Not saying it's impossible......... (in General)

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 12 2012 8:55 AM EDT

After being back for about a month now and with the Insight Ritual(Thanks Nat!) I have finally met a personal goal.

7k Clan Points! It has been my very own unicorn that I have been At any rate if I can do it so can you so give it a try people! Bring on the competition!

Also would be awesome if someone could Screen Shot this since I am at work right now :-\ (I'll pay you!)

TheShazbot June 12 2012 9:18 AM EDT

TheShazbot June 12 2012 9:20 AM EDT

Also, I know I myself have hit 5k+ before, but never something this excellent.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 12 2012 9:23 AM EDT

Does this mean your next target is 8k Zen?

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 12 2012 10:00 AM EDT

Thanks Shaz!

Zenai (Horror) TheShazbot (Portland Timbers FC) $500000 -- For SS! 9:43 AM EDT

I hope this helps with BA/CPs!

Nayab: Unsure it that is attainable.

At 6/20 my 24 Hour regeneration is 432.
Add my bought for the day. That is 432+144 = 576
Do this for 2 Days - 1 Regen time. That is 1146 * 8 = 9168

However with the way things are the drop off for CPs is quite high. I suppose it is possible but it was extremely difficult to get to 7k. I would honestly say my next goal would be 7500 CPs.

TheShazbot June 12 2012 10:15 AM EDT

Thanks for that, wasn't expecting that much. It's going towards a large purchase I hope shortly!

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 12 2012 10:38 AM EDT

No problem. Hey got another opportunity for a screen shot in the users and clans statistics. Clan MVPs page.....If you or anyone could capture that one I would be very grateful!

TheShazbot June 12 2012 10:44 AM EDT

Link was sent via chatmail.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 12 2012 1:27 PM EDT

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 12 2012 3:43 PM EDT

Ok so the above post was a

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 12 2012 3:52 PM EDT


Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 12 2012 6:24 PM EDT

Ok so for reference this was my personal best for today. Lets see if I or anyone else can match or beat this in next week. :-)

--JDM-- June 12 2012 7:44 PM EDT

Do we all get to borrow Horror for the attempt? :p

Excellent achievement! :)

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] June 13 2012 8:28 AM EDT

Zen took my old throne for clan MVP.. I should start getting competitive again >_>

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 13 2012 8:50 AM EDT

You're at a lower BA regeneration rate so you should be able to catch up again.......BRING IT ON! (In-Clan/Alliance Competition is welcome especially if there is no other competitors willing step up. *Jab Jab right cross*)

At any rate so here's a competition bone for all of you to gnaw on! MPR means jack squat it's targets, targeting and Rituals. I am at 6/20 so honestly I shouldn't be at the top of the clan rankings. For CP generation all of you at higher regeneration rates should be able to smoke me. (Retention of CPs is another story so don't get those two confused.) So if your N*B is over (or at the right spot) you should be much higher than me CPwise........

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 16 2012 2:29 PM EDT

I know this is an NCB 1800 BA Driven CP Score but none-the-less this really is impressive to see!

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 16 2012 2:45 PM EDT

Ummmm correction 1600 BA. 1578 Wins, 20 Loses and 2 Draws. Times 6 for Clan Opponent or Insight driven CPs then he is not far from a perfect CP score for an NCB start. Perfect: 1600 * 6 = 9600. So only 168 CPs off.... I have to say it again that really is Impressive!

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 16 2012 4:08 PM EDT

Er...wouldn't a "perfect" CP score for a starting NCB be (1600+240+160)*8 for a bonus EXP time and (1600+240+720+240)*8 for a day.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] June 16 2012 4:33 PM EDT

So basically now I have to do a perfect 1600 ba start and shoot for like 11-12k by the end of the day? I can do that.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2012 4:39 PM EDT

Could you get more CP total for sharing round a new toon among all clan members, all who have saved up 1600 BA?


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 16 2012 4:43 PM EDT

Doh, it's per player...

And for a clans total, no need for sharing, just all start new 1600 BA toons.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 16 2012 4:46 PM EDT

Do defensive wins give CP? If so then the "perfect" score would be quite higher ;)

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 16 2012 4:48 PM EDT

"So basically now I have to do a perfect 1600 ba start and shoot for like 11-12k by the end of the day? I can do that."

No you would need 22,400 CP for a perfect day assuming defensive wins can't give CP, never got attack.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 16 2012 5:21 PM EDT

No I am looking at the fact that most beginning targets are NOT in a Clan so they would only Net 4 Clan Points, add in the Insight Ritual then you get another 2 CPs.

With this as the Basis the numbers I gave are actual so 9600 CPs is a perfect run with 1600 BA to start off with. Dinh's run with what was had was indeed impressive.

