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QBOddBird March 27 2009 1:10 PM EDT

Be careful what you ask for

I'm afraid we'll shortly see one like it, saying "There is no more FS/WTB threads. Congratulations, community."

The real irony here is that some of the very folks who criticized Sickone so harshly for doing something he felt was abuse-able to prove his point are now doing the EXACT same thing in order to prove theirs.

So nice work, you two. Keep it up. Prove to Jonathan that the same childish antics that lost us our FS/WTB replies are still alive and kicking today, so we can finally rid ourselves of the FS/WTB forum altogether.

QBRanger March 27 2009 1:11 PM EDT

I certainly do.

We wish for the rolling bonus--did not get it.

We wish for the AOJ to be fixed---did not get it.

I can go on and on.

QBRanger March 27 2009 1:12 PM EDT

And if you have a problem with me selling my items then o well.

If people can choose the price to sell their items, can I not also?

three4thsforsaken March 27 2009 1:12 PM EDT

But we did get the AoJ constant +10. That's worth something.

FailBoat[SG] March 27 2009 1:13 PM EDT

Atleast we're in the right month. lol

QBOddBird March 27 2009 1:14 PM EDT

Your request is reasonable: "I think the current system is rife for abuse. I have a suggestion on how to fix it."

Your methods are not: "I'm going to post multiple FS/WTB threads asking for prices for items that I know are not the standard in an effort to criticize and ostracize another member of the community for something I feel is silly. I do not care if this bumps every other thread off of the Home page; after all, I paid my 2k fee, right? It's not abuse, this is how the system works!"

And again, this is the same thing another member of the community was HARSHLY criticized for not that long ago. Please, pick a standard and stick with it.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 27 2009 1:14 PM EDT

Spam is spam, and posting threads that result in confusion isn't likely to be appreciated.

QBOddBird March 27 2009 1:16 PM EDT

I don't care if you sell your items, or if you ask whatever price you want for them.

I care that you are intentionally doing this with sarcastic, I'd even say unfriendly purpose.

I care that you are doing so to prove a point about the 2k fee post/bump.

I care that you are doing so and not consolidating your items into 1 thread.


You can play the "hey, it's my right, this is just how the system works" card all you want, but if you think everyone here is moronic enough to think you're just lil' innocent Ranger sellin' his items, you're dead wrong.

Wasp [Demon Forging] March 27 2009 1:18 PM EDT

Huh? I'm only trying to sell my gear thanks. The fs/wtb forums are cheaper then the auction house so I put my add up here. I fail to see why I'm being childish. I'm not trying to prove a point to anyone. I am, however, trying to sell some unwanted items.

QBOddBird March 27 2009 1:19 PM EDT

I never mentioned your name, but if you feel your actions fall under the category I'm describing, Wasp, feel free to be offended.

QBRanger March 27 2009 1:29 PM EDT

OB,

Glad to hear your the great morality person of CB now.

However, I am selling unwanted items. At a price I want for them.

Not unlike most everyone in CB.

I appreciate you telling me not to sell them. Or to decipher my intentions of selling. Or.....

If I were to try to be malicious, I would have posted more then 3 unwanted items I have. I have at least 15 I do not need now.

So.. according to you I should make my BIN's for less than market and make 1 thread.

Do you know that when I try to sell my items in 1 thread, I get a lot less bids? Therefore the multiple threads.

So stop reading my mind or deciphering my actions.

Let me sell my items in peace like plenty of others in CB do.

Godpanda March 27 2009 1:30 PM EDT

When problems like this garbage go away, I'll start referring people to CB again.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 27 2009 1:32 PM EDT


It's still you're.

{cb2}Dinh March 27 2009 1:33 PM EDT

OB, quit posting, Ranger, quit selling, WIN-WIN for all involved...'cept Ranger

QBRanger March 27 2009 1:39 PM EDT

Thanks Bast.

I was posting to rapidly.

I should know better helping my 7 year old with homework.

QBOddBird March 27 2009 1:40 PM EDT

Or, Ranger, if you would prefer, I could simply post the Chatlog where you talked about how stupid AoD's sale was and that you were going to post a couple of your own.

Funny, that doesn't seem like mind-reading, that just sounds like READING-reading.


