My Last Day Of NUB (Looking for opinions) (in General)


N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 12:07 AM EDT

Okay.. PLEASE don't mistake this for an argument thread.

I want honest, but civil opinions.

My Nub ends tomorrow. I have approximately 300k MPR (I know It's bad, I don't need to be told.) And I'm kind of stuck where to go next. Quitting is not an option.

Should I stop forging after Nub and just fight hard until 1mil MPR , and then go back to forging?

Should I make a new char for NCB?

Any other suggestions are welcomed, as I could use the help. Nothing mean please. :)

three4thsforsaken March 11 2008 12:14 AM EDT

you say you have 20 million.

with no equips that's actually not that much. So I would say if you ever want to reach high MPR (2million was it?) find a very cheap strat (sigh, like RoBF) , and spend it all on BA. However you'll find yourself screwed in 4 months.

If you're thinking long term. I would recommend running a no BA buying NCB. to make some cash and level a tattoo. And to give you time to test strats. You need to find equips. All your money means nothing without it.

TheHatchetman March 11 2008 12:16 AM EDT

NCB, even if you don't buy BA, you can still end up with a good strong char near the end as a SFBM with a RoE. Not sure whereabouts MPR-wise, but I'm sure it'd be well over 1.5m...

TheHatchetman March 11 2008 12:17 AM EDT

3/4 pwns :P

Little Anthony March 11 2008 12:17 AM EDT

ncb, and use the usd you made to reinvest into buying ba. let's see what you really made of.

Colonel Custard March 11 2008 12:18 AM EDT

Hyrule_Castle has a 1.6mil MPR character for sale right now. I'm sure you could put in a reasonable bid, and you could use that to forge, if you want to continue on with the forging route.

If you want to grow a character, you should probably start an NCB. Fighting without a bonus will feel so slow, and you won't be making a lot of money. Even and NCB without buying BA should be able to hit 1mil MPR in a little over a month, with the new bonus adjustment, whereas your current character, post-NUB, would probably take at least 6 months.

I don't think you have enough money saved up right now to make a run at the top with an NCB. You could forge some more (I would recommend a high-MPR character you can buy immediately to optimize forging output) to gain more money, or you could buy equips and raise an NCB, and maybe pull a lostling, where you keep fighting at 100% challenge bonus and re-training.

If you're going to go NCB for forging, though, I would recommend sticking it out as far as is bearable before switching to forging, because a 2.3 mil MPR character for forging will be a much quicker return on investment than a 1 mil MPR character.

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 12:18 AM EDT

Keep the opinions coming please, all valid.

Question: If I have a new char, do i retire this one? are all exp and such lost? Orrrr....

Ulord[NK] March 11 2008 12:20 AM EDT

You'll get to 6/20 with good RoE usage and a SFBM. A cheap NCB run will also net you at least 30mil. Focus on getting a large tattoo and level it as much as possible. Decide what you want to do in the future. If you go tank, then start saving up for a weapon as well. I got a 32mil weapon (which I'm not even using), a 3.56mil tattoo and over 100mil nw, making about 45mil cash in my first ncb run from scratch. End of nub is not the end of the world.

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 12:21 AM EDT

Hmm. So if my main purpose is forging, the best route would be to buy the biggest MPR char I can?

Ulord[NK] March 11 2008 12:24 AM EDT

Also, please do not waste your time forging without bonus. You'll make a lot more money running cash cow ncbs. average 500 a fight easily with 100% cb at medium mpr = 450k a day. You will forge 450k a day. and you get about half of that back if you have business. Did I mention fighting is more fun?

ActionAction March 11 2008 1:02 AM EDT

For sure NCB :P. Any way you like, just expect to lose money if you plan on buying BA~. I jumped into my NCB with no preparation except a little forethought on my strategy (or lack thereof) - you have some time to save up some BA and get someone to xfer a NCB to you :P.

Mikel March 11 2008 1:14 AM EDT

Okay.. PLEASE don't mistake this for an argument thread.

Burn baby burn.......

Oh.. :) Solid suggestions there.
*never thought about running an NCB to use it as a cash cow, but the tattoo part is solid.

Use a ROE to get your MPR up as fast as possible, then switch to the tattoo you are going to use and pump it up.
It has been shown time and time again that you can make more fighting than forging. Forge only if you love forging.

Flamey March 11 2008 1:48 AM EDT

Forging sucks. You don't need a large character to forge. An MPR advantage while forging means practically nothing, it's barely visible. It looks like people are misleading you, you don't need a high character to forge. the difference between a 300k MPR forger and a 1.6 mil MPR forger is pretty small.

Also, you miss out on tattoo growth, and character growth. So if you convert all this to money then fighting is more beneficial, and I don't even have figures to show you. Do what JW does, he makes a hell load of money from running an NCB and gets pretty far and doesn't even buy BA.

Or just sell out, like you have been.

