Reminder: Idle Rooms Not Allowed (in Public Record)
August 28 2006 7:02 PM EDT
Upon entering chat this afternoon, I get the following start-up screen:
Chat Blender 3.1.7 starting...
BANE: 1 users
Bubble Wrap: 1 users
hiding: 1 users
KoRn: 1 users
Demon Squad: 1 users
moto*s minions: 1 users
Soup Ream: 1 users
Angel of Death's room: 1 users
Kittens Lair: 6 users
new players: 14 users
carnage: 16 users
I went to all 8 rooms that had 1 user and had to kick them due to them not responding for being idle. Idle rooms are not allowed, and you should stay in carnage if you feel to do so.
ChatOPs are reminded to check for idle rooms regularly.
August 28 2006 7:12 PM EDT
duude, i was burning BA.. that's not afk
August 28 2006 7:13 PM EDT
You didn't respond, so the assumption was you were idle. Thus, you were kicked. Next time, respond when someone asks you, "Are you here? :)".
August 28 2006 7:14 PM EDT
hehe i'll try to notice. but keep up the good work SNK. CB needs good admins always active like that! Props to SNK
August 28 2006 8:22 PM EDT
SNK3R is now channeling MrsDi
August 28 2006 8:24 PM EDT
I only follow Jon's instructions...
Did his head spin around and everything?
August 28 2006 8:31 PM EDT
i don't like this rule. i stay in my room because i don't like carnage. idle rooms do not damage the game and unless i'm mistaken the chat system should have nothing to do with server load. whats the fuss?
August 28 2006 8:38 PM EDT
Read up on several posts about AFK rooms:
(most recent), Four
August 28 2006 8:42 PM EDT
still doesn't explain why its needed
August 28 2006 8:43 PM EDT
You can't be telling me it took you 4 minutes to read every single post on those threads...
August 28 2006 8:51 PM EDT
SNK, can you sum it up for us then? why the rule is necessary?
August 28 2006 8:56 PM EDT
im a speed reader bro :)
August 28 2006 9:03 PM EDT
Max sums it up well:
I see a problem with being afk in a user created room. I have been kicked myself after nodding off or just forgetting to log out. Personally, I don't see a big deal with being kicked for being afk in a room that is not New Players or Carnage. If we didn't we would have a zillion rooms.
Having open connections to the server for no reason is partly why it is enforced.
And if you still don't like any of those answers, the best one is that Jon makes the rules up so follow them, or take it up with him. :)
August 28 2006 9:09 PM EDT
just for my info, is there any penalty for doing it constantly and getting kicked constantly?
August 30 2006 1:54 AM EDT
so if we're AFK, what do we do? be in 'carnage' and ignore everyone?
can't we have an AFK room?
and i know i probably missed something, so flame away :)
August 30 2006 2:41 AM EDT
SBW: If there wasn't, one would just do it anyway.
Flamey: If you're going to go idle, either (a) logout, or (b) join carnage. It's that easy to understand. If you want a permanent AFK room, go ask Jon and see what he says.
August 30 2006 2:43 AM EDT
Afk rooms flood/spam the chat entry window and therefore aren't approved of.
August 30 2006 3:44 AM EDT
Just be glad that SNK3R is nice to only /kick you, as the original policy dictates a /kill
This is silly to me ... I log onto CB from work and obviously I'm not sitting in front of my computer screen all the time .. If I'm not allowed to be afk then I'll be resorting to disabling chat or joining room carnage and ignoring everyone. I don't like to ignore people so that is why I join alternate rooms. I'd prefer to not disable chat as well, but if that is my only other option ... *shrug*
I tend to wonder why anyone uses the built in chat at all...full screen baby!
August 30 2006 11:06 AM EDT
chappy: if you don't use chat while at work, then disable it for your own convenience...
then open chat in a separate window when you do want to chat, only a few seconds work...
August 30 2006 9:13 PM EDT
SNK3R just came in on me and i replied, don't know how late, but it's only because looked toward the bottom of the play by play and seen it. Maybe the Chat OP's can check the persons battle log before they kick them also? (if they don't already. :P) the reason i went to my own room was so I could Burn ba quicker without any chatting. :)
August 30 2006 9:19 PM EDT
Gosh Dang (PG version of what I'm really thinking).
So you get kicked, big deal. Just refresh when your back, no problem.
August 30 2006 9:26 PM EDT
Yeah i know Ranger, but some people are lazy (not saying i wouldn't just type it again. big deal.) I was just wondering if they do / would.
August 30 2006 10:38 PM EDT
I don't check battle logs, but then again some people are lazy ;)
Oh, for pity's sake!
It can be done with a minimum of harassment to those who, for no imaginable reason, aren't engaging with the chat hoi polloi.
First, you can check on the keyboard presence of anyone without actually barging in on them. This is accomplished by a /who and a PM. Go through every room at once, wait five minutes. If you've no concept of what five minutes is, feel free to use this time to check the battlelogs of nonresponders.
Go visit those who have not responded. It takes up more lines and is, therefore, more visible. Make a general inquiry of some kind. More lines! Move on to the next room.
As another five minutes or so has now elapsed, make a final tour of the rooms. Make noise, rifle through personal effects, add a little personal graffito to each room if you must. Should you still get no response, you may assume that a reasonable time has elapsed for anyone not responding to be truly away. Long enough for a trip to the loo, a refilling of one's coffee, the nabbing of a sandwich, an Australian's shower, answering the door or telephone, shooing away one's employer, etc.
