Sidebar improvements (in Changelog)

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:35 PM EDT

No new widgets this time. See if you can spot the differences.

(This is another improvement by Verifex, who put a lot of time into it. I think it improves the experience immensely. Thanks!)

Arorrr October 25 2005 4:36 PM EDT

NO, I still cannot spot it...

{CB3}-HR22 October 25 2005 4:37 PM EDT

not really

48Zach October 25 2005 4:37 PM EDT

I cant fiugre it out :)

Arorrr October 25 2005 4:38 PM EDT

1 CB to the first one who spot it and post.... 8^P

Verifex can't win though, since he's the one who did it.

{CB3}-HR22 October 25 2005 4:38 PM EDT

i dont see anything even after a few refreshes...
give a hint?

Synco October 25 2005 4:38 PM EDT

Looks the same to me.

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:39 PM EDT

well, first of all, if you don't refresh you won't see any differences... :P

BootyGod October 25 2005 4:39 PM EDT

words look easier to read but maybe that just me... like I can read wiki now lol

Relic October 25 2005 4:40 PM EDT

Try changing a few list dropdown items. :P

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 25 2005 4:42 PM EDT

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:44 PM EDT

Fighting with enter button was broken by this change.

We'll have it fixed shortly.

... but no, that's not the only difference. :)

Ilovehellokitty October 25 2005 4:45 PM EDT

i clicked Search by user and it logged me off Carnage Blender.

Arorrr October 25 2005 4:45 PM EDT

Could it be that the fighting list will highlight the highest score/MPR that is not comatose? *crossing the finger*

I just ran out of BA so I cannot tell.

AdminShade October 25 2005 4:45 PM EDT

drop down menu looks more ugly now?

48Zach October 25 2005 4:45 PM EDT

ur right kitty , it does do that , also , i have no problems fighting with enter

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:46 PM EDT

search by user still works fine.

perhaps you should check that "remember me" thingy when you login...

Arorrr October 25 2005 4:47 PM EDT

My IE is working fine with Enter to fight and Search by user "kitty". May be it's a problem on other web browser?

{CB3}-HR22 October 25 2005 4:48 PM EDT

it still logs me off CB when clicking the search by user button.

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:48 PM EDT

well, it works for a while after you first load or refresh the sidebar. but it can break on both IE and firefox.

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:50 PM EDT

(where "it" means "fighting with enter")

Unwanted Memories October 25 2005 4:50 PM EDT

My enter does not work, I can search by user though.

Maelstrom October 25 2005 4:53 PM EDT

Ah, the width of the drop down lists are now determined by the longest character name in the list, instead of the current character name. Now we don't have the sidebar resizing each time we fight - nice! :)

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 4:53 PM EDT

enter bug should be fixed now. just refresh the sidebar again.

AdminShade October 25 2005 4:54 PM EDT

Manage Characters (Create, retire, ...)

is this it?

48Zach October 25 2005 4:55 PM EDT

i cant use any fighting buttons , such as search by user , high lower , ect. it makes me log out

{CB3}-HR22 October 25 2005 4:56 PM EDT

lol shade

AdminShade October 25 2005 4:56 PM EDT

Maelstrom, that was the case with my list for about a year already now... ?

Maelstrom October 25 2005 4:58 PM EDT

it wasn't for me, Shade...

{CB3}-HR22 October 25 2005 4:59 PM EDT

it seems some of the top half of my sidebar does not work correctly.
I cannot change characters, go to standard fight list, or search by user

Ilovehellokitty October 25 2005 5:03 PM EDT

1.The "Lower" button is NOT going lower, I don't know about Higher button 'cause there is not really anyone else.
2. changed score ->mpr in supportership option. Refresh the sidebar. Nothing changed.
3. BarzooMonkey is flooding/spamming my Supreme Chatroom (browser crash?):P

IndependenZ October 25 2005 5:04 PM EDT

Cool! The sidebar doesn't refresh when switching characters or switching from favorites to the standard fight list! ... Loading ... =D

I like it, and I like it a lot!

AdminG Beee October 25 2005 5:05 PM EDT

When hovering over Stats >> Items the "overview", "normal" and "tattoos" words vanish behind the main game screen.

