be fundamentally different, take it up with the devs as they have created it and left it in the game. if you think it is worthless, the devs are the only ones who can change that and taking it out on the users who volunteer their time to create and manage the bmvg is misguided and wrong.

I agree and this should be told to everyone as they pop into the BMVG to post. In all honesty I think it should have its own Forum with that as it's disclaimer but eh as I said this is just my thoughts on it.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 17 2011 11:54 AM EDT

to clarify on the one bump a day, that is more for the volunteer who happens to be overseeing the bmvg. since kw is that person for now i will use him as the example.

he can bump it once a day with the status of the vote as a reminder for everyone to vote. if someone else has already bumped it with that info for the day then kw shouldn't bump it again.

starting a discussion regarding the item coming up next falls into a different category and anyone can do that at any time. truth be told there hasn't been much discussion lately though due to the limited amount of items we can spawn and the item economy of the game.

if someone does want a different tattoo they can ask for that to be the target though at any time. if kw responds and says sure we can do that or we already had someone ask for the next one but we will add that to the list, then that is not considered the bump for that day.

the one bump a day is merely there to minimize spamming of that thread and also to minimize annoyance to other forum posters.

Guardian March 17 2011 11:56 AM EDT

too much toalk

the goal is votes

Pair of Spellboosters 52 96 45.8%

AdminShade March 17 2011 12:12 PM EDT

KW: but the thread does not have to be bumped for that purpose every minute of the day. In other words: less bumping please.

Zenai March 17 2011 12:20 PM EDT

to clarify on the one bump a day, that is more for the volunteer who happens to be overseeing the bmvg.

I got the idea already my point here was that anyone should be allowed to post their agreeing or disagreeing vote regardless of a thread bump.

starting a discussion regarding the item coming up next falls into a different category and anyone can do that at any time.

I agree but just like our discussion although related could probably be restarted somewhere else. See below for clarification.

if kw responds and says sure we can do that or we already had someone ask for the next one but we will add that to the list, then that is not considered the bump for that day.

Having an organizer is fine but in essence unless everything is put into a regularly used and recognized format it is defeatist of its purpose.

the one bump a day is merely there to minimize spamming of that thread and also to minimize annoyance to other forum posters.

Once again I agree hence my reasoning for saying give it a Forum of its own. This way this who are interested can participate and those who don't want to be bothered by it can simply turn it off. Also not this can be for discussions about BMVG items as well, a part of the organizing process, so as not to clutter up the voting thread yet get ideas and thoughts across that are relevant.

Zenai March 17 2011 12:28 PM EDT

I got the idea already my point here was that anyone should be allowed to post their agreeing disagreeing vote regardless of a thread bump.

An afterthought was that if it had a Forum it could be special in that it is actually tied to the BM Voting System. A player votes and the thread updates with that players vote automatically. I know this could be a coding nightmare but it could also be fairly easy so why not suggest it and see what happens eh?

Guardian March 18 2011 5:59 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 52 96 45.8%

QBOddBird March 18 2011 10:40 AM EDT

? An afterthought was that if it had a Forum it could be special in that it is actually tied to the BM Voting System. A player votes and the thread updates with that players vote automatically.

Just a thought...if it had a forum of its own, wouldn't it be a very quiet little forum?

I think the idea of a Black Market thread that automatically updates the numbers is cool, but simultaneously redundant, given that a click over the BM link itself can show you the current votes/percentages on ALL the items in the BM.

And back on topic, I hope we're able to put out Spellboosters. It's kind of sad that we've dropped to the point where we can't use our own BM effectively anymore.

Zenai March 18 2011 1:05 PM EDT

Just a thought...if it had a forum of its own, wouldn't it be a very quiet little forum?

Maybe and maybe not. The way I see it is this, only a few players are willing to step up and actually promote the BMVG. Why you might ask? Well because of the fact that there are a few players very frustrated with constant BMVG bumps and as a result post angrily in them. That's not exactly the best way to get player to participate in the program so in short they simply don't.

I think the idea of a Black Market thread that automatically updates the numbers is cool, but simultaneously redundant, given that a click over the BM link itself can show you the current votes/ percentages on ALL the items in the BM.

Well the point is that it would ensure that players would know the BMVG was alive and kicking without any investigating. I have found over the years a few simple facts, the easier it is the more it will be used, out of sight out of mind. This would touch on both of these things at the same time.

And back on topic, I hope we're able to put out Spellboosters. It's kind of sad that we've dropped to the point where we can't use our own BM effectively anymore.

Agreed

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 18 2011 2:52 PM EDT

Think this new forum would allow KW spamming till his heart is content.
There is too little of reason to have a BMVG forum for only the few.

