NS are you gonna Talk with Bobo..... (in Off-topic)

Or am I gonna have to start another CB Guild on Shakes & Fidget? Trust me this is not a threat but a bonnafide promise.

Honestly this silence crap is for the birds it's no different with that game as it is with this one. We are supposed to be using it as an advertisement yet you are not seeing it at all. Instead you threw out accusations when things didn't go how you thought they should be. Then without a shred of proof condemned a person no matter what the outcome was supposed to be. That is neither right nor fair and you know it.

So what is it gonna be? You gonna but your big boy pants on and act like an adult or am I gonna have to assume this role and do it for you on Shakes & Fidget?

and this had to go in/on this forum why?

I know I'm not involved here, but I don't see why NS would talk with Bobo. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't accuse him directly, so it's not like Bobo has any clue of anything happening. We're not in merger talks with them, so nothing's changed.

And remember, the game isn't an ad for CB. Jabberwocky is the CB guild, so we have CB links, but it's just another game for us to play together. It's important to note, since we've received a few (luckily overturned) bans from people getting punished for advertising.

Ipoop: For the same reason anything is in Off Topic. If you don't like it don't read it. I think it a fairly simple concept.

Demi: Yes it is indeed a freaking advertisement so let's stop splitting hairs on the subject. Playing it for fun, just for fun and nothing but fun would mean absolutely nothing CB related would be on it in any way, shape, form or fashion. This is definitely not the case now is it?

Now NS Did Indeed Blame Bobo in exact words:


Given the "negotiations" that were transpiring, the only logical conclusion is that your "friendly" guild, Dark Army, hacked my account to shepherd in a merger. I would emplore all of you to dump them like a bad habit and show them what CB players really are made of.

We don't do these kinds of things. That's not our style. I am livid right now.


Nope i was wrong....it was all of the Members that were prepped. Nice touch I bet it was an opposing Guild.

In the meantime, will somebody please send me and sebidach invites to get back in?

Ugh.... whoever did it dumped all of my mushrooms and killed my whole inventory.

This was obviously Dark Army.


Well before we jump to any conclusions I think it best to know for sure. I would urge you to remember that the Leader for Dark Army is a Forum Mod and runs guilds in several servers.....he would lose a EVERYTHING for doing something like this. I don't know about you but I seriously doubt anyone would want to lose everything in all the servers for a couple members on just one.

Good. Then he will.

Whoever it was played my account very thoroughly... I'm now on a level 8 tower instead of 3.


Just a thought and I would urge you to set your frustration to the side for a moment before you answer this. How would you feel if you were helping someone else's Guild out on the word of a member just to be blamed when a coincidence happens?

Honestly what if this truly is a coincidence and not a malicious act on his part?

Again better to know than blindly accuse. If it is true I will be the first to drop if not where do you think that puts me and the others that are there already just waiting for things to settle down with Jabberwocky?

Z, it's plainly obvious. If it wasn't one of them directly, then it was someone associated with them. They wanted us to merge, I've repeatedly said no each and every time... and now suddenly, everyone that they wanted was kicked from our guild and they just "happen" to have open waiting arms for everyone that wants a home.



Never knew they wanted to Merge before, never heard anything about it. As a matter of a fact I was the one that brought it up to begin with not Bobo. As far as everyone they wanted I have never been privy to it so I wouldn't know. All I do know is that I was approached by another Guild due to my activity levels, this is not the first time it has happened to me. I am sure it is the same for the other active members as well. Guilds look to recruit active members this is true no matter where you go.

You can see how this was not plainly obvious to me and therefore probably the same for other Jabberwocky members that got booted.

I know Bobo. He's a jerk. He reminds me of that old admin we used to have here, mrwuss.

If he was on this site, I'd ban him.

Oh and yes Bobo does know I gave him the external blink to the thread the excerpts above came from. I felt it only fair that he know what he was being blamed for and why.

off topic is for posting promises/threats in ... since when?

it stinks of you not getting your own way so dragging it on to a public forum (im not saying your not in the right btw) ... why the heck would he reply here.

Youve basically written a angsty pm to him then posted it in offtopic

Ipoop: Off-topic - Off-topic is for congratulations of all sorts (including birthday/anniversary announcements) as well as anything not related to CB.

I believe this subject fits the bill don't you? Aside from this it's to make a point and to set the bar so to speak. If he can act like this and not be called on it then why not the rest of us? Is an admin gonna come around and close the thread because it is not conducive to cohesion in the game because the Dev got called out on crappy behaviour? Is fairness and equality of players only enforced when the masses speak up? Is a/the Dev only held accountable for his actions when the masses force it?

Answers to these questions I would like to have without being told to shut up by either other players or by Admins whether it be directly or indirectly. Freedom of Speech anyone?

Time to pay the piper so to speak......so what's it gonna be NS?

is'nt it the west bourgh lot that shout in appropriate stuff/name calling etc then claim freedom of speech

either way i will leave you to your rant

Oh please Ipoop give it a rest. This started in forums I'm just keeping it here for documentation purposes. Honestly I do tire of you attempting to shut me up in almost every thread I have had or been in lately. If you don't like my threads big freaking deal as I said before DON'T READ THEM. It's that simple.