Using Firefox version 1.0.7
Same with IE latest version

Ilovehellokitty October 25 2005 5:06 PM EDT

move back second frame 3 tabs. :P

QBBarzooMonkey October 25 2005 5:08 PM EDT

Browser crash, and how! - I went to change characters and it gave me unending "frames within frames" until I could finally turn chat off...

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 5:10 PM EDT

Mikel had to disable Greasemonkey to get his buttons to work. If you're using FF, try that if you're having problems.

bartjan October 25 2005 5:18 PM EDT

Dunno what else has changed, but if 'not refreshing sidebar while changing characters' means an even lower chance of finding out about news items and polls, then I don't like it...

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 5:23 PM EDT

that will be addressed in version 1.1.

seriously. :)

Inferno October 25 2005 5:24 PM EDT

I don't have greasemonkey installed or anything, I do have FireFox though.. :S and my sidebar doesn't work too well unless that's the change lol

Maelstrom October 25 2005 5:25 PM EDT

I'm still getting the error below when I try to go to the Standard list, or try to change characters:

Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.

AOLserver/4.0.9b on

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 5:37 PM EDT

refresh the sidebar. We just fixed that for people who don't check the "remember this address" login box.

Dolphin October 25 2005 5:39 PM EDT

this works for me:

1.- Log out
2.- check "Remember this address and password"
3.- Log in

the refresh link was not enough to see the changes.

Good work Verifex, congrats!!

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 5:40 PM EDT

It was fixed literally about 60s before I posted. So if you were refreshing earlier, yeah, it was still broken then.

Ilovehellokitty October 25 2005 5:41 PM EDT

No answer from : unable to view mpr in opponent's list? (anyone else beside me have the same problem?)

BrandonLP October 25 2005 5:42 PM EDT

Perhaps you can let us in on the change and we could help troubleshoot.

Maelstrom October 25 2005 5:46 PM EDT

Oh yeah, now it's working - is that ever slick! Way to go Verifex!

When you switch characters, or switch between Standard/Favorites, or view Higher/Lower, only the fight list re-loads. The rest of the sidebar stays the same. And while loading, it says "... Loading ..." in the fight list :)

48Zach October 25 2005 6:00 PM EDT

awsome :)

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 25 2005 6:01 PM EDT

Thanks everybody for helping bug check this. I tried to work out most of the kinks before releasing it. But within minutes of release it seems we got the most bug-check feedback, and I think we've addressed most of the concerns.

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 6:03 PM EDT

I am unable to reproduce any problems with "show power in opponents list."

Ilovehellokitty October 25 2005 6:12 PM EDT

Very nice job Verifex :P please excuse my noobness ! Now let's talk about my kitty's theme (for verifex)

Special J October 25 2005 6:16 PM EDT

Kitty can still login, I thought that was part of the change verifex? :(

AdminG Beee October 25 2005 6:21 PM EDT

After changing characters back and forth I must refresh the sidebar before I can use the enter bar when fighting again.

Happens everytime.

AdminG Beee October 25 2005 6:22 PM EDT

enter key*

AdminJonathan October 25 2005 6:51 PM EDT

should be fixed, GB

AdminG Beee October 25 2005 6:59 PM EDT

Fixed - thanks.

{CB3}-HR22 October 25 2005 7:18 PM EDT

Not sure why this happened but when i switched to my character 'HR22' then switched back to 'Razor', 'Razor' and HR22 had the same score, it was fixed after a refresh though. Not sure if it is re-occuring.
Also when i switch to my charcter 'HR22' (he has a standard fight list) then i switch back to 'Razor' (has a favorite list) It changes Razor's list to Standard inside of keeping it on Favorites. (but it seems to have the same opponets on my favorite list, but still says 'Standard')
Not sure if it is something wrong or not, just letting ya know.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] October 25 2005 7:22 PM EDT

When it says standard it is on favorites, when it says favorites, it is on standard, that "standard" is for you to click to goto standard.

[YG]Wildthing October 25 2005 9:53 PM EDT

I notice that when you click higher/lower that is stays on the button you click instead of going back to the fightlist. Before you could just keep fighting without having to click on the list, I think.