Zenai March 18 2011 6:08 PM EDT

Think this new forum would allow KW spamming till his heart is content.

It would allow up to date statistics of the BMVG to be readily available for those who are interested without bothering the rest of the CB World. Remember I did say this would allow it to be turned off in settings so those who don't want to deal with it don't have to.

There is too little of reason to have a BMVG forum for only the few.

That in and of itself is a part of the problem. Few wish to participate because of the few that throw a fit about seeing it in the first place. Out of sight out of mind and those that want to be a part of it can do so without oppression/persecution.


I see this as a Win/Win Idea as both sides would get what they want in this matter.

Phaete March 18 2011 7:10 PM EDT

A lot of the bumping is to remind people to vote.
I never know when my vote is up, when the week is due.
Why not show on the "Home" page, in the news section, that you have a vote, with a link to the Black Market.
That should remind people more and then bumping might not be necessary to get people to notice their new votes.

So you devs help us to bump less by making the new vote more visible?

But yes, let the BMVG forum spam lessen, it is getting out of hand.
If done funny it is at least less irritating though :D

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 18 2011 8:04 PM EDT

Would be oddly win/win. The worst I can think of is an outsider of the blender seeing a forum not a soul here cares to look at, wouldn't spend a katana to save, filled with posts of questionable literacy. If you want this refugee camp so bad can quit asking us to get behind the idea and pester an admin. We get it, but don't care, and have better problems to argue over.
Phaete has the right idea on the matter. The server mail would be the best reminder. Not much more to it. This would probably do better taken to Natty's idea thread on the subject.

Guardian March 19 2011 9:03 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 55 96 42.7%

Invader Sye March 19 2011 9:56 AM EDT

86 votes total in the past 2 weeks, unless we get 10 more people to vote, the spellbooster votes are useless, and thus taking up 2 weeks of your time, which is a lot, and this is one huge run-on sentence with no period xD

Zenai March 19 2011 12:46 PM EDT

So you devs help us to bump less by making the new vote more visible?

Would definitely be cool as a supplement Awesome idea!

But yes, let the BMVG forum spam lessen, it is getting out of hand.

That's the problem the BMVG doesn't have a Forum of it's own and therefore cannot be ignored through settings. :-/

Would be oddly win/win. The worst I can think of is an outsider of the blender seeing a forum not a soul here cares to look at, wouldn't spend a katana to save, filled with posts of questionable literacy.

If given the choice to see it or not wouldn't you just turn it off anyway? I mean honestly since it is so irritating this would be the best course of action.

If you want this refugee camp so bad can quit asking us to get behind the idea and pester an admin.

Part of the purpose of the thread in the first place Gun. Admins will read this or those that are tired of seeing the thread will pester an Admin and then they will read it.

We get it, but don't care, and have better problems to argue over.

That is specifically your view Gun and yes there are bigger problems but that makes this no less a problem either it still needs to be addressed.

Phaete has the right idea on the matter. The server mail would be the best reminder.

Yes as a reminder but not as a fix for the BMVG it will still be in Forums and will still have someone promoting it vying for a certain thing to be Spawned. In short for those of you that hate the BMVG it will STILL be just as irritating possibly more so now that more players will be inclined to vote.

Not much more to it.

Sure there is you just want to downplay it because you are tired of seeing the thread bumped....Case in Point eh?

This would probably do better taken to Natty's idea thread on the subject.

It is already there just in case you didn't read it.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 19 2011 3:44 PM EDT

Now I know for a fact you are trolling.

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] March 19 2011 3:52 PM EDT

meanwhile back on the thread...



Zenai March 19 2011 4:00 PM EDT

Now I know for a fact you are trolling.

Answering something directed at me is not trolling it is called courtesy of conversation. If you me to post an answer to your questions/points then don't post them. If you want to continue conversation and do not want it public then CM me.

Since there was not a malicious intent, veiled meaning in any way or empty posting I fail to see how I'm trolling. If I have offended you then I apologize as this was not my intent.

Still though every point I have made has validity whether you like it or not just as you have a right to say I don't like it I also have the right to say I do like it. Which in turn brings this completely to the forefront Gun if the BMVG had a Forum, unless you in Settings, would we be having this conversation at all?

Honestly I seriously doubt it.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 19 2011 4:27 PM EDT

We smell our own. You did not offend beyond the realm of what little you thought of me.

Zenai March 19 2011 4:42 PM EDT

Honestly Gun you are doing exactly what that picture/poster says. While I have no problem answering someone directing a question or debating a point with me I do have a problem with someone deliberately trying to get a thread closed simply because they don't like the subject matter. If you don't like the thread Gun how about just not opening it in the first place? Noone is twisting your arm saying they will break it if you do not open the thread, read it and post in it, the behavior is completely on you.

