Char Runner!!! (in Services)


Zenai April 19 2012 6:53 PM EDT

Tired? Need a break from the grind for a while? Don't want to lose the ground you have managed to scrape up to?

Well then I just may be the person who can help you. In the process of making a comeback I felt I needed to make some CBD the good ole fashioned way and decided this should be the way to do it.

I am as you all know a dedicated player with one hell of a BA burning schedule. With this in mind know that in your stead I would run your char without fail.....for a fee of course.

Post up here the char. If I am interested I will CM you back and we can negotiate the terms.

2 things that will be in stone: You pay full Xfer and BA Fees.

BestNUB April 19 2012 6:55 PM EDT

Welcome back?

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Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] April 20 2012 1:03 AM EDT

So much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsUgZANvAbU

AdminNightStrike April 20 2012 2:25 PM EDT

I'm curious how much this would really cost. My char, for example, is about 17.5m to send. That's 34m for the round trip. BA is 215k a day. So 1.5m a week.

Then a fee on top of that?

It's probably better to run an NCB for someone.

Zenai April 20 2012 2:40 PM EDT

Well I would be spending my time in their stead so I would need some kind of compensation don't you think.

Most of the people up Top do not want to lose ground which is why I came up with this. If you can implement something like this in a better way I'm all ears.

Lower Char Xfer Fees, Char Vacation Mode, Char Loan Feature are the first things to come to mind for me.........

AdminNightStrike April 20 2012 2:50 PM EDT

I'm guessing the char transfer fees are so high to make this hard to do. I'm personally not against it at all. In fact, it's people helping people, which is good. I just think a good target market is people with small characters, or with an NCB.

Zenai April 20 2012 6:34 PM EDT

Oh for sure that is a good market. I'm just trying to hit a niche and I guess inadvertently making a point that this should be something to look at and maybe make leeway for.

I think if older players or even new ones that had large chars that they liked a lot had alternative options for the way they could play their char they would take it.

As it stands there is only 3 options right now:
1) Take a break and lose ground for the duration of the break.
2) Take a break and when they return retire their char & run an NCB.
3) Pay out of the wazoo to have someone run their beloved char.

I'm sure if they could loan their char and items to a person for a month for relatively cheap so I could take a well earned and needed break.........

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 22 2012 1:25 PM EDT

I disagree, like a lot, that this ever needs to be implemented into the game.

j'bob April 22 2012 1:41 PM EDT

I say this with all due respect ... But,

If someone just needs a break or doesn't quite have the time to run their own character then what's the difference between letting someone here do it for them and using a bot or script?

Didn't someone here once even get read the riot act because he was in the room with his significant other and had her click click click for him for a bit?

I appreciate the act of trying to help but think it goes against so many things here.

Tal [G6] April 22 2012 2:16 PM EDT

j'bob thats per account usage rules not character transfers

j'bob April 22 2012 3:24 PM EDT

Make no mistake, I understand the technical differences. And I won't beat a dead horse about how I feel but I don't really agree that it should be allowed.

Zenai April 22 2012 6:47 PM EDT

You don't agree with a char loan feature? Then why have equipment rentals/loans or any other feature for that matter?

Might as well make it all mega hardcore and just play.....sarcastic yes making a point definitely. Everyone has an opinion this one is mine. I'm sure some will disagree but such is life.

I guess my overall thought is that the higher end of the game is getting the shaft while the lower end is catered to hand over foot. Higher end needs another break whether it is lower Xfer costs, Vacation Mode or a New Char Loan Feature. Honestly I think this could help out more than just the high end of the game but that is just me.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 23 2012 3:38 PM EDT

I've played CB for 10 years. I have to think there is a reason that character loaning is not allowed. There's a reason character transfers are so expensive and were not even in the game for a long time. If someone wants to do it badly enough they should have to pay that much money to loan a character.

If we were going to reward people for taking vacations don't you think there would already be a vacation feature? Which has been asked for numerous times and declined each time.

Why would someone who say takes 2 months off a year from CB deserve to lose nothing but money while someone who fought for an entire year ends up with the same progress?

Loaning items and money are not the same thing as loaning a character. Unless the character is going to gain no experience. The only way I would be ok with loaning of characters is if a loaned character had experience rewards turned off. It could still be used for monetary gain, forging, and tattoo leveling but nothing more.

The only difference between loaning a character and multi-ing is that the other person is not signing on to your account. It should cost a lot of money if you want to abuse that loop hole.

Zenai April 25 2012 9:57 AM EDT

Josh change happens and I have found more often than not that when it is denied it is not because of aesthetics or functionality, it is due to difficulty of programming.

Now your length of time playing, on and off, should have no true bearing on the conversation. However just for evening out the verbal battlefield I have been playing since roughly 04' so I'm no spring chicken either. (Doesn't seem to fit does it?)

Since that time I have watched really good people leave and not come back due to one factor....Time. Everyone needs to have a break and honestly the argument of pseudo multing is just plain wrong and riddled with fallacy when compared to this.