QBRanger October 25 2005 11:22 PM EDT

great change, however now I am unable to fight from my Treo. the program will not now acknowledge a double press/click on the fight link.

QBRanger October 25 2005 11:32 PM EDT

the only way to fight now from a treo is to view a character and fight via the fight link in their overview.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 25 2005 11:44 PM EDT

On your TReo, can you click "higher" or "lower" or any of the other functions besides fight? The fight button has very few restrictions on whether or not it works.

QBRanger October 25 2005 11:49 PM EDT

The fight, inspect and standard buttons do not work. I am on favorites list now and cannot get to standard opponents. I refreshed, deleted my cache and cookies all without helping me. I can only fight via the inspect character page.

QBsutekh137 October 25 2005 11:50 PM EDT

Finally, a way to slow down Ranger!


QBRanger October 26 2005 1:46 AM EDT

nah, I just had to shorten my fightlist.

AdminG Beee October 26 2005 5:25 AM EDT

Verifex, we discussed this previously but I can't quite remember if you explained that the problem was solely with FF or if it's a CB thing.

I can't use the mouse scroll wheel to navigate through the Opponents list and would like to have this option if it's "fixable" as a result of your sidebar work.
I know you don't use the wheel yourself but I find that it's really handy using it when I either have a beer in my other hand or only a few BA to use ;)

QBRanger October 26 2005 8:00 AM EDT

ok, I am beginning to have a major problem with fighting from my treo. can we go back to the old sidebar so it is good for everyone until the bugs are all worked out? as I have no power for likely 2 weeks, this is becoming quite frustrating.

Ilovehellokitty October 26 2005 8:06 AM EDT

*(^.^)* 2 weeks !

QBRanger October 26 2005 8:12 AM EDT

they say at least 2 weeks, some places up to 4. So please can we go back to the previous version of the sidebat??

Orkamat October 26 2005 9:29 AM EDT

I can't change characters. Even when I switch browsers to IE, where - until recently - everything except "fight" worked fine. (IE 5.2, Mac OS 9.2)

AdminJonathan October 26 2005 11:44 AM EDT

IE 5.2 is definitely not supported. Neither is Safari.

Firefox should work fine.

QBRanger October 26 2005 11:47 AM EDT

For those of us on a mobile, we do not have a choice in the browser that is used (I think, please correct me if I can wrong).

Do you have any solution to the problem I am experiencing on my Treo?

Any work around you can think of?

It is important to me, since I fight about 1/3 my battles from work on the Treo.

AdminJonathan October 26 2005 12:11 PM EDT

I do not have a solution for people who use treos to fight (all 1? 2?), but in general terms you fall into the same category as mac IE 5.2 users: not a big enough category to be worth buying hardware and spending hours on compatibility work. Sorry.

QBBarzooMonkey October 26 2005 12:44 PM EDT

Orkamat, CB2 on Netscape 7 on a Mac OS 9.x works fine for me - that could be an option for you?

Arorrr October 26 2005 1:00 PM EDT

If this is very small cosmetic change and it makes some "unsupported" browser not working properly, why can't you change it back to previous version? At least it works for those unfortunate forks that fall into that unsupported browser catagory.

What is a big deal with "changing characters and Opponents auto refresh" feature? We the users can click on the "Refresh" ourselves with less a hassle.

BrandonLP October 26 2005 1:01 PM EDT

The only difference I can even see is the "...Loading..." message. Everything else (seems) to work like it did before.

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 26 2005 1:03 PM EDT

There's an old saying, it goes something along the lines of: "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"

AdminJonathan October 26 2005 1:49 PM EDT

This is 2005. It's time for CB to start using modern web techniques. Some barely-used browsers will no longer work. I'm willing to pay that price for progress.

Special J October 26 2005 1:54 PM EDT

I know operah has a mobile version, and there are several browsers that are made for mobile use.

I would assume is is broken because the browser does not support XML/HTTP requests.

Orkamat October 26 2005 2:23 PM EDT

Jonathan: There is no firefox for Mac OS 9.2

Barzoo: *Amazing*! A browser that (almost) works! :) Works far better than the other four I've tried, at least. Life sucks on minority hardware.