This is also something else I touched on in my points. Players should be able to post and discuss things about the BMVG without something like this happening.

Be whatever you want to be Gun I cannot stop you of course, however, Admins can. If you cannot control your behavior someone else will.

Now there was subject matter in this thread being discussed before the unnecessary rudeness of Gun please do continue if you like.

Guardian March 19 2011 7:31 PM EDT

meanwhile...

Pair of Spellboosters 55 96 42.7%

GO VOTE

Phaete March 19 2011 7:36 PM EDT

I think most people think you are trolling (including me) because most of your posts are not about the main topic, but just criticism on others opinions.
You are perhaps not even aware of it, but take a breather and reread your posts and check in which of both above categories they fall.

Or just prove me right and disect my post in several quotes with what looks like snappy remarks, but just show a lack of deeper and coherent thinking.


Zenai March 19 2011 8:14 PM EDT

I think most people think you are trolling (including me) because most of your posts are not about the main topic, but just criticism on others opinions.

1. Topics do evolve into other things it is still about the BMVG.
2. Interesting to know that most people think I am trolling when all I see is Gun & now you saying this but ok.
3. If others attempt to criticize me I return it in kind, discussions happen if you cannot handle the discussion this is not something I can control.

You are perhaps not even aware of it, but take a breather and reread your posts and check in which of both above categories they fall.

I know exactly where my posts fall as this is the way I intended them to be. The problem is where others may think they have veiled or alternated meanings. That is not my fault nor will I take responsibility for it. Anyone can easily send me a CM to get clarification.

Or just prove me right and disect my post in several quotes with what looks like snappy remarks, but just show a lack of deeper and coherent thinking.

Ahh reverse psychology combined with negative reinforcement to follow along the lines of what you think I should be directed mentally.

This is most definitely not on the BMVG Topic and whereas I know that topics change I do not think they change this much. If you wish to talk about what you think my mental state is then fine make another thread about it please.

Guardian March 19 2011 8:22 PM EDT

even with all this bla bla we got 1 more vote

Pair of Spellboosters 56 96 41.7%

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 19 2011 8:50 PM EDT

kw, one bump a day please.

zen, aule and phaete please take it to cm's.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 19 2011 10:39 PM EDT

I did and the response was delusions thought were meant for you. -.-

Guardian March 20 2011 5:55 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 57 96 40.6%

Guardian March 21 2011 7:02 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 57 96 40.6%

39 votes left

come on u can vote again

Zenai March 21 2011 8:22 AM EDT

Vote casted :-)

Pair of Spellboosters 58 96 39.6%

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 21 2011 1:26 PM EDT

With 42+ displaced, don't forget a heavy xbox was spawned recently, we could possibly spawn these next week.

Demigod March 21 2011 2:14 PM EDT

Holy crap, we can spawn an xbox?

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 21 2011 2:42 PM EDT


D'oh! We can't vote on THFs! *sad face*

Guardian March 21 2011 7:01 PM EDT

wow big jump!

Pair of Spellboosters 69 96 28.1%

27 votes left only!

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] March 21 2011 7:44 PM EDT

A Pair of Spellboosters [4] (+9) Mar 7
A Pair of Spellboosters [4] (+9) Mar 17
A Pair of Spellboosters [4] (+2) $803,704 ends in 01:55:28

all spawned in auctions, wishes do come true.

Guardian March 22 2011 8:37 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 71 96 26.0%

25 votes left dude

Guardian March 22 2011 11:13 PM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 73 96 24.0%

23 votes

Guardian March 23 2011 10:35 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 74 96 22.9%

22 votes left

Guardian March 23 2011 10:45 PM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 78 96 18.8%

18 votes left

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 23 2011 10:56 PM EDT

Give it a day which is not 12 hours long.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 23 2011 10:58 PM EDT

yes please, once a day is sufficient.

Guardian March 24 2011 12:13 PM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 82 96 14.6%

14 votes left

Guardian March 25 2011 6:17 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 84 96 12.5%

12 votes

Guardian March 26 2011 8:10 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 71 96 26.0%

25 VOTES LEFT

we need everybody votes, coz votes EXPIRES... we were 12 away oh man....

Guardian March 27 2011 7:22 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 73 96 24.0%

23 votes

we need to spawn it this week, come on

QBOddBird March 27 2011 2:46 PM EDT

I see 27 more votes scattered throughout the bm. The community could vote the boosters in if they really wanted to, it would just take a remarkable amount of cooperation.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] March 27 2011 8:09 PM EDT

Don't make it sound like work. We don't do tasks that sound like work.

Guardian March 28 2011 7:53 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 76 96 20.8%

20 votes

Guardian March 29 2011 11:36 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 73 96 24.0%

we've made 73 votes now we cant do 23 more?

