armor change part 1 (in Changelog)

AdminJonathan May 10 2005 1:07 PM EDT

removed TSA; owners were compensated with CB's best guess at market value (estimated from auctions)

armor granting DX (EB, EG, EC) get 1% dx per enchantment point. AC is still
granted. EG's magic bonus removed.

armor granting ST (BoM, HG, TG) get 1% st per enchantment point. AC is still
granted. BoM changed to Power Shield; HG base to 4 (was 5) and gets 1.5 UC points per enchantment.

ToA no longer grants displacement; instead, grants 50% chance of extra hit
per round (melee + ranged). This is subject to negation by evasion.

Update unequipped BoMs that were equipped on a minion with a tattoo.
Update 2 ToA to-hit bonus now correctly takes appropriate penalty when using ranged weapon during melee rounds.

Reebok May 10 2005 1:08 PM EDT


HellBlender May 10 2005 1:08 PM EDT


Barron [CB2BANK Investors Club] May 10 2005 1:09 PM EDT

Very cool changes Jon. Thanks!

mchaos May 10 2005 1:11 PM EDT

wow, and this was only part 1....

DizzyGuy May 10 2005 1:12 PM EDT

awesome =)

AngryZac May 10 2005 1:13 PM EDT

I see I'm not the only one wondering how much more part II could bring. Anyways, seems to be a very pro tank month. All of these seem to fall in line with tank.

Special J May 10 2005 1:16 PM EDT

Nice, nice

Those who want to make tanks should buy up the items needed now, rather than when the market is charging crap loads.

InebriatedArsonist May 10 2005 1:16 PM EDT

I certainly hope this cuts down on the complaint threads created by tank owners.

AdminQBVerifex May 10 2005 1:20 PM EDT

Maybe the bonus isn't showing on the page, but I equipped my +11 BoM on my minion with about 42k str, and I only got about 400 or so extra strength. Is this a bug, or does it simply not show the extra 4000 or so strength I should have?

Yohan May 10 2005 1:21 PM EDT

May I clarify the 1% per enchantment point?

I have TG +9 and 26,000 str.
str is now 26,344/26,044 which is 1%

How does the enchantment point +9 factor in?

Victim May 10 2005 1:21 PM EDT



10K to first person to identify source of that quote.

Yohan May 10 2005 1:24 PM EDT

TMNT - Michaelangelo

Arorrr May 10 2005 1:25 PM EDT

EG magic bonus removed...

8*( there goes my money down the drain... hehhehehe. I guess now EG has the same equal value as TG.

AdminJonathan May 10 2005 1:25 PM EDT

fixed verifex/yohan bug

Yohan May 10 2005 1:27 PM EDT

yummy :) Thanks for the quick response Jon!

Victim May 10 2005 1:31 PM EDT

10K sent to Keia.

Nixon Jibfest May 10 2005 1:32 PM EDT

"Part 1" .... Dohhh!!!

Arorrr May 10 2005 1:34 PM EDT


Dex grant item: EG, EG, EC
Str grant item: PS, HG,TG
Magic grant item: Corn, CoI

Since you took magic from EG, are you going to introduce a magic grant gloves? Seem to be a logical choice. May be supporter item?

LumpBot May 10 2005 1:37 PM EDT

Ouch, this hurts me a ton and doesn't help me any.

budice May 10 2005 1:38 PM EDT

corn and hoi both grant magic wonder if that will change.

QBBarzooMonkey May 10 2005 1:45 PM EDT

The TSA nerf completely negates a month's worth of strat testing for me... Is change good?

...maybe not always...

Nixon Jibfest May 10 2005 1:48 PM EDT

TSA removal is a good thing. We still got the Adam and MC for tanks. we'll see if those get changed in Part 2.

AdminJonathan May 10 2005 1:53 PM EDT

Wow, Barzoo: you're just now figuring out that my real design goal isn't specifically to benefit you? Better late than never, I guess.

Duke May 10 2005 1:53 PM EDT

7 7 7 7 7 JACK POT

CooperTX May 10 2005 1:54 PM EDT

The change from 5 to 4 on my HG's isn't showing up, I have tried training and unequipping and re-equipping them. Just a note.