QBRanger October 26 2005 3:13 PM EDT

But if there is a bug that is making a few browsers that used to work, not work, how about trying to fix those bugs before making the changes permanent.

Or making an option to use the upgrade or not.

Arorrr October 26 2005 3:18 PM EDT


May be if you had bribed Kitty and it became a Kitty problem, it would have been fixed by now. We don't want to alienate NUB players now, do we.

But then again, it's Ranger. So, it's YOURS problem.

(it's a joke, don't take it seriously). 8^)

{CB3}-HR22 October 26 2005 3:19 PM EDT

What was the point of this change and how is it a "modern web technique".

If it does not work on some players PC's/Portables then why change it. Just making the players more frustrated?

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 26 2005 3:52 PM EDT

I ripped this browser test from some site somewhere, and modified it to add xmlhttp requests to the test. Try it out:

It will tell you for sure if you can use these new changes on CB.

AdminJonathan October 26 2005 4:14 PM EDT

Ranger: fundamentally the bug is with your browsers, not with the new code. So "fixing the bug" means "hours of trying to find a workaround" that must be repeated for each browser that doesn't play by the rules.

I'm not willing to cripple future CB development by targetting the least common denominator. This has always been CB's philosophy; we've never supported opera or omniweb or safari, etc.

Vicious Cat October 26 2005 4:26 PM EDT

I'd disagree if I'd bought a supportership

AdminJonathan October 26 2005 4:28 PM EDT

I guess it's a good thing you're too cheap, then!

Relic October 26 2005 4:30 PM EDT

Now that is funny stuff. :P

Vicious Cat October 26 2005 4:30 PM EDT

'lucky' I'd call it :-P

Ilovehellokitty October 26 2005 5:38 PM EDT

/me dances around the number "2 weeks" *(^.^)*

I love you Chappy so so much!

Ilovehellokitty October 26 2005 6:10 PM EDT

by statement of dancing. I didn't mean any harmful thoughts. It was just a bad joke i rant.

Special J October 26 2005 10:56 PM EDT

Ranger's fight list loads properly, so his browser is working with the httpxml request.

I can not think of a reason as to why the list would load, but clicking Fight, Inspect and Standard do not function.

QBRanger October 26 2005 11:15 PM EDT


Jon and mrwuss, with some encouragement from Wonderpuff found the problem


Orkamat October 27 2005 8:48 AM EDT

Jonathan: If you don't wish to waste time supporting browsers that don't follow the rules, IE should be the first browser removed from your test base. MS has never believed in following any rules except their own, and even those they tend to bend or break when writing software for Mac OS. You'd almost think they had some reason for "encouraging" the entire world to run only their own OS and software.

[Nkki]WildEagle [SNB Forging Services] October 27 2005 9:31 AM EDT

:)) nice i like it.. also finally the lil arrows change color with changing the theme.. no ugly red/blue combo anymore now.. blue as well with the blue theme.. nice lil change :P

Grant October 27 2005 10:04 AM EDT

Actually, Orkamat, Jon has consistently responded to IE support requests with, "Get a real browser."

Discussing Microsoft's limitations to Jon is preaching to the choir, but ranting to him about the vast Redmond conspiracy is bellowing off key to that choir.

Finally, to anticipate the typical response, I am the family Mac zealot. If you don't see the relevance of that statement: Congratulations, you weren't going to make the typical response.

Orkamat October 27 2005 10:51 AM EDT

Okay. I get a little testy when I'm told that my system is too marginal to be worth supporting, and I tend to suspect MS brainwash when I hear it.

If Explorer joins Opera, Safari and others in the "not a real browser" category, it seems to me that the "real browser" category must have a very small membership. Perhaps the select few browsers that one should use or go home should be listed prominently on the pre-registration page. This would have saved me, for one, a great deal of frustration and more than a few software crashes.

AdminJonathan October 27 2005 11:24 AM EDT

the "real browser" and the "worth supporting" groups are not identical.

this clue brought to you by the Foundation for Not Calling Idiots "Idiots"

Orkamat October 27 2005 12:57 PM EDT

I was rather hoping that in addition to (not) calling me an idiot, you might give some indication of where I could find out WHAT browsers are supported and whether I could perhaps even hope that the last browser to partially work on my system might continue to partially work for a while longer.

