The Mage Shield... (in General)


PearsonTritonRaveshaw September 21 2008 3:40 AM EDT

... should be called the Anti-Mage Shield.

By calling it a mage shield, it is implied that it is used by a mage, when in fact it is designed as a counter to mages.

It's like calling a Prius a sports car! (or something like that.)

Wizard'sFirstRule September 21 2008 3:52 AM EDT

seconded.

Tylan September 21 2008 4:10 AM EDT

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PearsonTritonRaveshaw September 21 2008 4:21 AM EDT

Next installment: Revenge of the (SG)Mage

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 4:36 AM EDT

Why is the name misleading? It's a shield that protects you from mages. A mage shield. Just like a coat stops the rain getting in is called a raincoat. Makes perfect sense.

Adminedyit September 21 2008 5:53 AM EDT

lol nice one JW ;8^)

Cube September 21 2008 6:08 AM EDT

Anti-rain coat

PearsonTritonRaveshaw September 21 2008 7:14 AM EDT

Yeah, I suppose a sports car is really to prevent sport racing. Or even a coffee maker, does in fact, make lemonade. By calling it a mage shield, it is said that it is a shield for mages.

Yukk September 21 2008 8:25 AM EDT

This is English we're talking about. Now you're saying that pain medicine should hurt and mosquito nets should be what mosquitoes use to catch butterflies. It's not like we use a consistent language.

Xiaz on Hiatus September 21 2008 8:38 AM EDT

No, actually, I believe...

Donkey Hote September 21 2008 9:00 AM EDT

a magnet attracts, so a shield repels.

a mage "repeller"

i think its fine the way it is

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 21 2008 10:19 AM EDT

the funny thing is that for years people asked for a shield that mages could use. jon even had it on his fors list i believe.

he did finally give us a mage shield, but it wasn't quite what we wanted. was the name purposefully chosen because our creator has a sense of humor? i cannot say for sure, but either way the joke is on us.

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 10:20 AM EDT

A shield for mages to use would be a mages' shield. As in shield of the mages.

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 10:39 AM EDT

There is consistency involved here anyway. A coat protects, a net protects, a shield protects. The word preceding defines what the item protects the user from. Rain-coat, mosquito-net, mage-shield.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] September 21 2008 10:40 AM EDT

I think it's the mage shield because it's made of mages. Like a Mage skin coat :P

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 10:44 AM EDT

That's the best description.

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 10:46 AM EDT

To further confuse anyone:

Raveshaw has a shield: that is Raveshaw's Shield.

Whereas a shield to protect you from Raveshaw would be a Raveshaw Shield.

Note the use of apostrophe.

Now I'm going to have a Sunday afternoon nap.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] September 21 2008 1:37 PM EDT

Thank goodness we have mithril shields to protect us from mithril.

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 1:42 PM EDT

But that's fine because a mithril shield is made of mithril. A mage shield - unless Flatcap is right - isn't made of mage. Of course Mithril can get a bit grouchy on Wednesdays, so maybe you might need some protection from it then.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 21 2008 2:00 PM EDT

if you take mage fibers, and through chemical bonding make them into stretched out mage buckyballs, let's call them mage nanotubes or mage buckytubes. you can then use these long tubes, along with resin to layer into objects, such as shields. these shields would very strong and resistent to most types of damage i theorize.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 21 2008 2:02 PM EDT

mages might possibly be averse to using them, as some of their peers went into the manufacturing process.

Lord Bob September 21 2008 2:38 PM EDT

"I think it's the mage shield because it's made of mages. Like a Mage skin coat"

I like to think of it that way.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw September 21 2008 3:36 PM EDT

Mosquito net - a net for mosquitos
Sports car - A car used for sport
Doghouse - a house for a dog
Rain coat - A coat used for the rain
Mage shield - A shield used for mages? WRONG!

Yes the net protects from mosquitos, but the point is, it it is used when there are mosquitos. Same thing for the raincoat. You all epicly fail. Except for titan, because he made me laugh. =P

QBJohnnywas September 21 2008 3:50 PM EDT

"Yes the net protects from mosquitos, but the point is, it it is used when there are mosquitos. Same thing for the raincoat."

And the same for a mage shield. You use it when there are mages. Unless you're an idiot and you're using when there are tanks.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw September 21 2008 3:53 PM EDT

the name still implies that it is a shield used by mages.

DoS September 21 2008 3:54 PM EDT

(n) shield (a protective covering or structure)

Mage protective covering

PearsonTritonRaveshaw September 21 2008 3:55 PM EDT

OK so DoS, when did we start to debate what a shield does? I don't think we did.

DoS September 21 2008 3:56 PM EDT

It isn't a mage's shield, it is a shield used against mages for protection.

Lochnivar September 21 2008 4:22 PM EDT

I think this debate has made the rounds before...

Just accept that you got pwned by Jon and move on.
(also known as 'The Changemonth Doctrine')

Oh, and Rave your raincoat/ a coat for the rain example actually supports the name mage shield as the word usage and intent are nearly identical.

Wizard'sFirstRule September 21 2008 5:34 PM EDT

except you get new players that goes:
I am a mage, what item do I get? spellbooster? check, helm of clearsight? I am not an archer, why clearsight, mage shield? I need one of those.

Colonel Custard September 21 2008 5:39 PM EDT

And then you get the vet that goes "No. You should read the wiki if you want to know how to use any item."

Lochnivar September 21 2008 5:40 PM EDT

That's a pretty inconclusive argument considering how long it takes to be able to afford those items. I don't foresee a 2 day old newbie buying a Mage Shield and then quitting CB out of frustration.

Personally I don't think CB should cater to people too stupid to read the wiki before blowing a couple of mil on gear...
but maybe I'm just an elitist.

But to misquote Shakespeare:
"Would not a Mage Shield by any other name repel as much magic damage?"

Colonel Custard September 21 2008 5:49 PM EDT

Hey Shakespeare:

Mages Hate Me [0] (+50) worth $31,526,548 owned by Mikel (King of Pain)
Deflect [0] (+50) worth $31,526,548 owned by Ancient Anubis (Soul Collector)
A Maid's Shield [0] (+49) worth $26,558,323 owned by Freed (The Hens of Daze)
A Mage Shield [0] (+47) worth $18,847,334 owned by Adminedyit (storage1)
A Named Mage Shield [0] (+47) worth $18,847,334 owned by AdminNightStrike

I think they repel more.

Cube September 21 2008 5:50 PM EDT

Mosquito net - a net for mosquitos
Rain coat - A coat used for the rain

Both those examples support Mage Shield as proper use

three4thsforsaken September 21 2008 5:51 PM EDT

Mage shield is one of those items that benefit more from naming. If you really care about your mage shield it should be named to a "anti mage shield"

So far there the reasoning is flawed that mage shield implies that it is to be used for mages.

swaggpy September 21 2008 5:55 PM EDT

I don't think new players would actually have a MgS anyways.

Charlie September 21 2008 5:58 PM EDT

Can I name my MS "mosquito net" or is that name taken - I'd like to think I was insulting mages that way rather than making mosquitos think that they could have free use of my shield...
Ho hum, thanks for starting this amusing thread :)
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