CB is a game not work and honestly people should not be punished for treating it how it is or for wanting something reasonable......like time off. Just because I have extra work or a life outside of the game shouldn't mean I am to be thrown back characterwise. More often than not I have seen optimistic players flip flop because they had to take a couple days off and now they are extremely behind(N*B).

NCBs are insanely expensive if you truly want to compete and let's be honest CB is highly competitive to say the least. So it is either have someone run the NCB for you, pseudo multing by your definition, or just tough it out. If you can't afford it or this was THE run you had worked/planned for so long to do....... Kinda unfair when life happens and you have put in a TON of Work and Cash both CBD and USD.

All I am saying is this is something that should be taken into account, not everything should be blindsided by negativity just because there is a possibility of it.

j'bob April 25 2012 10:20 AM EDT

I agree that there should be a system in place to keep people from burning out. However I think it should be something CONSTANT. Equal across the board. And that would mean something that didn't cost money (real or otherwise) because some people play with far more of a budget than others. Something that didn't rely on another human element also. What if two people wanted ...no, needed a break at the same time. But one had already approached you about running their character. Now the other will have to suffer, even if by only having to settle on another (if even available) player who may not have the dedication you have.

Transfers for weapons and such are completely different. That stuff is bought and sold regularly.

Vacation mode.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 25 2012 6:03 PM EDT

I mentioned my length of time playing because I've seen vacation time and things related to it requested numerous times since 2002. Jon's answer to people requesting vacation time was the ability to purchase BA. Considering the number of changes Jon made over the course of CB1 and a brand new CB2 that could have included something like this I have to think it had nothing to do with programming. And based on my memory of the threads I know that to be true.

He never wanted to reward people for missing time. This game is and always was supposed to be about community first, game second. If you want to quit because you are not going to have the best character in the game then you are playing for the wrong reason.

I can think of few, if any, people who quit because they had to miss BA and could not catch up. That is not to say many have not quit because their real life demanded more of their time. If that is the case, so be it. Live your real life then, you should. We already have a much longer BA regeneration time than we ever did initially to help with that.

The point I am making is that if one person is able to play continuously and another is not, why should the person who is not be rewarded?

You're right, NCBs are expensive, transferring a character at the current price is much less expensive, hundreds of millions less actually because of purchasable BA cost. We need to reduce it even further now so people can miss time while another person continues to play. And the person that wasn't playing only misses out on a few million CB$? No, I do not think we do. Furthermore don't you think there is a reason it costs so much to transfer characters? To impede the ability of transfers back and forth I would think.

If someone else runs your NCB they are committing the full 6 months and own that character. They then give you ownership of the character once they send it to you. Sure you could play the character for awhile and then send it back to the person who ran the NCB but you'd be paying full price for the transfer and transferring ownership back to that person. This is not multi-ing. Loaning is two people running a single character, psuedo multi-ing in my opinion as ownership is not transferred.

Zenai April 25 2012 7:53 PM EDT

Ok I guess I have to switch modes here.....ok fine.

I mentioned my length of time playing because I've seen vacation time and things related to it requested numerous times since 2002.

So what sometimes you have to try a million and one times before you get the change reviewed. It happens that way a LOT in the world here is no different.

Jon's answer to people requesting vacation time was the ability to purchase BA. Considering the number of changes Jon made over the course of CB1 and a brand new CB2 that could have included something like this I have to think it had nothing to do with programming. And based on my memory of the threads I know that to be true.

Case in point that is the past and even though Jon still owns CB this is NSs world now.

He never wanted to reward people for missing time. This game is and always was supposed to be about community first, game second.

Thank you for making my point for me.

If you want to quit because you are not going to have the best character in the game then you are playing for the wrong reason.

How about I need a break and really don't want to lose months or in some cases years worth of work? Truthfully it's unfair to FORCE someone to take a hit because of YOUR sense of fair play. Duly noted that this is also my opinion but it is the main reason I am bringing it up in this way. I do not have to agree with you and no matter how much you type I will not change my mind. How about we agree to disagree and part ways?

I can think of few, if any, people who quit because they had to miss BA and could not catch up.

I can and probably should but won't since it is not my place to do so.

That is not to say many have not quit because their real life demanded more of their time. If that is the case, so be it. Live your real life then, you should. We already have a much longer BA regeneration time than we ever did initially to help with that.

A band aid on a bullet wound from how long ago? Something new needs to be implemented and whether you like my suggestion or not you know I am right in saying so.

The point I am making is that if one person is able to play continuously and another is not, why should the person who is not be rewarded?

And Vice Versa is also true if you decide to look at it from the flip side. Truth to be told it is only an idea and one of a few I proposed. Main reason why I though about char Loans is not just because of help with the Burn out factor but also the Char Disposal system that has developed as a result of the N*B System. There will be less trash chars if people can experiment with chars that have similar set ups minion/exp distributed/etc wise.

You're right, NCBs are expensive, transferring a character at the current price is much less expensive, hundreds of millions less actually because of purchasable BA cost.

Honestly a rescale of the costs should have been made a long time ago as a LOT has changed since the last time it was done.

We need to reduce it even further now so people can miss time while another person continues to play. And the person that wasn't playing only misses out on a few million CB$? No, I do not think we do.