Now if you guys add in all of the other that you have proposed then yes I agree those would also be perfect. Each instance has it's own level of perfection, not necessarily realistic though. I would like to see if someone could in fact do 1844 * 8 CPs. with zero losses, it would be interesting to see this level of awesomeness!

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 16 2012 5:29 PM EDT

Well I guess my meager math skills are wrong again. It would be 1600 + 240 + 5 Hours of BA Regeneration at 10/20 which would be 150 soooo it would actually be 1990 * 8 = 15920 Purely from attacks.

Just to make sure that I am not misunderstood in this I couldn't expect someone to actually be able to burn 1840 BA in less than an hour without losses. So this at least gives some time for inspection of opponents to guarantee a win.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] June 16 2012 6:09 PM EDT

^50 man fight list all clan opponents I'll never lose to ;) Challenge accepted.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 16 2012 10:23 PM EDT

"No I am looking at the fact that most beginning targets are NOT in a Clan so they would only Net 4 Clan Points, add in the Insight Ritual then you get another 2 CPs."

Actually people not in a clan give 2 CPs so it would only net you 4 Clan Points. There is actually a lot of targets in the beginning who are in a clan, just bonus earning one. These net 4 Clan Points.

It is pretty easy to burn however much BA you want in under an hour. It just requires another persons help to continually attack a dummy.

If they are in a startup clan and you have the +2 Clan Point buff, then it would be pretty easy to get 16,800 CP (2800BA * 6).

Now if they were in a bonus earning clan then you could get 22,400 CP in a day. However, it would be highly recommended that the clan losing cast Solitude of the Seas ;). Otherwise the clan would be potentially losing 11,200 CP ("only" 5600 with SoS).

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 16 2012 10:39 PM EDT

I guess I did word that wrong, yes the 2(non clan), 4(non bonus clan), 6 (Bonus clan) Rule does apply and with Insight Activated it gives an additional 2 CPs per fight.

Still during Big Exp time seeing 16,000 CPs from one person would be perfect, now by the time Midnight comes and you get your bought all over again(possibly another 240?) and of course your Regular regen(still 10/20?) then yeah I could see 19-20K. Still thought that would be the extreme end of the spectrum.

I honestly would have to give margin for error and say 9-11K Max during Big Exp and 15-17K for before Cache Flush.(with or without a few Dummy targets this would be really difficult to pull off!) But that is just me set moderately high standards then pick em

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 17 2012 4:01 AM EDT

Lemme attack a gimped someone in your clan Zenai during bonus exp time for my next new character, and I will show you 20k CP ;).

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 17 2012 4:17 AM EDT

Maybe someone in the Alliance but we are in the Same Clan it wouldn't really help us........

Still I would like to see it happen though :-)

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 17 2012 6:49 AM EDT

It wouldn't "help" us but you would still be able to see 20k CP ;D Although with a new character it wouldn't have to start out in this clan...x]

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 17 2012 8:27 AM EDT

True enough you could do it in any clan including one you personally made. There would be a few factors involved to make this happen in exactly the way you propose. But yeah you could do whatever you wanted if you could plan it out.

However I am not using all of this theory or conjecture as a reason to say that what Dinh did was not impressive. Dinh did not have partners, gimped chars nor all of the extra stuff in line that you propose. Dinh had 1600 BA total, fought regular opponents and still had a 99% win rate. That is freaking impressive and for what was had that is a darned near perfect NCB BA Burnout.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 30 2012 6:58 PM EDT

I just wanted to thank the entire clan for all of the hard work you have put in today! Awesome Teamwork!!!

Also wow NCBers! That is crazy CPs, Winning Percentages and Fighting Streaks you posted up!

Bounty Hunter June 30 2012 7:38 PM EDT

Thanks Z but definately Xeno owned this day.

Duke June 30 2012 8:07 PM EDT

if you want to beat a record that i think its still holding in BR we did reach 25.5K net CP without ritual.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 30 2012 8:57 PM EDT

Pretty sure that was beaten just then.

Given: ~43k CP

Ritual gives +2 CP

No clan 2=>4
Non-Bonus clan 4=>6
Bonus clan 6=>8

Percent increase is 50%, 33%, 25%

Assuming an average increase of 33%, which is pretty accurate, we have 25.8 CP after adjustment. Then you have to add the 2-3k CP spent activating it putting us around ~28k CP.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 30 2012 9:03 PM EDT

Sorry the percents were sightly off. Should be 100%, 50%, 33%. So actually it is too close to tell whether or not it was beaten.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 30 2012 9:10 PM EDT

BH: Yes Xeno really did set a very high bar! :-)

Duke: Well Divide 42,967 by 4 and you get 10,741.75 then times it by 3 and you get 32,225.25 which is the number of points Sans the Ritual since it adds 2 CP per fight. At least it sounds right since we mostly fought Clanners and most of them had a Clan bonus so we yielded 8 CPs per fight.

