Axbow DXdrain test (in General)
stabilo
January 26 2006 3:25 PM EST
Hi,
the wiki says:
Drains DX: 1/3% of the target's DX plus some unknown constant (about 225) for every 'x' on the crossbow. (i.e. A [4x1] Assassin's Crossbow drains 0.33% DX plus ?? DX per damage dealing hit.)
Shade asked me to proof my solution, so i post my small calculations and tests i made, so we can discuss together if this might be right or not.
The following table is based on real (tested) values and those out of the wiki (except the constant of course). It exacly represents what's happening during the DX drain calculation as i believe it might work.
Minion values on one of the tests:
before fight:
HP: 0/201,434
ST: 123,161
DX: 90,490
after fight:
HP: 12,799
ST: 123,161
DX: 65,285
shots:
Thomy der Zerhexler shot Banana Republic [9979]
Banana Republic looks clumsier!
Thomy der Zerhexler hit Banana Republic [9902]
Banana Republic looks clumsier!
using [4x25]+16

Start (1): 
% drain (2) 
[x25] (3) 
rest A (4) 
const (5) 
[x25] (6) 
After hit (7) 




25 







1/3 % 
* x 
= 
+ const 
* x 
= 

hit 1 
90490 
301.63 
7540.83 
82949.17 
224.38 
5609.6 
77339.57 










hit 2 
77339.57 
257.8 
6444.96 
70894.6 
224.38 
5609.6 
65285 











dx 
const 
[x ] 
1. hit 
after 1. hit 
2. hit 
after 2. hit 
# hits 
test 1: 
90490 
225 
25 
13150.43 
77339.57 
12054.57 
65285 
2 
test 2: 
123517 
225 
24 
14813 
108704 


1 









All numbers are in DX 








Those calculations were made by finding a value for the constant so that the remaining DX comes to exactly the result of the fight. Both tests resulted closely to 225.
hope this might be interesting for some of you ;)
QBsutekh137
January 26 2006 3:29 PM EST
Thanks, man! Great research!!!!
th00p
January 26 2006 3:32 PM EST
So, now that you've done this conclusive research, why haven't you gone and changed the wiki to have the constant as 224.38? =P
Good info, I have wondered about this before. Thanks!
AdminShade
January 26 2006 3:41 PM EST
Hmmm, I before also came to 225 or 224.38 (very close to it) but couldn't quite grasp that that was 'it'...
dang i had the answer all along :\
QBRanger
January 26 2006 3:46 PM EST
I can give some results with higher x axbows.
Vs Imp, when he had 1.6 million dex:
A x44 axbow drained about 170k per hit.
A x50 axbow drained about 230k per hit.
Do these numbers fit into your formula?
AdminShade
January 26 2006 3:55 PM EST
was your axbow named?
Vs Imp, when he had 1.6 million dex:
A x44 axbow drained about 170k per hit. (named makes it x46)
A x50 axbow drained about 230k per hit. (named makes it x52)
x46 drains 15,3% DX (which is 244800 DX ) + 10322 per hit.
which comes to a total of 250k+ drained, no doesn't make sense...
stabilo
January 26 2006 4:01 PM EST
No, they don't.
Vs Imp, when he had 1.6mil dx
A x44 axbow drained about 170k per hit. 1.6mil dx * 1/3% * 44 = 234k
A x50 axbow drained about 230k per hit. 1.6mil dx * 1/3% * 50 = 267k
.. well, that would be even more without a constant .. are you shure about this?
QBRanger
January 26 2006 4:07 PM EST
When he had 1.6 million Dex, he and I CM'd about how much dex he lost.
It was 170k for 1 hit and 340k for 2 hits.
I could be a little off and he may have had a 1.41.5 million dex. That was with my named x44 axbow.
QBsutekh137
January 26 2006 5:08 PM EST
I think any estimates at that high of a level are pretty much going to make a threedigit constant indistinguishable. *smile* You are comparing 6 or 7 significant figures to three...even standard rounding issues will probably throw things off.
AdminShade
January 26 2006 5:15 PM EST
well rounding some things off wouldn't cause a 40% difference...
Peter at home
January 26 2006 7:20 PM EST
When I was doing tests with x30 axbows quite a long time ago, I figured out that the constant was 495.
What I can conclude from the number provided by Ranger....
It is possible there is a bug in the code in the way how the draining is calculated.
QBRanger
January 26 2006 7:26 PM EST
I checked old changelogs and came across this:
"Increased drain by axbow/exbow; also added a nonpercentage factor to make them more useful at low levels."
I guess that the higher the x on the axbow the less percentage it drains which may account for the results I am getting as the axbows I am using are very high end ones.
jayuu
January 26 2006 7:42 PM EST
Fresh info for you. Imp vs TAB.
Ranger's AxBow is x50, named.
Imp's starting DX is 1,718,699.
Imp's DX after 1 hit is 1,459,569  dropped 259,130
after 2 hits  1,238,013  dropped 480,686
stabilo
January 27 2006 9:30 AM EST
> Fresh info for you. Imp vs TAB.
> Ranger's AxBow is x50, named.
> Imp's starting DX is 1,718,699.
> Imp's DX after 1 hit is 1,459,569  dropped 259,130
> after 2 hits  1,238,013  dropped 480,686
These values are reached using no constant and 0,0024739 as constant. the value of 1/3% is 0,0033333, though at x52 this percentage seems to be dropped by about 25% (0,003  0,0024 = 0,000859 = 25% * 0,003)
So maybe you are right, these values say that x50 has only about 75% of 1/3% percentage dx drain. Here i also assume that no constant drain is applied at all, though the real %drop in relation to weapons [x ] might be even higher.
stabilo
January 28 2006 9:02 AM EST
Hi,
if you want to help me, please post some more stats on DXdrains (inkluding DX before fight, remaining DX after hits, EC DX reduction, [x] of axbow and number of hits with axbow). Maybe even damage could have influence, also there is nothing like this mentioned anywhere ..
So i might enhance my formula to find better magic constants ;)
AdminShade
January 28 2006 11:23 AM EST
it's only based on the X'es of the axbow/exbow but indeed the ratio of the drain seems to go down as the X'es go up...
have some more measuring points saved here:
QBRanger
January 28 2006 11:37 AM EST
Of course one has to remember any hits more than one skewes the results.
IE if the axbow drains 10% of the dex and you hit someone with 100k dex 2 times, you will not make their final dex 80k.
It will actually be 90k after the first hit THEN 81k after the 2nd hit. Which means each hit over 1 drains less dex. In my example the first drained 10k, the second only 9k and a third would only drain 8.1k etc.....
AdminShade
January 28 2006 1:46 PM EST
ranger: you would need to adjust it then, and as for the test results i have posted, they were very much reproducable.
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