I'll take that as an "eff off" and reply "same to you".

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 27 2005 1:32 PM EDT

Using Camino on OS X and having fightlist issues. was working a few hours ago....

This is a mozilla derived browser browser here folks...shouldn't I be alright?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 27 2005 1:38 PM EDT

repeated refresh seemed to issues on FF for Mac OS X

Sukotto [lookingglas] October 27 2005 1:42 PM EDT

I would find it really interesting to learn the breakdown of browsers hitting the site.
Perhaps it's close to the site I work on:
IE: 66.03%
Uncategorized: 12.37%
Firefox: 10.78%
Unknown: 5.41%
Netscape: 3.57%
Robots: 1.77%
AOL: 1.17%
Safari: 0.59%
Opera: 0.21%
Wireless: 0.10%

Maelstrom October 27 2005 1:45 PM EDT

Orkamat, it should be obvious from how regularly it is mentioned: Firefox is the "official" CB browser.

Sukotto [lookingglas] October 27 2005 2:08 PM EDT

Um... that wasn't a backhanded comment. I'm seriously interested in the stats.
I expect that firefox has a much higher share of the pie here and would like to know just how big a percentage it is.


NSFY October 27 2005 2:16 PM EDT

Heh - Watch what you say - I'm sure if Jonathan tries he could make FF use 100% on CB2.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] October 27 2005 2:16 PM EDT

This poll brought to you by the curious.

AdminShade October 27 2005 2:50 PM EDT

then get a full admin to make the poll! :)

Special J October 27 2005 7:00 PM EDT

I see another change, here here!

BrandonLP October 27 2005 7:02 PM EDT

BA purchasing from a convenient location. Very nice!

AdminJonathan October 27 2005 7:10 PM EDT

verifex is on a roll!

48Zach October 27 2005 7:11 PM EDT

i dont see the second change

Synco October 27 2005 7:12 PM EDT

Maybe refreshing the side bar would help.

Lu Bu[willsue] October 27 2005 7:20 PM EDT

nice idea by putting "Get More BA" on the side...much better than going to manage characters

Kelelle Son of Jor-El October 27 2005 9:44 PM EDT

not sure if this is one of the improvements or not, but.. buy more BA is now a new thing in my tools instead of having to go to manage char. It seem a lot easier. If it one of the new improves ... i like

{CB3}-HR22 October 29 2005 8:16 AM EDT

The new change doesnt work on my other PC. I use AOL on it and the fight list just says ...LOADING... I did several refresh/restarts and not sure what to do know. I can't use anything other than AOL as well, so i belive im screwed.

AdminJonathan October 29 2005 12:20 PM EDT

you've been able to use non-AOL browsers with AOL for years now.

{CB3}-HR22 October 29 2005 12:22 PM EDT

I know this, but i am not aloud to download anything on this PC, and my IE does not work for some reason.

DAWG October 29 2005 1:03 PM EDT

Small problem with opponents list and fighting... if you specify a character then go off of the character to fight somebody else it won't let you fight anybody but that specified character until you refresh the side bar.. no matter who I selected it only wanted to fight the specify character that I had added but was not select on.....

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] October 29 2005 3:35 PM EDT

I'd like to confirm DAWG's bug report. Specify is definitely broken.

Barron [CB2BANK Investors Club] October 29 2005 4:30 PM EDT

I've been using IE for a long time on my laptop. The game is broken now and unplayable all of a sudden.
So, who cares anyway?

Synco October 29 2005 4:59 PM EDT

I just tried IE. I don't see how it's unplayable.

And "You may also purchase BA: up to 556 more today at the Manage Characters page" message needs to be removed.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] October 29 2005 5:02 PM EDT

i just had a problem with every link asking if i was sure i wanted to navigate away from the page, (Refresh everything and chat), on each thing i would click on: Active threads, Home, etc.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 29 2005 8:09 PM EDT

The problem with specify chars will be fixed soon, the link on the out of BA page will be changed also. These are all little problems and will be fixed. The sky is NOT falling. ;P
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