QBBarzooMonkey May 10 2005 1:57 PM EDT

That was tongue-in-cheek, Jonathan, you know - sarcasm...

IndependenZ May 10 2005 2:00 PM EDT

Same here Cooper ... cache flush will do the trick I guess.

Anyway, nice changes! I like them! One thing though, every USD-spender will now be buying
CB2$ to upgrade their items even more, to get more STR/DEX out of them.

{CB3}-HR22 May 10 2005 2:13 PM EDT

YES! i wanted to sell my TSA anyway, and i was planning on selling for less than i got. Thanks Jon!

Majestik Moose May 10 2005 2:20 PM EDT

hmm.. even more DX to protect vs. axbows.. but on the other hand, I can counter with more myself.. status que in that front, but I like the changes (have thought about that they would be good myself).

also.. corn/coi/hoi granting magic-bonus in relation to level, would be nice.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] May 10 2005 2:27 PM EDT

cant wait for part 2 :D

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] May 10 2005 2:33 PM EDT

Eww, not on the Corn, if it was on Corn, price to upgrade would need to be changed

Duke May 10 2005 2:44 PM EDT

I think Corn and CoI will give bonus base on + now

Duke May 10 2005 2:45 PM EDT

Also beleg should give about 2 point archery per + now

Warchild May 10 2005 2:46 PM EDT

One question about the ToA change

Is the 50% chance to hit added with the dx/weapons hits (ie treated exactly as a +50 to the weapons) or is it a 50% chance after dx and weapon hits are finished?

Myonax May 10 2005 2:50 PM EDT

Yay, Maybe magic items will get the same buff next.

Duke May 10 2005 2:56 PM EDT

Jon say can be negate by evasion so i presume it a +50 on weapon

Bolfen May 10 2005 3:06 PM EDT

bah, this screws me (TA + BG) ;)

How about boosting BG's?

Will [Retired] May 10 2005 3:06 PM EDT

Watch out for Belegs getting deleted next!

...and the value of MCs sky rocketing (light tanks).

This change should bring some high value armors down in value and visa versa. Making a more balanced market on the whole...

Synco May 10 2005 3:09 PM EDT

grrr...EG nerf. and i was going to get some to up my magic...

Guess it's a good thing i didn't buy them yet. =D

Devil Burrito May 10 2005 3:14 PM EDT

So did EG users get a refund?

NSFY May 10 2005 3:17 PM EDT

Hey at least you got market price.

/mumbles something about $6M IAs and shakes a fist

spydah May 10 2005 3:23 PM EDT

/me takes a look at his ToA tank.

more dex and st, wait.

oh wait, I can hit a bit more oft, I can die even FASTER to CBFs now, YES!!!!


Majestik Moose May 10 2005 3:26 PM EDT

well.. CoBFs does only return once per round

Chocolate Thunder May 10 2005 3:35 PM EDT

The CoBFs just got nerfed!

Most powerful blow: The Apocalypse Book (249695)
That's a 100K increase from an hour ago.. I'm not sure what changed ToA tanks damage that much? Certainly nothing listed above?

Fuhgawz May 10 2005 3:37 PM EDT

heh 1 had 4 sets of IAs when they got deleted and they were named too ><

CooperTX May 10 2005 3:40 PM EDT

HG's are now reflecting recent change, problem fixed.

AdminQBVerifex May 10 2005 3:41 PM EDT

GRR, I was forging my Helm's Gloves, and suddenly the RPM reduced to 20% from 70% :(

TrueDevil [AAA] May 10 2005 3:49 PM EDT

wow, I hope something good will happen to mages in part 2, so that I can actually spend the money I earn, instead of selling it for USD. ;)

[-war-] May 10 2005 3:52 PM EDT

Does this mean Buckler of Mandos won't be able to be quipped with a tattoo, because there are people that still have them equipped with a tattoo....

Chargerz-Back May 10 2005 3:53 PM EDT

/me gives Jon a big hug!

thank you so much!

QBRanger May 10 2005 3:53 PM EDT


CBF right now only return once per round per character that attack no matter how many times that character hit the cbf wearer.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] May 10 2005 3:54 PM EDT

War -

Update: unequipped BoMs that were equipped on a minion with a tattoo

BoM is now a power shield, cannot have a power shield and tattoo on one minion.