[RX3]Cotillion March 11 2008 2:43 AM EDT

/clears throat

Forging and MPR. I just thought I'd share.

three4thsforsaken March 11 2008 2:50 AM EDT

sometimes I wish I knew these things in advance >.<

QBJohnnywas March 11 2008 4:26 AM EDT

I'm hugely in debt, which is fine because:

My NCB is about 250k MPR; I'm sitting around 860k score. I've got nothing but 100% challenge bonus at the moment, and I'm not in a clan. And I managed to make a million between Friday morning and Monday night. A million in four days. Nearly two million a week. Take some time and patience, a cheap strat and you can build up some pretty good equipment if you wish. Then start over again if you want to with a better strat and do again.

You have to fight a lot to do this, I don't miss much BA. But I don't buy BA. Your character will still grow pretty damn fast. If you like forging, then by the end of one decent NCB run you will have - cash, a decent sized tattoo and a char that is perfect for forging.

Wasp [Demon Forging] March 11 2008 6:06 AM EDT

Why don't you sell out and make another NUB : ). Seems to be the in-thing.

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 11:16 AM EDT

Ok, so it seems it's pretty much 100% that I should make a NCB, and just fight as much as possible, without buying BA.

What do I do with my other character?

Talion March 11 2008 11:20 AM EDT

Keep your other character for sentimental reasons.

It will remind you where you started.

Don't Panic March 11 2008 11:23 AM EDT

As an aside, before you create your NCB, make sure to buy all your BA for a week first, to give you a nice jump to get through the lower ranks.

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 11:23 AM EDT

What about his items and exp? Do I leave everything as is?

Will that have a negative effect on my NC when I make it?

QBJohnnywas March 11 2008 11:29 AM EDT

Take all the stuff off that char and create a 'bank' or 'store' char just to hold it. Then retire your old char. That will stop any negative effects on the new char.

Talion March 11 2008 11:31 AM EDT

"That will stop any negative effects on the new char."

There will be no negative effects if the new character is the only one he uses. There is no need to retire it. He will still get the 10/20 rate. Since he is not buying BA, that is the only thing that maters.

QBJohnnywas March 11 2008 11:35 AM EDT

In the past when I've created a new char and kept a larger char open, after a little while the BA refresh went weird. If I had a BA of 10, and didn't spend it, the next ones along would be at the higher BA refresh. I made a post about it, and Jon said that's how it should be, that I should retire my higher char. I'll see if I can find the post.

AdminG Beee March 11 2008 11:39 AM EDT

At only 300k MPR his main character isn't going to create much "weirdness", that said, I'd do as Johnny advises.

I'd also get a tat and grow that right from the start. You won't need a RoE to reach 2m MPR if you're consistent with your fighting and at the end you'll have a nice big Tat that you can sell :)

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 11:49 AM EDT

I do have a tattoo from Odes, should I just use it?

Okay.. so.

1. Create a NCB
2. Create a storage account, and put Odes's items on there
3. Retire Odes.
4. Fight.

Correct? Sorry guys, just want to be sure.

QBJohnnywas March 11 2008 11:54 AM EDT

Use the tattoo. If it's bigger than your max tattoo level that's OK, it means you're getting more from the tattoo than you would from a base one. And you'll hit a point pretty quick where you start growing it anyway.

As for the rest that's it exactly.


And as for the post where I got weird BA refreshes:

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001qto

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 11:58 AM EDT

Max tattoo: 537,044
A Tattoo of Endurance lvl 339,092

Don't Panic March 11 2008 12:02 PM EDT

Do you have a strat in mind? That would probably be the first thing you need to do. Are you going to fight as a 1 minion, then hire once you get bigger? Or are you going to fight as team, if so, what kind of team. Don't do any of the above without a strategy in mind first!

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 12:04 PM EDT

I was planning on just remaking my Odes character. His strategy seemed effective. Fireball/Evasion.

Don't Panic March 11 2008 12:06 PM EDT

Then the ToE will definately work, no need for a RoE since your end goal is to forge. Looks like you're all set, I still say buy up some BA for a couple of days to have a jump-off point, but no one backed me on that.

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 12:14 PM EDT

Okay.. Anything else I need to know?

N0seBLeeD March 11 2008 12:15 PM EDT

Also, I might stay away from forging now. From what I hear it's not as efficient as fighting. So... yeah.

Ulord[NK] March 11 2008 1:51 PM EDT

I recommend against fighting with a low tattoo. You'll get 100% CB without the tattoo easily and an RoE will put you in 6/20 comfortably. Remember, any tattoo under 1.5mil mpr can be bought for pennies. Start shopping for one as you get close to the max tattoo barrier. You should not sell your tattoo, you need to raise a big one yourself and even money can't buy a big tattoo (2mil+). I waited 3 months to insta up to a 2.2mil tattoo and nothing will part me from my current tatt. Don't Panic made a good point about storing up BAs before you start. That should be common knowledge for the most part. A SFBM strategy is always a viable start but you need to be ready to buy minion down the road. (not a problem if you are smart with your money).

Remember, a 6/20 character will sell for a lot more than a 7/20 character. Get there at all cost (2.5 months of RoE would do it)
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