Average 9.9 Mil+ Physical damage a round. (in Contests)


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 5:37 PM EST

I'd like someone to post an average of hitting over 9.9m damage in asingle round (including multiple hits) facing a target with no defense.

No AC, Dex, or anything else.

For the prize, I've just found I've got some stuff (AoI/TSA something else) on a retired minion, and you can have your pick of the gear, if you agree to pay the unretire/Xfer fee (I've got no cash to do this myself).

First three CBers to post will get an item of thier choice. First come, first served.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 5:41 PM EST

Prizes are;

An AoI
A TSA
A HoC

TH3 C0113CT0R December 25 2011 5:42 PM EST

lol i would love the AoI but i do nowhere near 9.9m damage much less 1mil :(

Goku December 25 2011 5:43 PM EST

Gyaxx pulverized Hal [22,652,121] TSA plz

QBRanger December 25 2011 5:43 PM EST

The only person who may possible hit that is novice and AA.

But then again, it takes a 350M NW weapon to do so, when in another thread we have proven SG and CoC can do far more.

Atomicboy [The Knighthood] December 25 2011 5:44 PM EST

Timebomb's Decay hit Morale [11,782,327]

QBOddBird December 25 2011 5:44 PM EST

Doesn't look like you've differentiated between magic, ranged, or melee damage in your contest terms here.

Atomicboy [The Knighthood] December 25 2011 5:44 PM EST

oops not physical lol

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 5:45 PM EST

Who was the attacker? Have you got a copy of the fight? Is that a usual average hit? If a Hal was the target, they at least have DEX, if not AC to lower the damage.

QBRanger December 25 2011 5:45 PM EST

It is clearly stated in the title of the thread OB.

I will state that the SoC can do tens of millions of damage. But it is clearly not as reliable as SG or CoC.

QBOddBird December 25 2011 5:46 PM EST

My bad, only ranged and melee damage count. Didn't catch the thread title.

AdminTitan December 25 2011 6:34 PM EST

It's not possible without AS vs. a MoD, or a SoC flash.

Nov doesn't even come close, AA was getting close on rounds he quad hit, but he trip hit sometimes.

AdminTitan December 25 2011 6:39 PM EST

Lest we should forget, this is what AA's SoD look like.

Valheru Dragon Bow [5x21000] (+240) owned by Ancient Anubis (The Immortals)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 7:58 PM EST

I'm fine with AS versus a MoD.

But I'm surprised.

We're really saying that on average, no Melee damage dealer can out damage the largest CoC in the game?

Phoenix [The Forgehood] December 25 2011 8:07 PM EST

I think the problem is that there isn't quite as much investment into melee as there is into ranged.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] December 25 2011 8:18 PM EST

The Immortals (The Knighthood) defeated 10RoBF after 2 rounds of combat

against my -5 AC mule

Magician's Magic Missile hit Harpir [2,017,857]
R.I.P. Harpir

Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,634,701], Oldkiken [790,410], Ranfasseo [790,410]
Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,080,094]
Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,623,456]
Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,506,324]
R.I.P. 10 left/1 at 41K, Oldkiken, Ranfasseo

not sure if you meant single target or if you just meant 10m damage total (though single target gets to 9.8m)

I'll totally grab the TSA if it's the latter.

By the way, minion names seem to be a snag when posting a battle log that lasts 2 rounds. Especially if they're just randomly hired, like mine.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] December 25 2011 8:22 PM EST

The Immortals (The Knighthood) defeated 10RoBF after 2 rounds of combat

Magician's Magic Missile hit Harpir [2,151,119]
R.I.P. Harpir

Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,885,852], Oldkiken [865,755], Ranfasseo [865,755]
Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,091,536]
Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,806,351]
Valheru's explosive shot hit 10 left/1 at 41K [2,577,332]
R.I.P. 10 left/1 at 41K, Oldkiken, Ranfasseo

10.3m on a single target ;)

By the way, sorry for the triple post. Just thought it would be interesting if I were to try winning.