Empty the room and move on. If you care to do so as someone just completing one of the many onerous chores for which you are responsible, and not as someone who thoroughly enjoys being a complete hemorrhoid, do it with a minimum of self-important commentary.
August 31 2006 9:49 AM EDT
Why don't you just close down chat when you go, Bast? I'm not going to wait ten minutes for anyone to come back to their keyboard.
August 31 2006 10:07 AM EDT
Because she's Bast-alicious.
August 31 2006 10:08 AM EDT
I would have to say that the rules apply to all players with the exception of Jon.
Whether it is a regular player, an ops, or even an admin, idle chat rooms are not allowed.
So if your in a chat room, and idle, suck up the kick and move on.
Those who are checking the chat rooms have far better things to do than sit and wait for anyone to get back from going to the loo, making coffee, etc.
Those better things include actually playing the game and participating in chat.
Okay, to clarify, as far back as Myth's great crusade: back when I was the only one doing the checking with any regularity, of course I made accommodation for the fact that some people answer the phone.
I made a tour once or twice a night, those who weren't responsive within the 15-minutes-or-so that it takes were deemed truly AFK and booted accordingly. This was a concession to general civility and the fact that this is a game, not Qwest On-Demand Tech Support -- those guys are always right at their monitors!. It also kept the complaints to a minimum (other than Myth, naturally) since no one could legitimately say it was a matter of OP capriciousness that he or she had looked away to clean Cheeto Orange from a mouse and been unceremoniously booted.
If it's too onerous a task for you personally to manage with a degree of politesse, leave it to someone who can. As I get several drop-ins during the short periods of time that I'm managing my CMs, it's clear that there are enough OPs heeding the reminder.
lol the song Cry me a River just fits so many situations in the game lately.
But I agree with Ranger on this one. You get kicked big whoop, just go back.
The only thing I say to temper this is once against that Ranger has right idea. Many ops (including some of my friends) go idle in these rooms from time to time. As long as equal time is given to allt here is no reason why people shouldn't be kicked out. Like bartjan asid... at least he isn't killing everyone.
August 31 2006 11:35 AM EDT
Bast, give up the logic and "middle-ground" thinking. It's clearly lost on most everyone here.
But I appreciate your efforts and couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for your rationality and diligence. I might have to wrangle on into an idle room just to have you drop in! *smile*
I agree with Bast. I accept its a rule but couldn't we have some policy understood by all as to how the rule is to be enforced ? Right now it seems open season for any OP to PM someone, get no response then kick them, sometimes going on to brag about it in carnage.
I agree a kick really means nothing however SNK3R told carnage yesterday that any OP finding AoD AFK could kill him and refer him for a fine. It just seems ridiculous when any OP can interpret AFKness for themselves when some of them seem incapable of leaving personal enmity etc out of the equation.
August 31 2006 12:19 PM EDT
I've never seen an OP go clear out an AFK room and then go on to brag about it in Carnage, myself.
As if there is anything to brag about. It isn't "Open Season" or hunting season or any other kind of game to us (well, me at least, but I'm positive the others as well) to go remove AFK rooms.
August 31 2006 12:22 PM EDT
Hierarchy of cb2
When a sub admin says to check rooms for inactivity, I do what s/he says. If you cannot do that, then perhaps you should not be an ops.
There is no "middle ground", this is a Jonocracy. Jon tells the sub/admins what to do and how to do it. They then tell us.
Do I agree 10-15 min is a reasonable time to wait to see if someone is active? Certainly. But according to those above me in the system we should check and if nobody is there, kick.
If I am too quick to kick people from idle rooms, then I am certain Jon or the admins will revoke my chat op status.
My gosh people, were talking a kick, not a kill, not a ban.
Take the kick and move on, start another room, pick your nose, go to the loo, make coffee, take a shower, play runescape-But get over it.
August 31 2006 1:44 PM EDT
"There is no 'middle ground'".
That's funny... Players have sure changed a lot of things around here. I wonder how they do that when there is no room for seeing both sides, no compromise, no tolerance for change...no "middle ground". Wherever there is even one person involved, there is middle ground, unless you are of the opinion that Jonathan is some sort of android.
There is always "middle ground". Next you'll be telling me "life's not fair!". Why didn't I think of that?
By the way, the fact that it is "just a kick" has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, in my opinion.
August 31 2006 1:53 PM EDT
Chat ops have their /kick quota to fill. If they don't do that then Jon reduces their monthly salary accordingly. It's the easiest way to fill that quota by clearing out afk rooms.
August 31 2006 1:56 PM EDT
ok, ok, stop the CMs!
A humorous anecdote or remark intended to provoke laughter.
Some people just miss the point I guess :)
August 31 2006 1:57 PM EDT
August 31 2006 2:11 PM EDT
I asked my girlfriend how much she loved me when we first met. She said, "Zero." So then I asked how much she loved me now. She said, "A thousand times that!"
I finally see
August 31 2006 2:32 PM EDT
August 31 2006 3:20 PM EDT
Mem caught me yesterday while i was closing other windows i had open because it was about to storm.. Then my phone lines were messed up and finally got back on around 1:00 today. lol.
August 31 2006 4:04 PM EDT
O.0 if i want to just go for a little smoke break from CB should i still go to carnage? :P
August 31 2006 5:30 PM EDT
If you don't want to be kicked then I should say it'd be wise to do so, Genie.
August 31 2006 6:45 PM EDT
alrighty, then i'd save some time for G_Beee since he's lazy. :D
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