Tick Tock

It seems like there's at least one who takes your advice.
They don't like your posts so they don't read them or comment on them.

Exactly since the only Forum Police in the game are Admins really it is unnecessary for their added crap ;-)

DRAMA LAMA

its a dumb game, dont get so serious

RD: Unless you are going to ad something worthwhile to the thread how about you simply not post. Your comment was completely unneeded/unwarranted both in part and whole.

AoD: This coming from the player who actually expects people to seriously refer to him as the actual Grim Reaper at all times. Really dude it's a dumb moniker on a game how about just being yourself when in chat....you know the true mundane you?

As you can see just as you have personal opinions and reasons for them so do I. In short if you don't like them that is fine don't read them. It's really quite a simple concept.

I don't see what NS has to add to this. we all know what you will do when/if he does. you will pick apart each line and reply to each to assume validation. I've proven this when trolling your thread near Xmas.

tl;dr ...

Not necessarily true but thanks for the comment you admitted Troll.

"If you don't like my threads big freaking deal as I said before DON'T READ THEM. It's that simple."

He is at liberty to read them and post that he doesn't like him, just as you are at liberty to post silly threads like this one which I don't agree with in the least.

Personally, I feel like you are just trolling the CB forums. This issue really should be settled through PMs considering it is a personal problem you have with one person.

However, since you have brought this to a public place, people including me and Ipoop shall give you our public opinion ;].

P.S. I think the conclusions NS have arrived too are completely natural. Whether they are correct or not is a completely different question. However, if he hasn't publicly accused the said person (in their realm of public) then I don't think he has done anything wrong.

Seconding EoD here from an admin PoV.

If this was ment to be a personal discussion between yourself and NS, then this wasn't the right place. PMs or e-mail would have been.

I don't play S&F, so have no vested interest in this, nor any bias to add to the situation.

Yes, Off Topic is for non CB related posts, such as this. But it's an open forum. As long as any post doesn't break our ToS, anyone is able to comment.

Asking for the 'free speech' to make any thread (again within the ToS) in one post, then claiming others shouldn't have the same 'free speech' to post in another, is a tad hypocritical.

Everyone, stick to the forum rules, and this thread will be fine.

If it devolves into trolling/accusations and name calling, I'll lock it right away.

Pax!

EoD/GL: Ahh but having people tell me directly or indirectly, including the both of you, that I shouldn't be saying anything to begin with is not hypocritical? Or is it fine only as long as others agree? My point is I have given another option being that people are clamoring how they don't like what I am saying. Including my ideas, thoughts and topics being "silly" as if they have no basis and don't belong. You mean like the myriad of crap that gets thrown up in forums all the time?

Please give it a rest NS accused someone and refuses to respond to the fact that he is wrong even if it was a rash naturally concluded decision (there were other conclusions to be had you know). He is human and can make mistakes which is perfectly fine but refusing to admit he didn't follow his own rules when dealing with a situation because he doesn't want to seem wrong truthfully it is unacceptable. And to make it clear the man he has accused does indeed know and has been patient in attempting to have a sit down with NS.

Oh and another thing to all those saying PM/CM/E-Mail/ Morse Code/ Smoke Signals etc I attempted he has not responded since the first day on this other than to say I am busy. I don't buy it when he has made multiple posts answering questions in depth. Also again since he had started this in PUBLIC FORUMS to begin with then honestly why the hell not keep it here?

In Closing folks I am not going to shut up because you want me to I do not fall to peer pressure now never did never will. Saturday Big Exp Time is my cutoff time for getting an explanation out of NS until then I am keeping the topic open whether any of you like it or not. Again you don't have to read and you have have to post. Mind all of you sticklers for word play I didn't nor have I ever said you couldn't just that you don't have to.

I wasn't saying you can't post this in the forums. I was saying that PMs would be better suited for this subject, since it is a problem between two people, him and you.

Now if you want to continue pursuing this in a public realm, then be fully prepared to accept the criticism of your peers with regards to your personal problem.

That is all I was stating, along with my personal opinion, since you were basically begging for it by repeatedly bringing this issue up.

EoD: This was a continuance from the last thread as it was trolled closed. Aside from this simply because it is public doesn't mean I cannot answer back when my subject/topic is criticized.

Again Saturday Big Exp Time Folks.

Don't put word into my mouth Zen. Where have I told you you can't post?

The reality is you can discuss this here, in a public open forum, but the better place for this discussion would be PM and/or E-mail.

Unless you wanted public opinion on the topic.

As for the topic, I have no idea what happened, what has alleged to happen, nor what anyone from CB has or hasn't done in another game.

I also really don't care, either. Don't like to weigh in on these sorts of things when i wasn't involved.

But I do care about the state of the CB forums, and the last line of my post was aimed at everyone.

This thread has skirted being passive-agressive and confrontational to begin with. If it devolves I *will* lock it.