It's still impressive to see though. Battle Royale, Hell Blenders, The Knighthood, Wasting Time and Cult of the Valaraukar have all been premier clans! It is a hope that the CS Brotherhood can last as long and do as well as all of them.

Duke June 30 2012 9:31 PM EDT

yeah but we did without BA stacking before NS did this its was not something that ppl know.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 30 2012 10:11 PM EDT

You did it without BA stacking? Not quite sure when this took place unless you are referring to the times in 2008 when we had way higher BA regens.

If that is the case then I don't think you can really compare ;)

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] June 30 2012 10:54 PM EDT

Ummm correct me if I am wrong but I thought that NS was the reason for not being able to save more than 1600 BA for an NCB. So if BR did it BEFORE this limit was made then CS definitely broke that record. Other than that for the sake of not knowing exact numbers, since I'm not a math wiz or anything, I will say it's a tie :-)

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 30 2012 11:39 PM EDT

NS is the reason we can't save BA anymore.

I never realized the character transfer loophole or it likely would have happened much sooner.


Duke July 1 2012 12:32 AM EDT

I mean that nobody had try to stack BA before since NCB is something from CB2 . NS as been the first to did a massive abuse of the BA stacking that result into a reset of is char. BA regen change nothing since CP as been double if anything its much easier to reach peak value now since there is much more time avaible before you reach 160.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] July 1 2012 12:33 AM EDT

Wow that would have been crazy to have like 10 people save up 30K BA then hit a NCB up on Big Exp time!

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] July 1 2012 12:42 AM EDT

I get where you are coming from Duke but that was CB1. I was there the BA regeneration for everyone was 10/20 so it would have not have been too hard to get to that many CPs IF there was enough people in a Clan AND they worked together to achieve that goal. Not to take anything away from it since that is impressive to me by CB 1 Standards. However this is CB2 and really I do not think it fair to compare the two since they both have different rules that govern them. It's like comparing apples and oranges so to speak.

Duke July 1 2012 12:55 AM EDT

BR did not exist in CB 1

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] July 1 2012 1:15 AM EDT

Ok I read it wrong but it kind of alluded to this with these comments.

I mean that nobody had try to stack BA before since NCB is something from CB2 .
BA regen change nothing since CP as been double if anything its much easier to reach peak value now since there is much more time available before you reach 160.

Now since you seem to be saying this is all about CB2 I have to disagree. Lower BA Regen Rates can Automatically generate more CPs as they both generate more BA but also have more Bought BA available to them. The higher up the MPR Ranks you go the lower regen rate/ Bought BA Available to you and the lower amount of CPs you can generate.

If I am going off track on this please let me know.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] July 1 2012 2:17 AM EDT

Xenogard 14,670 Nephalem (493,526)

Come at me bro

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] July 1 2012 5:58 AM EDT

Alright, now that I have slept I am came to a really simple solution for all this xD.

First, I am going to state that I don't think comparing this regen scores to the old regen scores makes much sense. However, they could be perfectly equal in terms of clan points earned; I just don't remember the values of CP earned and BA regen rates.

Anyways, lets assume that they are equal for the sake of this argument. Upon waking up I see that our clan score is 48.8k. Once again the clan points go from: 2-4, 4-6, 6-8.

Turn these into a fraction and then multiply your CP by the fraction to see the adjusted CP. A simple check: 6/8*8=6. Kinda obvious since the 8's cancel leaving 6 (the "real" CP earned).

Using this, lets see the 48.8k CP earned for each earning system after adjustment: 24.4k, 32.5k, 36.6k.

After adding the cost of the ritual, which is a total of 2-3k, then even the lowest adjusted CP score beats the one you stated. However, since most of the characters fought for the NCBs were clan with no bonus, our adjusted score would be closer to the 32k mark.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] July 1 2012 7:52 AM EDT

CP Debating aside, this is the final count and a new precedent in the game. Again awesome job everyone. My hats off to the NCBers with Xeno as the all time MVP!(I believe it is a record!).

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] July 3 2012 1:32 AM EDT

Wasnt there a Moose guy that had 20k+ CP's is one day? I believe it was before NS got his character reset for abusing the Bought BA thingy (which I think is where he got the idea from)

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] July 3 2012 1:35 AM EDT <--- thats the thread read up folks ^^

Bounty Hunter July 3 2012 6:08 PM EDT

Another personal record made today 7172 clan points in 24 hours. A new personal best topping our alliance leader's (Zenai) personal best of 7156. Yeah I know I refresh at 10 but he has a lot of advantages where he is at also. So the new bar is set.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] July 3 2012 6:33 PM EDT

Screen Shot for ya and nice CPs bro! I will say the gauntlet hath been thrown and now it's on!

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