The System as it stands is only rewarding those who have an abundance of time which in and of itself is wrong. My idea as far as a Char Loan Feature would only help to regulate it and if the Prices were right help everyone be able to do it while setting up a new business type that would assist in stimulating the CB Economy......at least I hope that it would. At this point it is all theory and conjecture.

Furthermore don't you think there is a reason it costs so much to transfer characters? To impede the ability of transfers back and forth I would think.

It id old and outdated as many things in CB are. Still though Thank You NS(and Crew) for all of the hard work you have been doing up front and behind the scenes.

If someone else runs your NCB they are committing the full 6 months and own that character. They then give you ownership of the character once they send it to you.

Someone Paying someone else to run a character NCB or not is no different whether transferred or loaned. You are splitting hairs here.

Sure you could play the character for awhile and then send it back to the person who ran the NCB but you'd be paying full price for the transfer and transferring ownership back to that person. This is not multi-ing. Loaning is two people running a single character, psuedo multi-ing in my opinion as ownership is not transferred.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law I agree but helping someone out when they need it is Multi-ing? I have to say you are seeing the cup half empty but you are welcome to your opinion bro.

Just curious do you consider Tat Leveling the same? The reason I ask is because there is the Tat Loan Feature and well Familiars have all of the same elements as a char(admittedly with locked in stats).


Now if there was a different system in place IE Rolling Bonus or a Pseudo Rolling Bonus( I believe Nat suggested a really good one) this would basically be a non issue. However since I highly doubt, but secretly hope for, a Rolling Bonus would be implemented alternate features like Char Loans, Reduced/Rescaled Xfers Costs and Vacation Mode are asked for repeatedly. Can't blame a person for asking Josh.

Fishead April 25 2012 9:20 PM EDT

Vacation mode: Stop playing. Seriously, I almost completely stopped for 4 weeks durring the xmas new years time and nothing changed for me when I came back. I probably burned 2 days worth of BA in that time. If you need more than 4 weeks of a break, you're taking one helluva vacation.

If you're worried about loosing ground while you're away, you've got to expect that everyone here will take a break at some time and it should all come out in the wash.

Zenai April 25 2012 9:36 PM EDT

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Zenai April 25 2012 9:44 PM EDT

Fishhead: And in that time you could have been 4 weeks further ahead. Also I honestly cannot say from "One" occurrence that what you say is true for "All" occurrences of the same kind. You may have gotten lucky, which happens from time to time not all the time.......

To go with that I cannot say hey he's a highly competitive player as this is who would benefit the most from it. Casual players tend to not give a care if they miss a day or two while hard core players who eat, drink and breath CB miss even one BA it is a terrible thing and makes for a bad day.

Now to comment of expecting it to come out in the wash. No offense intended but that is purely a positive opinion and not a fact. So with this in mind those that take it more serious than casual just may not see it they same way. Perspective is indeed King.

I would say a good section of this thread is more Debate than Services and should probably be moved there. Could a Admin assist with this?

Fishead April 25 2012 9:59 PM EDT

Zen: See the new thread I started, I hope to get some perspective from this. I also didn't waht to further hijack this thread. I didn't mean to attack you in any way, it just seems to me that if you are truly "hard core" then why are you taking a break to begin with and it you are truly "hard core" you would wouldn't complain about loosing ground by not playing. Not loosing ground bytaking a break is one of the advantages of being more dedicated than other people. In a sense, isn't a vacation mode really for the people who don't want to put the time in?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 25 2012 11:39 PM EDT

Character Loaning is an incredibly bad idea. There is no way this could not break the game, and that's all it would be good for.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 25 2012 11:45 PM EDT

You would probably like reasons why I suppose. There is a reason that it was changed not too long ago that you couldn't xfer your character to someone else if they had over 160 ba. Well, char loans would basically undo that and open the door to massive abuse to ncbs.

Another thing is that loans only work for up to 1 week at a time and this does not seem to be the time frame you're looking at.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] April 26 2012 8:21 AM EDT

^ Without even reading the rest of the thread I can easily put those fears to rest Tasha.

1.) Make it so N*Bs characters cannot be loaned.
2.) Loaning a character has a specific amount of time where it -can't- be sent back (IE: 1 day/3 days/1 week whatever.) This completely shuts out all potential abuse you speak of.
3.) Increase the period of time that characters (or hell even items for that matter) can be loaned for. Is there any particular reason that it's one week only? Why not add a month to the options?

BTW This doesn't mean I'm for or against the idea at all, I'm just pointing out the potential abuse and complications in general that you see with the idea are easily put to rest simply by tweaking a few things.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] April 26 2012 8:26 AM EDT

Oh and if it wasn't obvious, keep the limitation of not being able to loan characters to other people with over 160 ba, same as if transferring the character.

Zenai April 26 2012 10:19 AM EDT

Xeno took the words right out of my mouth. Possibly the only other thing I might add is to set it to where once the daily BA Limit is reached BA cannot be burned on the char on return day. If you think it would help with the minor abuse on it at that time.
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