What I said about minion names still stands, by the way. It's quite annoying to have to add a lot of extra words, but I suppose that's just me being too lazy to add a no spell check tag and then reformatting in html.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 8:22 PM EST

Awesome MP, The TSA is yours for the unretire and xfer fee.

lostling December 25 2011 8:31 PM EST

i know its over but i thought i would post this

Death Lord's shield flashes! [5,744,718]
Death Lord pulverized Amipere [10,091,303]
Death Lord draws strength from his weapon! [973258]
Amipere's Guardian Angel smote Death Lord (1,003,843)
Death Lord pulverized Amipere [37,038]

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 8:36 PM EST

Well, there's still an AoI and HoC up for grabs.

But SoC flashes (I probably should have added this in the OP...) generally distort things, as it depends on your opponents incoming damage, and don't really show a true picture.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 25 2011 8:47 PM EST

Due to being an idiot, I don't actually have any prizes to give away for this contest. :/

Quyen December 26 2011 5:05 AM EST

Omgz GL, u wasted MP his BA! >:O

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] December 26 2011 7:50 AM EST

Mick Taylor skewered with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,410,929]
Mick Taylor skewered with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,000,057]
Mick Taylor skewered with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,299,997]
Mick Taylor skewered with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,166,194]
Mick Taylor skewered with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [1,790,441]
Mick Taylor cries "See, Head on a Stick!"
R.I.P.

Does that count?

Quyen December 26 2011 8:17 AM EST

wow quint.

Sickone December 26 2011 10:38 AM EST

I'm a bit shy of the target amount even with 4 hits :(


Ranged Combat
Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,437,652]
Greater Halidon Familiar shot Pwnyboy [1,484,006]
Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,115,648]
Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,467,644]
Pwnyboy regenerated 375,000 HP

Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,462,440]
Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,415,806]
Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,575,607]
Pwnyboy overshot Greater Halidon Familiar
Pwnyboy regenerated 375,000 HP

Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,425,638]
Greater Halidon Familiar hit Pwnyboy [1,016,965]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Pwnyboy [1,350,603]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
Pwnyboy overshot Greater Halidon Familiar
Pwnyboy regenerated 375,000 HP
R.I.P. Pwnyboy

Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Pwnyboy [1,241,937]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Pwnyboy [1,126,593]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Pwnyboy [1,487,395]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Pwnyboy [1,560,857]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
Pwnyboy overshot Greater Halidon Familiar
Pwnyboy regenerated 375,000 HP
R.I.P. Pwnyboy

Greater Halidon Familiar shot Timebomb's familiar [1,858,319]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Timebomb's familiar [2,101,206]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Timebomb's familiar [1,938,288]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Timebomb's familiar [2,192,152]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
R.I.P. Timebomb's familiar

Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Timebomb [2,039,008]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Timebomb [1,917,763]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Timebomb [2,000,408]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Timebomb [1,771,543]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
Timebomb's Decay hit Greater Halidon Familiar [5,284,069]
R.I.P. Timebomb


...

another target

...

Ranged Combat
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Fox [2,214,153]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Fox [2,113,172]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Fox [1,698,348]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
Hal's shot ricocheted near Greater Halidon Familiar
Wolf's shot went wide of Greater Halidon Familiar
R.I.P. Fox

Greater Halidon Familiar hit Hal [1,795,283]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Hal [2,506,303]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Hal [2,254,782]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
Hal's shot flew past Greater Halidon Familiar
Wolf undershot Greater Halidon Familiar
R.I.P. Hal

Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Wolf [1,894,784]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Wolf [2,380,581]
Greater Halidon Familiar skewered Wolf [2,007,998]
Greater Halidon Familiar struck deep into Wolf [2,510,888]
Greater Halidon Familiar cries "Daisy, daisy, daaaaaisyyyy...!"
Wolf's shot flew past Greater Halidon Familiar
R.I.P. Wolf

