T81: Brokenly Rich (in Contests)


AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 3:14 PM EDT

Everything is allowed for this tourney. You will have 160 ba at 150k bonus on the first day. On the second day all character's money will be set to 2 bil and the ba cap will be increased to 320. This ba will be at 1.5k bonus.

The winner will be based on the average of the score and PR of the best target you can beat.

This tourney will start Friday Sept 23 at noon server time and end Sunday Sept 25 at noon server time.

Prizes: 1 mil for first, 500k for second, 250k for third, 100k for a target with at least half the average of score and PR as first place.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 19 2011 3:15 PM EDT

$.$

AdminTitan September 19 2011 3:17 PM EDT

Quyen September 19 2011 3:17 PM EDT

Win, Titan took the words out of my mouth.. ._.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 3:18 PM EDT

Forgot one last note. Targets without a real direct offense, or no survivability will not be counted.

AdminTitan September 19 2011 3:19 PM EDT

You did mean 2billion right? With a b, like 9 0s, like more money than I'll ever see on CB billion?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 19 2011 3:22 PM EDT

Woohoo... this'll be a blast!

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 3:26 PM EDT

Yes I definitely meant billions.

AdminNightStrike September 19 2011 3:28 PM EDT

Did I ever fully block tournamnet users from getting money into the CB market? ie, via auctions? They should be limited to the blacksmith/store/etc type places where money spent has no effect.

Also, this will break things. Certain accounts get money that's spent. For instance, Mr. Chairman gets all of your transfer fees, I think. This is all stored as 32-bit signed integers, which means there will be a max of about 2 billion.

I fixed a problem recently where Mr. Chairman had too much money, and transfers didn't work. I fixed it by resetting the cash he had.

I don't want to block the tourney, but I don't want to break CB. We might need to run a test tournament first, or otherwise try to see what might go wrong.

AdminTitan September 19 2011 3:29 PM EDT

"Yes I definitely meant billions."

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 3:31 PM EDT

Tourney chars aren't allowed onto auctions or the regular stores so that is fine. Also this money won't be getting transferred so it shouldn't all get sent to mr chairman. The only problem that could occur is if the regular fighting rewards exceed 147 mil in nw.

AdminTitan September 19 2011 3:33 PM EDT

Did I ever fully block tournamnet users from getting money into the CB market? ie, via auctions? They should be limited to the blacksmith/store/etc type places where money spent has no effect.

Yes

Also, this will break things. Certain accounts get money that's spent. For instance, Mr. Chairman gets all of your transfer fees, I think. This is all stored as 32-bit signed integers, which means there will be a max of about 2 billion.

Well that sucks. Could you do an

If( money > 150M ):
money = 0

? I don't know how easily accessible that code is or how modularized it is, but that'd be an easy fix if you could do that. Since you already did something like that manually.

Sickone September 19 2011 4:11 PM EDT

Can't you extend it to a 64-bit integer ?
Also, why signed, not like you should be able to have negative CB :)

{DF}malS 'lo emaS [Demon Forging] September 19 2011 5:38 PM EDT

You can go into the negatives actually, if you auction house an item and dont have the funds to cover the auction fee it will send you into the negs, I would have thought a warning would pop saying insufficient funds or aomething.

AdminNightStrike September 19 2011 6:22 PM EDT

There are numerous ways to have negative cash. And changing those data types is non-trivial.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 7:06 PM EDT

To remove the fear of breaking the game I'll lower the amount to 1,900 mil.

QBRanger September 19 2011 7:17 PM EDT

To remove the fear of breaking the game I'll lower the amount to 1,900 mil.

Is not the fear that with so much money, and people using the BS, Mr. C will be quickly overloaded with cash? Causing problems with normal characters and transfers.

{DF}malS 'lo emaS [Demon Forging] September 19 2011 7:18 PM EDT

Oh no !!!! 100 mil less? Lol I might play just to see what it's like to have millions of cbd

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 7:18 PM EDT

If that were the case we all would have broken the game so many times it would be needing to be fixed 1-2 times a month rather than just 1 time in 6+ years.

QBRanger September 19 2011 7:21 PM EDT

Great thought for a contest.

However will we not run into ENC overload very easily?

With a 2 day tourney, with the bonuses, what will the max MPR be? Do we really need 2B CB?

Note, I am not making a statement on the T itself. It sound real fun, but ENC may make that huge bow or huge COI impossible.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 7:23 PM EDT

Of course you're going to run into enc. That's the big point of this tourney. How will you manage to make your team while dealing with a 1.00 enc where you want to put that nw.

Kefeck [BlackSmith] September 19 2011 7:26 PM EDT

lol I fully plan on putting all the cash into epic gear and junctioning it to a familiar.. It'll be so fun :D

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 19 2011 7:33 PM EDT

I plan to be holding it all in mah hands! *laughs maniacally*.. or not, I haven't decided yet.