QBRanger May 10 2005 3:56 PM EDT

Interesting since there are now at least 2 characters with BOM's and TOA on the same minion.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] May 10 2005 4:00 PM EDT

yea i see it on Black Dog and deifeln, at least, too.

AdminJonathan May 10 2005 4:05 PM EDT

oops, forgot to commit

definitely no more BoM + tattoos now :)

Majestik Moose May 10 2005 4:15 PM EDT

ranger.. that's about what I said :)

QBRanger May 10 2005 4:16 PM EDT


I read it as a question not a statement, my apologies.

QBRanger May 10 2005 4:18 PM EDT


Will the item metastats be updated to reflect these changes?


AdminJonathan May 10 2005 4:21 PM EDT


{CB1}Lukeyman May 10 2005 4:22 PM EDT

"Devil Burrito, 3:14 PM EDT
So did EG users get a refund?"

I would like to know, because my EG was loaned out to me because of a deal and I would like to know if the guy got any money i should have got

CooperTX May 10 2005 4:23 PM EDT


AngryZac May 10 2005 4:25 PM EDT

Lukey, no they didn't, because they weren't deleted. It's very uncommen that people get ANY kind of refund for an item being "tweaked" and in this case I think EG's didn't really even get nerfed, just tweaked...and for those who were using them for their Dex they got a boost from this change.

QBRanger May 10 2005 4:27 PM EDT

While the EG's 2% magic increase loss is bad, the 1% dex per + possibly makes up for it in value.

I said possibly since there are TG and BG which tanks use also. But the EG value should not plummet to the ground.

Nixon Jibfest May 10 2005 4:31 PM EDT

Bye Bye HoIs!!!!

AdminShade May 10 2005 4:33 PM EDT

some questions:

- Does BoM still give more ST when having 1 handed melee weapon equiped as opposed to 2 handed melee weapon?

- "AC is still" Does that mean no further AC enchantments or does it mean that AC still gets counted?

- 50% chance to extra hit just means +50 to ranged and melee weapon? doe this apply also for UC?

- BoM still for sale from store / black market?

Nixon Jibfest May 10 2005 4:51 PM EDT

shade, why wouldn't BoMs be in stores or BM? they're still not supporter items.

AdminJonathan May 10 2005 4:54 PM EDT

1) see meta-stats
2) "still" means "as before"
3) where does it imply it might not?
4) duh

AdminShade May 10 2005 5:07 PM EDT

ok, ok, ok , ok thanks :) just checking the obvious ;)

QBJohnnywas May 10 2005 5:43 PM EDT

Tried to equip a BoM before I read the changelog and didn't get any warning about unequipping a tattoo - have these been removed or was the unequipping penalty switched off for the change only?

Nice change to the ToA - I'm getting triplestrikes now! Thank you!!!!! =)

Cylo May 11 2005 4:48 AM EDT

I'm also wondeirng something. With the HG and any other str giving item. Does the bonus to str only work with direct trained str or does gs get the bonus.

Example . I have a 4 uc strat with no trained dx or str. it all comes with gs and haste. If I were to equip HG's and the new HoE would i get the bonus to str on what my str is with gs or would it just be off the base 20 since I haven't put any exp into it. Thanks Jon for an answer to this because it will help me decide if I have to change my thinking on my strategy right away.

Nightmare [NewNightmares] May 11 2005 5:33 AM EDT

Cylo, Bonuses from armour have always gone off natural STR/DEX, not what GS/Haste/ToA give.

Cylo May 11 2005 6:15 AM EDT

Ok thanks. I must have just never known that. Or I was too tired and not thinking straight.

AdminJonathan May 11 2005 9:34 AM EDT

BoM tattoo warning should be fixed now.

QBJohnnywas May 11 2005 9:38 AM EDT

Thanks Jon.

[SoV] Shiv [/me Forge Stuff :D] May 11 2005 3:19 PM EDT

with the ToA on my UC minion will he ever get the chance to triplestrike? or will it always be 2 hits per round?
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