Quyen December 26 2011 11:01 AM EST

Sickone, at your post, pwnyboy zombied :|

QBRanger December 26 2011 11:35 AM EST

Mick Taylor hit Magnificent Macaroni with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,278,873]
Magnificent Macaroni's Guardian Angel smote Mick Taylor (836,127)
Mick Taylor hit Magnificent Macaroni with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [1,584,416]
Magnificent Macaroni's Guardian Angel smote Mick Taylor (744,917)
Mick Taylor skewered Magnificent Macaroni with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [1,958,424]
Magnificent Macaroni's Guardian Angel smote Mick Taylor (33,700)
Mick Taylor struck deep into Magnificent Macaroni with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,109,064]
Mick Taylor skewered Magnificent Macaroni with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [2,260,027]
Mick Taylor struck deep into Magnificent Macaroni with Vengeance of the 4 Winds [1,581,210]

My best of 6 hits a round. Still a far cry from what MM's JKF can do.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 11:42 AM EST

11.7M with a 530M Mageseeker (not even an ELbow).

I take it that was a hit in Ranged?

How much damage do you think you'd do with a 530M BoNE and BL? Especially seeing as there isn't a Melee Weapon above 360M in NW currently.

QBRanger December 26 2011 11:49 AM EST

Possibly more than 11M.

But the BTH of the Bone is 40 while the MSB is 99.

And if I were to use and ELB add about 50% to that damage.

However, if one were to make a 500M BoNE one has to wait till melee to use it, and then be subjected to 0M SG and COC doing as much damage always hitting. While the Bone or other melee weapon has to go against more armor, the SoC, the ToE and DBs. The SG and CoC only go against the + on armor and the MgS.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 11:53 AM EST

And AMF, of course. Oh and AC+. Oh and RoBF reduction.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 11:54 AM EST

Well, it looks like Ranged Weapons can out damage SG/CoC.

And if Melee Weapons can't, it's only becuase the same amount of investment hasn't been placed in them.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 11:55 AM EST

If we had an edit button, I'd edit away the AC+ form mine, as it's superfluous. :(

QBRanger December 26 2011 12:02 PM EST

AMF is almost useless vs high level CoC/SG due to the NSC.

The highest AMF vs my IF is .22 and I still manage to do 7+M to the JKF when it is the only minion left.

Vs DM (of which most characters now use) I do upwards of 9M a hit to solo minions.

All for 0 cost.

One can make a 500M NW weapon and I think they have in tournaments. But the real question is why? When you get the same damage or nearly the same for 0 cost. Money that can be used in upgrading armor, or NSC or other items.

Also, except for a few minion, there are a handful that can actually wield a 500M NW melee item and have some ENC left over for other items at useful upgrades.

I personally, cannot see the benefit of making a 500M NW melee weapon. And I think all of CB views it the same way. Otherwise we would have much higher ones than we currently do.

Theories are great. But most time they never work out as thought in real life or real game situations.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 12:27 PM EST

One can make a 500M NW weapon and I think they have in tournaments. But the real question is why? When you get the same damage or nearly the same for 0 cost. Money that can be used in upgrading armor, or NSC or other items.

Then why bother making an 800M NW Ranged weapon?

QBRanger December 26 2011 12:29 PM EST

Then why bother making an 800M NW Ranged weapon?

You attack first and before CoC or SG casts.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 12:36 PM EST

So if you make an 800M Melee Weapon, you can equal if not outpace CoC/SG damage.

Yet no one does, becuase you can do the same with an 800M Ranged weapon, *and go first*.

I think this revelation has just finished two threads. ;)

QBRanger December 26 2011 12:52 PM EST

Yes,

We both agree melee damage sucks. It is something we have agreed on in the past.

Compared to free always hitting DD damage, it is no contest.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 1:08 PM EST

Melee damage doesn't suck.