If only 2b were enough for +100 to leadership.. if only..

QBRanger September 19 2011 7:36 PM EDT

lol I fully plan on putting all the cash into epic gear and junctioning it to a familiar.. It'll be so fun :D

Yea, I sort of figured everyone would be doing just that.

Admiralkiller September 19 2011 7:42 PM EDT

Not me.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 7:44 PM EDT

There are a lot more options than that.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 19 2011 7:48 PM EDT

That is probably the last thing I would want to try with 2b cbd, seems like the best thing to do just because the junction gets no real penalties, but its too plain and boring in my mind. Much more fun is to be had messing with some other things IMHO.

QBRanger September 19 2011 7:58 PM EDT

Maybe I have not played a tourney for a long time. I have little idea about how much MPR we can assume to get in a 3 day tourney.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 19 2011 8:23 PM EDT

at the rate she set it at, ~1m if you are good on the first day and a slightly higher (~1.5m) the second day. Maybe larger, I might be thinking about 100k bonus tourneys and not 150k

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 19 2011 9:19 PM EDT

I'm hoping you will get to 1-2 mil mpr and the second day's growth will be negligible.

QBRanger September 23 2011 10:40 AM EDT

Do not forget, it starts at noon today.

TH3 C0113CT0R September 23 2011 10:41 AM EDT

Ranger :P who forgot ?

QBRanger September 23 2011 10:45 AM EDT

I did. Lots of things goin on in RL now.

TH3 C0113CT0R September 23 2011 10:48 AM EDT

i can completely understand, im still trying to rebuild from the arson... i was just poking a little fun, no harm intended :)

Quyen September 23 2011 11:05 AM EDT

Dangit, if this post didnt got replied so it got bumped up, i would've forgot it! >:[

QBRanger September 23 2011 12:05 PM EDT

I cannot seem to buy any rare items in shop.

QBRanger September 23 2011 12:05 PM EDT

Oops, did not have enough dinero.

{DF}malS 'lo emaS [Demon Forging] September 23 2011 4:00 PM EDT

is it a requirement to use the whole 2 bil ... i think it should be mandatory to do full enc

Quyen September 23 2011 4:04 PM EDT

ima see if i can make a nuke strong enough which isnt EXP concentrated.. :>

{DF}malS 'lo emaS [Demon Forging] September 23 2011 4:20 PM EDT

tourney chars are affecting my regular chars score and i havent retrained so i know its no fault of mine

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 24 2011 12:14 PM EDT

The bonus has been changed, you can now fight up to 320 battles and you all have your money. Have at it.

QBRanger September 24 2011 12:15 PM EDT

Tournament: 156 remaining

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 12:17 PM EDT

She meant we get a total of 320 battles for this tourney I believe.

QBRanger September 24 2011 12:18 PM EDT

Yes,

I thought it was 160 for the first part then 320 more for the 2nd part.

My mistake.

Quyen September 24 2011 12:40 PM EDT

unlucky you cant get with this tourney 150K bonus and 1600 BA :P

QBRanger September 24 2011 1:43 PM EDT

I guess I will start this party:

(T81) Fortunatto defeated Guernica (Hell Blenders) after 10 rounds of combat

1 hit not a double tap

Score 7,921,425
Score for T81 7,299,042
Power 8,962,414
MPR 6,188,877

The bar has been set!

QBRanger September 24 2011 1:52 PM EDT

The bar has been set even higher:

(T81) Fortunatto defeated FuerGrissa ost Drauka (Chaotic Serenity) after 12 rounds of combat

1 hit.

Score 8,842,153
Score for T81 8,217,566
Power 10,379,942
MPR 6,696,802

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] September 24 2011 3:25 PM EDT

The win condition doesn't work. Since it turns out that the tourney does drain score out of non-tourney chars, it just means whoever hits the highest pr/score first wins cause every hit after the score is drained even more.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] September 24 2011 3:57 PM EDT

(T81) IHaveMoneh defeated FuerGrissa ost Drauka (Chaotic Serenity) after 17 rounds of combat

At the time his stats were
Score 5,478,464
Score for T81 4,839,562
Power 10,379,986
MPR 6,696,802

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] September 24 2011 4:01 PM EDT

(T81) IHaveMoneh defeated Guernica (Hell Blenders) after 17 rounds of combat

And how broken is the Ex bow?
Score 7,674,108
Score for T81 6,287,994
Power 8,962,426
MPR 6,188,877

QBRanger September 24 2011 4:03 PM EDT

Copycat!!!

QBRanger September 24 2011 4:05 PM EDT

And how broken is the Ex bow?

Duh, very!