And no, there is no free speech here. Forum posting is a priviledge. One that can be removed if deemed necessary.

Let's not forget that.

(And no, that isn't a threat, nor aimed at anyone. Just a reminder amid 'Free Speech' comments)

To sum up: No one is saying you don't have the right to sound like an idiot. Some are saying you could exercise that right in a less public way.

I will, however, take the glittering out of that generality and point out that your Freedom To Sound Off As Any Idiot Would is only a protection of your personal liberty from Government Interference. All private parties, particularly Jon and NS in this case, can quash it for the good of themselves, their business, the rest of us, peaceable humanity, etc.

minQBGentlemanLoser[{END}]3:51 PM EST

> Don't put word into my mouth Zen. Where have I told you you can't post?

I never put words in your mouth GL go back and re-read I said "shouldn't" and you did indeed give me an alternate route of how you felt I should go about it.


Case in point.......again.


I really do not care what ppl think what I do have a problem with is ppl attempting to shut me up no matter how it is tried. I have just as much right to express whatever as they do as long as I am withing the ToS.


If you actually read the threads involved you would be very well informed. Not saying you should or have to just that you could.


Never said you had to which in all honesty was and has been my point to everyone else. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to. It is a conscious choice to open the thread and read it just as well to post in it. You do not have to no one is forcing anyone to do anything here.


I got that still it doesn't mean I cannot comment on it.


Understood. Also understand this I will just open another thread if that happens. I will not be silenced just because a few ppl are having fun at trolling in an attempt to close the thread in the first place.


Only true to a point. I do indeed have freedom of speech it just happens to be inside the guidelines of the site...ToS. And no this is not an argument just a good understanding of the site ToS after having read them in full :-)

QBBast[Hidden Agenda]6:36 PM EST

> To sum up: No one is saying you don't have the right to sound like an idiot.

I was waiting for you to chime in. Only when there are numbers involved do you seem to have the courage to post in this way. Did you know that when you are not educated on something it means you are ignorant yet when you do know yet do it anyway is when you are branded an idiot? With that being said if you read this thread then you would have known..........


I got that and I responded in kind. Yes they have a right to post but that doesn't mean they have to. Touché much?


Welcome to the party Bast have a hat and some cake.


Never said they didn't have that right or to exercise it but even they have to follow their own ToS. Again Bast Touché

In response to the original post and topic. Whats the point in starting another guild? Thats just silly. Jabberwocky is our guild, and has been for the begining. Put all of this nonsense behind us now. Either come back to our guild or don't. It's simple. If you wanna stay at Dark Army, that's fine. But don't start trying to leech all of Jabberwocky's members, thats just as bad as any other guild poaching our players...

In response to the original post and topic. Whats the point in starting another guild? Thats just silly. Jabberwocky is our guild, and has been for the begining. Put all of this nonsense behind us now. Either come back to our guild or don't. It's simple. If you wanna stay at Dark Army, that's fine. But don't start trying to leech all of Jabberwocky's members, thats just as bad as any other guild poaching our players.

Bro I like an respect you but I am completely losing that for NS in this sense and is the main drive behind me doing this in the first place. All he has to do in order to stop this from happening is answer the question really it's not that difficult. Now as far as staying at DA or making another guild that is my prerogative and I will do so at my discretion not yours or anyone else's. Jabberwocky was the first guild in S&F true but nothing should stop another one from coming into being. As far as stopping ppl from coming into the Guild if indeed it is created well I will not ask them to jump ship but if they want to I will not stop them. You have my word on that bro.

zenai, im not the grim reaper, if i was my name would be GrimReaper
and dont forget its only a game, dumb or not

AoD: Fine yank Grim Reaper out of my comment and put in Angel Of Death.(You do realize they are one and the same right?) The comment still stands as I first said it. Also I do believe we have established that the "dumb game" as you so aptly stated is not the true issue but rather a principle of which I am not budging on.

Cake and a hat!! Woot! Where do I join :D

Then the place for this discussion was PM/Email.

No leeway.


Same as they do Zen, so don't ask them not to post.

I do not have to agree or care what anyone in the public thinks in order to make any statements so your attempted point is clearly moot.


GL I am perfectly within ToS it has provided my leeway Thankyou sir.


I can ask whatever I choose as long as it is not a demand. To make it clear yet again: Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to. It is a conscious choice to open the thread and read it just as well to post in it. You do not have to no one is forcing anyone to do anything here.

Cake and a hat? What? I thought I read everything, but there it is. Up there above me... In the thread. So... I'm responding to something in THIS thread... WHAT'S THIS ABOUT CAKE? (I'll bring my own hat if it really get's down to it.) Unless there's a cake hat... OMG A CAKE HAT. Is there? IS THERE??????

http://www.displaycostume.com/store/images/P/306213.jpg

j'bob: Thanks for the levity this thread needed a bit of that.

Demi: Nice find :-)

/me just fell over. Please send medical help. And PLEASE have them wearing that hat.

DEMI ROCKS!