It's just Ranged is *better*.

If you had invested the NW you put into your Mageseeker into a Melee weapon instead, you'd be out damaging the largest DD in the game.

While having access to VA or other perks.

QBRanger December 26 2011 1:15 PM EST

Is 500M worth the benefits you get from using a MoD or a VB or a MH vs the free almost equivalent damage you get from using SG or CoC?

For me of course not as that 500M could be used far more effectively on armors.

There is no comparable damage to missile weapons, so yes, 500M into a missile weapon is worth it.

All I can say is that nobody except novice has spent more than 200M into a melee weapon, while there are quite a few 200M missile weapons.

Again, theory is great. Practical application is what matters.

Mikel December 26 2011 1:17 PM EST

If you can dodge an exbow in ranged and survive long enough to make it to melee. Otherwise a melee tank is screwed. Now if Str returned in Melee if you are using a melee weapon, that would be a neat counter to the exbow.

TH3 C0113CT0R December 26 2011 1:44 PM EST

yes it sure would, but what is the new weapon based on, generating str out of thin air? stealing it from the opponent?

Also to consider, do you have to do damage to generate the str or will it just generate a huge amount of str regardless.

if you have no str to do damage then you can't generate str. just my 2 cents.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 26 2011 1:59 PM EST

Is 500M worth the benefits you get from using a MoD or a VB or a MH vs the free almost equivalent damage you get from using SG or CoC?

Well it's better than the free damage you could have got from FB/MM, with *no* VA or the like...

Otherwise you wouldn't be using a 500M NW ranged weapon, would you.

QBRanger December 26 2011 3:00 PM EST

Well it's better than the free damage you could have got from FB/MM, with *no* VA or the like...

FB and MM do nowhere near the damage of missile weapons.

CoC and SG do near the damage of melee weapons.

AdminTitan December 26 2011 3:03 PM EST

The exbow alone is enough of a deterrent to make someone want to go ranged over melee tank... alone. If you're going to go heavy tank, unless you have an extra 400M+ go mage. Or go mage put the 400M into AC and be invincible.

AdminTitan December 26 2011 3:04 PM EST

So, btw that was a round about way of answering this question:

Is 500M worth the benefits you get from using a MoD or a VB or a MH vs the free almost equivalent damage you get from using SG or CoC?

No.

QBRanger December 26 2011 3:04 PM EST

Certainly Titan has a very valid point.

With the exbow, why put 400M into a melee weapon when you get hit by the exbow and lose all ability to use it properly?

QBRanger December 26 2011 3:14 PM EST

Grotesque's Cone of Cold hit -Epitaph [8,808,028]

Hard to beat that always hitting damage.

AdminTitan December 26 2011 3:16 PM EST

Hard to beat that always hitting damage.

But what about AMF... you could train 7M levels of it and you might notice a difference!

QBRanger December 26 2011 3:23 PM EST

But what about AMF... you could train 7M levels of it and you might notice a difference!

Really?

7M AMF vs a 16M familiar using +15 NSC would give me about .13 effect.

For 7M levels that could be spend in other things including more hp that effect is minimal. I will give an example:

AMF .18 effect:

Grotesque's Cone of Cold hit Kano-san [2,713,355], Mrs. County, eventually [1,353,422]

That is 4M damage, for free vs an over 7M AMF.

Why make a 400M melee weapon that can be nerfed by the exbow when you get that sort of "free" damage?

AdminTitan December 26 2011 3:24 PM EST

I forgot my to close my <sarcasm> tags... I was kidding. AMF is a joke.

Quyen December 26 2011 3:29 PM EST

Buff AMF :D

QBRanger December 26 2011 3:59 PM EST

The problem with AMF is the NSC.

If anything is to be changed, make the NSC only effect the amount of AMF backlash.

But IMO, AMF became nearly useless once that item came out.
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