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] September 24 2011 4:14 PM EDT

its the only way to fight up way beyond your means ^^

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 4:26 PM EDT

An Enforcer's Crossbow [4x10000] (+362) worth $451,432,720 owned by QBRanger ((T81) Fortunatto)

Yeah well this absolutely should break any tank in the game..

Mine was x15k +400.. should've kept it before DEing everything

QBRanger September 24 2011 4:28 PM EDT

I am at 1/6the his MPR. It is the ONLY item in the game that lets me do this.

The "overpowered" ELB does not. The RBF does not. The RoS does not. DBs do not.

This is the only item needed.

I beat Guernica with a x5000 +0 exbow.

I only boosted the + to try to beat Z.

AdminTitan September 24 2011 4:30 PM EDT

I beat Guernica with a x5000 +0 exbow.

That's b/c Picasso is silly and uses EBs

QBRanger September 24 2011 4:33 PM EDT

So now every tank HAS to use DBs?

AdminTitan September 24 2011 4:35 PM EDT

Yes, if they want to beat exbow teams... or you know any of the other 4 ways to beat them I proposed.

Fishead September 24 2011 4:53 PM EDT

I'm sick of the Exbow (non)debate taking over threads. Give it a rest.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 5:01 PM EDT

Yes, if they want to beat exbow teams... or you know any of the other 4 ways to beat them I proposed.

This

I'm sick of the Exbow (non)debate taking over threads. Give it a rest

And doubly this.

Lets get back to the tourney shall we.

QBRanger September 24 2011 5:07 PM EDT

Actually the exbow does have a huge connection to this thread as it will be the sole determination of who wins this tourney.

Nothing lets you fight up as high as it does.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 5:22 PM EDT

You were given 2b to do whatever you wanted to to fight up as high as possible.. Proving that you can do it on the cheap with the exbow was not the point of this tourney, it was to have fun and try something new and different, to mess around with 2b nw and find a way to use all of it effectively at that MPR overcoming all of the ENC penalties and still making it work.

You didn't do that, you just showed the obvious of what Areo already proved and we've talked about extensively in other threads. You didn't even use all your money. Use all of it, go over the enc cap and then try to do the same.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 24 2011 5:50 PM EDT

Its not like its impossible to hit upwards with other setups. I beat Atomicboy without much trouble. Thats 7+ mil PR and score vs 2 mil PR.

Also, the exbow only looks to work alone against teams with only 1 damage source, that being a tank, and no EC or AMF. Also no high HP with TSA that can't be decayed.

QBRanger September 24 2011 6:40 PM EDT

Yea,

Ab is quite easy. I beat him with 3 different setups.

However, with the exbow there are multiple targets I can beat much higher up.

QBRanger September 24 2011 6:49 PM EDT

Another:

(T81) Fortunatto defeated Yanki after 17 rounds of combat

Score 7,590,461
Score for T81 7,369,959
Power 7,009,934
MPR 4,623,724

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 7:06 PM EDT

Congrats you found all the tanks wearing EBs (except Zen), the easiest ones to hit with the exbow.

While still managing to not 100% any of the first two you mentioned

Guernica (F) (+) 8 3 0 3 57.14 16.5 6:44 PM EDT
FuerGrissa ost Drauka (F) (+) 41 38 0 0 51.90 7.7 6:44 PM EDT

C'mon we both know you would -never- fight these people if you were that size growing a N*B, or any character for that matter, the win rates are atrocious.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] September 24 2011 7:18 PM EDT

I am baffled by the number of CB experts defending the ex bow.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] September 24 2011 7:40 PM EDT

My favorite part is i a have an Encumbrance 0.92 and still drain most of their str all in one shot... broken? Mayhap.

AdminTitan September 24 2011 7:41 PM EDT

My favorite part is i a have an Encumbrance 0.92 and still drain most of their str all in one shot... broken?

That's not the exbow's fault, that's the way ENC would work with any weapon. ENC doesn't lower the x of a weapon right?

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 7:45 PM EDT

My favorite part is i a have an Encumbrance 0.92 and still drain most of their str all in one shot... broken?

That's not the exbow's fault, that's the way ENC would work with any weapon. ENC doesn't lower the x of a weapon right?

Demi is correct, the ENC doesn't lower the X or the + on the weapon at all.

"If the NW of your minion is over the specific Encumbrance level for that minion, that minion takes a linear penalty on Evasion, DX, ST, AC and DD damage." From the wiki.


Its here, it's in the game, it's not going anywhere any time soon. If it bothers you, too bad, deal with it. If it directly affects you learn to defend against it. You want to go all out physical damage but don't want to set up any practical defenses against it? That's on you.

The weapon is only useful vs a minority of people in the game, and like any other weapon still requires a tank and NW to be effective with it. Sure the tank and weapon can be smaller, but size doesn't really matter a whole lot in this game. Small things can pack a punch too.

