Vacation mode (in General)

Fishead April 25 2012 9:34 PM EDT

I know vacation mode has been requested and will probably not be implemented. This isn't really about "creating a vacation mode". IMHO, just go on vacation. CB will probably still be here when you come back. Hell, I stopped for almost 5 years and my account was still active when I came back.

I'm wondering how many people here have never taken a 1-4 week break from playing, and how long have they been playing without a break?

For those who have taken a break, what were the consequences?

I barely burned any BA for 4 weeks durring the Xmas New Years time this year and didn't notice a change in my fight list. I wasn't even on vacation, life just got busy.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 25 2012 10:03 PM EDT

I would think that you should specify: Regular game play vs a NCB run. and Casual Player vs. Hardcore CBer

It matters differently to these groups and in those instances.

Now for me, avid hard core CBer at the time, it was bad I took a couple days off when in regular gameplay although growthwise it did hurt just not terribly.

When it happened during my NCB run, missed a half day, it felt like the end of the world since it was part Big Exp time and I lost a TON of possible growth.

Fishead April 25 2012 10:06 PM EDT

I'll leave the specifics up to the individual. Yes, it is different durring a N*B, but that's only for 6 months. In a game like this, 6 months is a short time, at least for the hard core dedicated players.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 25 2012 10:14 PM EDT

I apologize for the Double Post here just answering back from another thread.

Zen: See the new thread I started, I hope to get some perspective from this. I also didn't waht to further hijack this thread.

Thanks for that, it seems to happen a lot with my

I didn't mean to attack you in any way,

No perceived bro :-)

it just seems to me that if you are truly "hard core" then why are you taking a break to begin with

No one it a robot, everyone needs a break. That is my point.

and it you are truly "hard core" you would wouldn't complain about loosing ground by not playing.

Not playing by freak of nature RL instance is different from CB burnout. It happens to everyone and if a bit of a break would allow a Hard Core player to put in even more time later more effectively then why not ask for it?

Not loosing ground bytaking a break is one of the advantages of being more dedicated than other people.

no that is the benefit of having more time on your hands not a measure of dedication.

In a sense, isn't a vacation mode really for the people who don't want to put the time in?

I would say for a select few this may be true and no doubt those players would get a bit of a benefit from it. This however would not be true for everyone and it would be unfair to group all players in the same category.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 25 2012 10:52 PM EDT

In response to the other thread since this one seems more fitting,

I do not disagree that changes need to be made to keep this game interesting.

I disagree that this change needs to be a vacation mode or character loaning service. It needs to be items and armor. It needs to be a change to NUB/NCB.

I agree a rolling bonus would make many happy, it would remove any perceived needs for a vacation mode, and remove the ridiculousness that is the NUB.

I also do not see a reason to decrease the price of character transfers. 18mil for a 6.4mil MPR character is too much in your eyes? A great NCB run would be the only way to achieve this quickly and would cost way way more. An average NCB and additional time invested would likely be 1 year+. And it only costs you 18mil or $36 depending on how you want to look at it. That doesn't seem like a lot to me at all.

Again, my thought process is that it should cost a lot to have someone else play your character at no loss to your growth. Having to pay two transfers is a fine way to do this. In addition, its not fair to the person who did not get burned out and continued to play there character on there own.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 25 2012 10:53 PM EDT

there/their fail :(

TH3 C0113CT0R April 25 2012 11:03 PM EDT

I took like a 4-5 year break, suffered large, a 5m character was huge when I left, now its like 10m is huge.. lol...

If not for buying chaotic, I would have quit again by now.. its just so hard to get to the top, even with a NCB you need to fund it.. if you leave and come back you are screwed...

Fishead April 25 2012 11:25 PM EDT

You couldn't possibly expect some sort of compensation for missing 5 years. I left for 5 years, came back, ran two NCB's and was happy with the second. It's been nearly two years that I've been back. I gave away everything when I left and came back to characters with about 250k CBD and the generosity of Tal who gave me an AoM. So, I basically started from scratch.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 25 2012 11:25 PM EDT

Vacation mode would be for like a one month break, not 4-5 years. A break of that size and the difficultly to catch up speaks more to NCB/NUB needed changes.

In my opinion at the top character growth is about 500k MPR every 6 months, so if you miss a month you fell back 83K MPR. Cmon, you missed out on 1-2% of your MPR. In addition, most people are going to miss out on time also.

That lost growth can be reduced further by increasing your fight list and while taking smaller rewards still getting rewards so that less time can be spent in game. 160 BA can be burned in like 3min. 3min of burning whenever you've got sometime should be fine for burned out players.

Another option is purchasing BA and burning once a week. Sure you lost some BA but you only have to commit an hour or two to CB once a week. Again, should be fine for helping with a burned out player getting a break.

Those two options require less time and dedication without a huge loss in growth and still require you to play some. And even a month off is not a huge loss in growth. Again, 1-2% of your MPR.

You should not be able to walk away from the game for a month and come back to no lost growth though.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 25 2012 11:43 PM EDT

Vacation mode is really not the way we want to be going with CB. It would be another reason to go away from the game and that would drive another nail in the coffin. Rather than finding ways to keep people away, you want to find ways to keep them there in the game. The main problem I've seen for a long time is that it is far too easy to hold your position as long as you manage to burn your ba and do a fair job at it. There is almost no leeway to shift and catch up to anyone. You can do it, but the vast majority would not have the patience to keep that far up on it.