COME ON!

Guardian March 30 2011 10:17 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 73 96 24.0%

i dunno why but i insist on it

Guardian April 3 2011 12:43 PM EDT

WE TRIED HARDLY CAN YOU finally NOW SEE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE to spawn high cost votes itens?

we reach a high amount, get very close, but than we stay on a infernal loop of votes expiring just because lack of interest in vote again.

QBOddBird April 3 2011 12:53 PM EDT

I pointed out in an earlier post that we had enough current votes to spawn it. Difficult and impossible are two very different things.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 3 2011 6:46 PM EDT

This whole time you were only going with the votes just to prove us wrong and yell bad engrish before a big monday. How....

Guardian April 3 2011 9:05 PM EDT

bad English ?

so come and talk perfect Portuguese with me wise guy.

be able to be talking in a foreign language is already above average.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 4 2011 5:27 AM EDT

Pair of Spellboosters 71 96 26.0%

VOICE NODE ME OUVIR AGORA? Boas.

Guardian April 4 2011 7:15 AM EDT

vocĂȘ pode?

Pair of Spellboosters 74 96 22.9%

Guardian April 4 2011 7:15 AM EDT

voce pode?

Pair of Spellboosters 74 96 22.9%

Guardian April 10 2011 3:29 PM EDT

so

may we finally focus on itens we can spawn easier?

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 10 2011 8:00 PM EDT

No, KnightYuri. The BM Reign continues!

Guardian April 11 2011 11:25 AM EDT

you mean BMfail

or also bm ilusion

Guardian April 11 2011 9:03 PM EDT

ok, high cost itens fail

ADM Dudemus said i can try now 48 votes itens.
haters, please don't mess with the thread
thank you

Rune of Balrog Flame 5 48 89.6%

go for it!


DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 12:07 AM EDT

You do realize we can protest openly. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a hater.

Demigod April 12 2011 12:16 AM EDT

The BM Reign continues!

Bowel movement reign?

you mean BMfail

Oh, dear God no. Can we please rename this into something that doesn't mean "poop"?

Guardian April 12 2011 5:54 AM EDT

Admindudemus March 16 6:35 PM EDT let us go ahead and try the spellboosters. if as gun says with all of this attention we do not get it, then we are certain that it won't be possible in the future.if we do get it then we might indeed have our fresh start.

Guardian April 12 2011 5:55 AM EDT

Rune of Balrog Flame 6 48 87.5%

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 6:29 AM EDT

Don't see the point in using that quote other than to egg me on, if so, let me add something for the record. We didn't succeed because many, twenty or so, didn't care to vote again even when we were a stone's throw away. Can't blame them with this steaming bowl of hate stinking up the joint.

Change the record and pick a different tat soon.

Guardian April 12 2011 7:04 AM EDT

come on bullying guy i dont care whatever meanless words you say.
you just wanna mess

Rune of Balrog Flame 6 48 87.5%

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 7:14 AM EDT

Once per day, not per hour, and chill.

Guardian April 12 2011 7:19 AM EDT

talks the admin aule.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 7:26 AM EDT

Please, call me Gun.

Guardian April 12 2011 7:45 AM EDT

So what is your vote?
this is bmvg , no chat thread.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 5:11 PM EDT

Would prefer a ToA, HF, or a tat someone requested. Since we have to for vote items we can spawn...

Guardian April 12 2011 5:50 PM EDT

WTB: RoBF by Eliteofdelete at Mar 16 (2 replies)

till april 10 he had no sucess even ofering 150k. And it allways sell for good price and people compete to buy it.


Rune of Balrog Flame 8 48 83.3%

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 6:12 PM EDT

That's sad. Got 4 of them. :(

Kefeck April 12 2011 6:44 PM EDT

You guys should take it to chatmail, it's getting old quick..

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 12 2011 6:50 PM EDT

We did. He thought I was going to report him to admin so that stopped quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Guardian April 12 2011 7:21 PM EDT

That's sad. Got 4 of them. :(

really? so why there is NONE on market? i allways see people saying have tons of something, but none sells anything.

also, i don't have to bump this thread anymore you are the best free bumper i can ever find.



Guardian April 13 2011 9:05 PM EDT

Rune of Balrog Flame 7 48 85.4%

Guardian April 14 2011 9:09 AM EDT

we need 20 people voting this week, and 20 voting next week
ain't tat easy?
u can do this

Rune of Balrog Flame 8 48 83.3%

Guardian April 15 2011 7:36 AM EDT

do your vote or die trying

Rune of Balrog Flame 8 48 83.3%

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] April 16 2011 5:53 AM EDT

Let's vote for an FF, know three whom need one.
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