AdminTitan September 24 2011 7:48 PM EDT

My name is Titan :P

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 24 2011 8:01 PM EDT

Wow.. Fail. Sorry Titan, I honestly don't know why I said Demi >_> I mean... your name is right there, and your's and Demi's user pics look nothing alike.

I think I need to sleep for a change..

Gohan [Ka-Tet of the Serene] September 24 2011 8:55 PM EDT

Occam's Razor

Score 7,550,198
Score for T81 7,219,660
Power 7,386,003
MPR 5,231,307
Max Tattoo Level 14,935,699
Net Worth $380,960,494

Occam's Razor (F) (+) 3 1 0 0 75.00 10.5 8:35 PM EDT


(T81) DonaldGates Occam's Razor (F) (+) (death by jabberwocky) (T81) DonaldGates 13 8:35 PM EDT
(T81) DonaldGates Occam's Razor (F) (+) (death by jabberwocky) (T81) DonaldGates 13 8:35 PM EDT
(T81) DonaldGates Occam's Razor (F) (+) (death by jabberwocky) (T81) DonaldGates 11 8:34 PM EDT

got Zen a few times too, but his score for the tourney was at like 4m.

Admiralkiller September 24 2011 11:28 PM EDT

I think this is my best one

(T81) (T-81) Oranges BobbyTechHopsin (F) (+) (Chaotic Serenity) (T81) (T-81) Oranges 4 8:53 PM EDT

TH3 C0113CT0R September 25 2011 12:01 AM EDT

(T81) Last Try (T81) Super Joel (F) (+) (T81) Last Try 6 Sep 24

i could beat him all day, but i didn't save any ba so i dont' know if i could beat any of the guys ahead of me now

Joel September 25 2011 3:00 AM EDT



Rubicon (F) (+) 2 0 0 0 100.00 6.0 Sep 24
Rubicon
Score 6,507,212
Score for T81 1,447,939
Power 3,864,862
MPR 3,219,516
I hope it is real score and not T81 score that counts. I have a second best, just in case.


Results (F) (+) 29 0 0 0 100.00 7.0 Sep 24
Results
Score 6,212,283
Score for T81 4,855,315
Power 2,383,374
MPR 1,680,695

Joel September 25 2011 3:06 AM EDT

PassiveWin is my second best, if its only tourney score that counts!
Score 5,677,872
Score for T81 5,255,592
Power 2,386,635
MPR 1,633,635
PassiveWin (F) (+) 16 0 0 0 100.00 4.4 Sep 24

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] September 25 2011 3:29 AM EDT

Its here, it's in the game, it's not going anywhere any time soon. If it bothers you, too bad, deal with it. If it directly affects you learn to defend against it. You want to go all out physical damage but don't want to set up any practical defenses against it? That's on you.

My favourite part... too bad it has never bothered me, nor has it ever had anything to do with me... but Broken is broken need I say more. Keep in mind when I was top 10 I was using RoBF and a mini tank yet my tank didn't do anything for my team, so I have no qualms with the concept behind the exbow... but in its current state it is broken.

Quyen September 25 2011 4:06 AM EDT

Joel! Y u hit me XD

QBRanger September 25 2011 12:13 PM EDT

Very fun and interesting tourney. Thanks for a great time!

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 25 2011 2:50 PM EDT

TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) 67.188.3.63 Joel (Joel) $100000 -- Participation 2:50 PM EDT
TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) 67.188.3.63 L3G0 (L3G0) $100000 -- Participation 2:49 PM EDT
TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) 67.188.3.63 Crosses Streams (Demon Team) $100000 -- Participation 2:48 PM EDT
TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) 67.188.3.63 Gohan (Gohan) $250000 -- Third 2:48 PM EDT
TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) 67.188.3.63 DrAcO5676 (Poseidon) $500000 -- Second 2:47 PM EDT
TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) 67.188.3.63 QBRanger (Horror) $1000000 -- Winner 2:46 PM EDT

TH3 C0113CT0R September 25 2011 3:16 PM EDT

thanks! was fun!

Quyen September 25 2011 4:07 PM EDT

me no haz participation prize? XD

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] September 25 2011 4:09 PM EDT

You didn't post a target.

Quyen September 25 2011 4:11 PM EDT

my targets where worth nothing :P

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] September 25 2011 4:31 PM EDT

Meh I didn't bother posting my targets, I don't really care about the money I just had fun messing around with 2b CBD.


Grats to the winners.

Vation September 25 2011 4:45 PM EDT

Was fun making my 510 AC tank set xD

TH3 C0113CT0R September 25 2011 4:46 PM EDT

question was i the only one that was playing without being ENC'd?

QBRanger September 25 2011 4:56 PM EDT

I was able to beat Guernica and Yanki without any ENC issues.
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