TH3 C0113CT0R April 25 2012 11:52 PM EDT

Fish, LOL im not looking for compensation, your joking I hope.. Im just saying its really really hard to catch up without a huge amount of CBD or USD to make a NCB run worth while.

Im moving at the end of the month and won't have internet for a week or so, why should my character suffer? why shouldn't I be able to pay someone to run my character for those weeks JUST LIKE forging, rent/loan them the item, they work on it, I pay... Rent/loan them the character for 2 weeks they use him I pay..

why should I have to pay 7m one direction for that to happen, 14m just so my character doesn't miss those 2 weeks, 14m is a JOKE!

Fishead April 26 2012 12:50 AM EDT

We're getting off track here. I didn't mean to start a thread about vacation mode.

This was meant to be more of a survey of who has taken a relatively short break and what were the consequences? And, who has never taken such a break and how long have they played without a break?

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 26 2012 1:01 AM EDT

To stay on track as you requested. I miss BA daily, I almost do not play at all on the weekend, and I still enjoy the game.

This was true back when I had a 5mil MPR character as well. Actually I enjoyed end game less than forging and much less than running a NCB. And I consider reaching 6 ba regen end game for reference.

Yes, you should lose those 2 weeks that you are moving. Everyone else has lost time and missed BA. And besides, you'll still be up 5 1/2 months since you bought a character anyway.

Adminedyit [Superheros] April 26 2012 6:48 AM EDT

rolling bonus....

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 26 2012 8:40 AM EDT

My idea on Vacation Mode would have leaned on a Week Vacation, two would be pushing it to the extreme imho.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 26 2012 10:42 AM EDT

rolling bonus....

What's that Ed, can't quite hear you. ;)

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 26 2012 1:24 PM EDT

Vacation mode is really not the way we want to be going with CB. It would be another reason to go away from the game and that would drive another nail in the coffin. Rather than finding ways to keep people away, you want to find ways to keep them there in the game.

Giving a break is an incentive to return invigorated and ready to play. Make it a grind all the time and that is incentive to leave after time. Most people look towards the weekend and vacation...........

QBRanger April 26 2012 1:26 PM EDT

Rolling bonus... no need for vacation mode.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 26 2012 2:34 PM EDT

Also, some restriction would have to be put on vacation mode so that all BA/bonus cannot be burned during whacky exp. I mean, there is a reason the hard cap is 1600 now and it had to do with multiple ways storing up BA could be abused.

QBOddBird April 26 2012 2:52 PM EDT

Rolling bonus... no need for vacation mode.

QBOddBird April 26 2012 2:54 PM EDT

For those who have taken a break, what were the consequences?

I'm on break now, sitting on 1600 BA, 26m, and all the gear I need for a strategy I've forgotten. I assume the consequence will be that I have to run a trial NCB first to make some money and figure out what I want my new character to do. :P

BestNUB April 26 2012 3:13 PM EDT

Can someone explain what is rolling bonus? I have heard it quite frequently but have no idea what it is :(

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 26 2012 3:18 PM EDT

Well I would think agreeing on what the restrictions should be. One person cannot think of everything but many working together can fix the problems with the idea. Possible exploit; Solution(s)

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 26 2012 4:06 PM EDT

I agree people can get burned out and people look forward to vacations and the weekend but this game does not demand anywhere near the amount of time a job does. It is not a job. It is something people do in their free time. If you do not have the free time or do not want to play during it that is your option, no need to reward you.

A rolling bonus is the proper solution and it always has been even though it was never implemented because it promotes laziness. As does character loaning and vacation time. Actually of the 3, a rolling bonus promotes the least laziness as you would have to be just as active as the top spot just to get somewhat close to that spot. And this would be done over the course of a lengthy period of time (it should take more than time than the NCB currently does). With vacation or character loans you can leave for lengthy periods of time and lose no progress even though someone else was more active than you.

I suppose I could get around the idea of character loans or vacation time if rewards were to be reduced. You still progress but not as much as if you were fighting regularly. Also, restrictions on length and times used. Examples: 1 week vacation every 6 months. 1 month character loan once a year. Something like that.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 26 2012 7:42 PM EDT

With vacation or character loans you can leave for lengthy periods of time and lose no progress even though someone else was more active than you.

Not true, that is the general perception because I left it open to interpretation. Of course this was to get attention and possibly better ideas for implementation.

Vacation Mode:

1 Week a year. Prerequisites must be met in order to "Unlock" it.
Only on 1 Char.
Account MUST be active for X amount of days in the year.
During those active days X amount of BA MUST be burned.
Big/Wacky Exp Times would NOT be counted/warded.(Just a repeat of a regular day exp.)
Exp awarded would only be 80%(Accounting for the above.)

Character Loan Feature:

To take the place of Vacation Mode.
1.) Make it so N*Bs characters cannot be loaned.
2.) Loaning a character has a specific amount of time where it -can't- be sent back (IE: 1 day/3 days/1 week whatever.) This completely shuts out all potential abuse. Ie Mega Leveling
3.) Limit the amount of BA that can be burned on the Char on the day of return.
4.) No returns to players with more than 160 BA Saved.

These were my personal thoughts on the two ideas. Feel free to pick them apart as you see fit. Just remember that if. Rolling Bonus doesn't get implemented we need something to make up for the lack of it..........

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 29 2012 10:27 AM EDT

You know this thread did get side tracked and is wholly unfinished in its purpose. I would say this should have been a poll from the start. Revs do you think this thread could be converted into a poll?

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] April 29 2012 10:29 AM EDT

/facepalms Revs = Devs (phone operator error)
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