Q about ENC (in General)


QBRanger June 24 2011 1:07 PM EDT

i gots me a question about ENC.

why does Etheral Chain lower ENC wihle AS and GS do not add ENC?

Does not seem consistent at all.

Thoughts?

Lord Bob June 24 2011 1:11 PM EDT

Giant Strength does add to it.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] June 24 2011 1:12 PM EDT

Slayer used GS for the added enc when he was running wardens keep.

Quyen June 24 2011 1:12 PM EDT

Gs adds enc, AS is "Unreal HP" so it doesnt add to enc.

Quyen June 24 2011 1:16 PM EDT

ripped from wiki :)

The exact NW amount will be shown on your Equip page, but it can fluctuate in battle based on GS or EC enchantments. >>(AS does not count as HP and does not affect it.)<<

AdminLamuness June 24 2011 1:18 PM EDT

"Encumbrance does not change mid fight, so using an Enforcer's crossbow or another stat-draining weapon won't decrease encumbrance of your opponent."

"Ethereal chains is calculated pre-battle and thus affects encumbrance."

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 24 2011 1:25 PM EDT

Hahahahahahahahahaha

I'll have to go back and find my threads on this... if you weren't arguing the other side of this then I'll be surprised.

QBRanger June 24 2011 1:25 PM EDT

Thx

So GS is "real" strength?

Quyen June 24 2011 1:32 PM EDT

uhh.. maybe its a str multiplier :), like steroids :D

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 24 2011 1:45 PM EDT

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0030LX&all_p=1

and I was wrong... you're more consistent that I gave you credit for!

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 24 2011 1:50 PM EDT

Str doesn't have a "real" str amount. If that arbitrary number were to exist it would be base str pre ToA, gear and GS.

QBRanger June 24 2011 1:52 PM EDT

and I was wrong... you're more consistent that I gave you credit for!

Thanks for finding the old thread.

QBRanger June 24 2011 1:55 PM EDT

Str doesn't have a "real" str amount. If that arbitrary number were to exist it would be base str pre ToA, gear and GS.

Huh?

Either all strength works towards ENC or no bonus strength does.

It should not be some strength does while other is not "real" strength.

Just like HP from AS still counts towards figuring out damage, leech from the exbow, damage from GA etc... Seems like real HP to me.

The only thing that HP from AS does not work on is TSA HP.

3/4th stated in the thread novice quoted there is a difference consistency and good game play. If it is not a huge skew, consistency should reign.

horseguy001 June 24 2011 2:00 PM EDT

AS would be OP if it worked towards your ENC. My AS casts for 6.2 mil on each minion...that's a lot of potential NW to pump into a team.

I think it would make the RoS way too strong, and IMO that tattoo is just fine where it is.

I want to do another NCB where the AS minion has 50%+ of the exp, and ENC is my biggest hurdle to work around. Imagine a 20 hp minion that gets to stack a couple 100 mil of wall armor thanks to a massive AS.

QBRanger June 24 2011 2:07 PM EDT

However, large DMs would really hurt such a character. Imaging using max ENC weapons and armor based upon your AS and find a character with a huge DM making all that NW useless with an ENC of .90 or higher.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] June 24 2011 3:01 PM EDT

Trained Str, ToA Str, and Str from GS all add to enc. I tested this out personally a while ago.

Warchild June 24 2011 3:20 PM EDT

what about DM vs GS...is enc only added for the post DM str?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 24 2011 3:21 PM EDT

yes

horseguy001 June 24 2011 3:22 PM EDT

However, large DMs would really hurt such a character. Imaging using max ENC weapons and armor based upon your AS and find a character with a huge DM making all that NW useless with an ENC of .90 or higher.

Large DMs already tank these strats, why punish those that don't have a large DM.

At over 6 mil mpr I was thinking of 25 mil+ lvls of AS (thats with an RoS and equips). Some one training DM to over come the DM resistance and that effect is going to seriously suck against most other teams.

Lord Bob June 24 2011 3:32 PM EDT

what about DM vs GS...is enc only added for the post DM str?
I can verify that DM does decrease encumbrance gained from GS.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 24 2011 3:36 PM EDT

I will say that having most of your ENC come from HP is hugely powerful, as much as I think that multi-minion teams are effectively crippled without AS counting it's really one of the last advantages for single minions.

Quyen June 24 2011 4:12 PM EDT

meh, its just plain racism: because str has 1 letter more then hp, it earns the advantage :)

Tal [G6] June 25 2011 8:53 AM EDT

Regrets cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (20,003,437)

I believe it's the larges DM in the game at this point.

QBRanger June 25 2011 10:38 AM EDT

Boom cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (5,609,737)
Headshot cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (9,708,142)
No cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (14,055,943)
Regrets cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (20,003,437)

Showing that AS adding ENC is a bit less powerful given that all that DM works on each ED separately.

Quyen June 25 2011 12:50 PM EDT

if you got so many DM, how will you deal damage :|

QBRanger June 25 2011 1:43 PM EDT

Tattoo Fire Familiar

Quyen June 25 2011 2:18 PM EDT

so one big AMF puts that strat to a halt? :|

horseguy001 June 25 2011 4:07 PM EDT

An equally big AS backed by a large RoS (say 15 mil lvls) would still do ok against dm. The RoS alone blocks a DM effect of 6 mil, so that AS will still get a few mil HP on each minion.

AS is always useful to train, since HP is good against everyone. DM is only against enchantments.

Not that I think DM is a bad spell, I just think if HP from AS granted ENC, then there would really be no reason to go single minion, or not have a team with AS/RoS. You would get the best both worlds.

QBRanger June 25 2011 4:28 PM EDT

Not that I think DM is a bad spell, I just think if HP from AS granted ENC, then there would really be no reason to go single minion, or not have a team with AS/RoS. You would get the best both worlds.

Not everyone wants to play a RoS character. There are plenty other tattoos to use, some perhaps better. Esp vs the RoS like the RBF.

horseguy001 June 25 2011 4:58 PM EDT

Not everyone wants to play a RoS character. There are plenty other tattoos to use, some perhaps better. Esp vs the RoS like the RBF.

I agree with you there 100% Ranger.

I was speaking in the context of HP from AS granting ENC. ENC is really my only limiting factor that prevents me from steamrolling every team out there, since I just can't get enough NW on all of my minions.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 25 2011 6:47 PM EDT

Back to the OP, my last set of posts from the linked thread answer;

Does not seem consistent at all

There isn't any consistency to worry about, it's all on a case by case basis, with balancing factors taken into account.
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