<Ranger> Can we call AoD's CB sale thread obvious spam?
<OddBird> no
<Ranger> ok then, time for another sarcasitc post from me
<OddBird> Why?
<Ranger> because he is obviously not going to sell at that price and is doing no good from bumping his posts
<OddBird> "I've been offered $7.5 for 2 mill. " -- might be doing more good than you think
<Ranger> That is not AoDs doing, it is a rogue buyer
<Wasp> Did you see my sarcastic post?
<Ranger> and I will believe it when it is sold at that price
<Ranger> no Wasp, where is it?
<SilvaGaidin> Let the price go back up if it thats what people are willing to pay Ranger. It won't change much.
<Wasp> Under the fs/wtb bits
<Ranger> the GOM one?
<Wasp> Yeah, you wanna buy?
<Ranger> ll hold off, but if i cannot get one cheaper, I will hit you up
<OddBird> I don't see a reason to antagonize him over it. If he feels like putting out the 2k/post, there's no reason he should be harassed for it.
<Ranger> fair enough, but If i want to sell someting obviously out of nl price range, for 2K a post I can spam as long as I want then?
<OddBird> that's the idea behind the new FS/WTB system
<OddBird> if you recall, it was changed so people wouldn't harass others in their own threads
<Wasp> Finally into the 6/20 zone
<Ranger> I know OB
<OddBird> so by logic, there's no need to do it outside of their threads either
<BadFish> :( is someone really buying those gloves wasp?
<Ranger> but there is potential abuse then, one can say I have an offer for xxxx and be lying to get others to bid higher
<OddBird> yes, people can lie
<Wasp> But then they take the chance of selling to themselves lol
<Wasp> Yeah : )
<Messbrutal> what is more important on a weapon for a NUB like me, the Xmultiplyer or the +to hit?
<Ranger> X
<BadFish> X
<Ranger> if you have some dexterity
<Messbrutal> and is it worth it to invest in my elven stiletto or to keep hording money to buy a great weapon from auction?
* Lochnivar considers doing a pump-and-dump on his stockpile of elven stilettos
<BadFish> Get a better weapon.
<Wasp> lol
<BadFish> Weapons are currently pretty inexpensive.
<BadFish> with your new user bonus you'll make oodles of money and can buy whatever you need.
<Messbrutal> thanks for the advice folks
<BadFish> But at the cost of your soul
<Messbrutal> still figuring some stuff out, but I guess I am on the right trck
<Wasp> lol Ranger : )
<Ranger> lets continue
<OddBird> looks to me like you're on the right track too, mess
<Messbrutal> ;-)
* Lochnivar foresees a potential disciplinary situation developing in forums
<Ranger> Why? are we not allowed to sell via forums?
<Wasp> We are trying to sell our unwanted items. Whats the problem?
<OddBird> lol Wasp....6 months payplan, but minimum 500k a week?
<Ranger> even if our prices are WAYYY out of line?
<Wasp> :P
<Ranger> I have tons of items on Funkies I want to sell to help up my bows
<Fatil1ty> lol guys, you're spamming the FS threads
<Fatil1ty> with stuff that is nothing but pointless
<Ranger> I am selling my stuff


O WAIT. You mean Ranger doesn't always perform EVERY action with the noblest of intentions?

You can drop your ad hominum distraction argument about me being "the most moral guy on CB" - I'm just literate, and I don't appreciate someone trying to spam the CB forums just to prove their own little point.

QBRanger March 27 2009 1:43 PM EDT

Did I make a sarcastic post about AoD? NO.

He reminded me that I can try to sell some items I had lying about for a nice profit.

I guess we need to carefully scrutinize everyone selling in forums for abuse then.

I nominate you OB as the ossifer.

QBOddBird March 27 2009 1:50 PM EDT

I accept your nomination, and will make it my personal duty to harden you like bone?

QBRanger March 27 2009 1:56 PM EDT

As long as you harder everyone as well!!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 27 2009 1:59 PM EDT

When you were young
and your heart was an open book
You used to say live and let live
you know you did
you know you did
you know you did
But if this ever changing
in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die

What does it matter to ya
When ya got a job to do
Ya got to do it well
You got to give the other fella hell

You used to say live and let live
you know you did
you know you did
you know you did
But if this ever changing
in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die

QBRanger March 27 2009 2:01 PM EDT

A truly wonderful movie.

IMO the bestest Bond ever.

Great gal, great villian, great crocodile bridge, great gadgets, etc..

kronopolous March 27 2009 2:04 PM EDT

honestly you're acting a tad childish. And if somebody is paying the prices you're asking SHAME ON YOU because they are most assuredly a new user and you are taking advantage of peoples ignorance.




I propose that a new system for buying selling be set up...simliar to rentals except you post the item you're selling and the BIN price and TADA you wait!.


so simple and so transparant.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] March 27 2009 2:04 PM EDT

<Ranger> I am selling my stuff

/me Wonders how much he sold so far ^.^

QBRanger March 27 2009 2:06 PM EDT

I am selling some of my unused stuff.

Better now?

Clearer?

Get the picture now?

QBRanger March 27 2009 2:07 PM EDT

"I propose that a new system for buying selling be set up...simliar to rentals except you post the item you're selling and the BIN price and TADA you wait!. "

Ever hear of auctions.

The link is on the left frame just under Businesses.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] March 27 2009 2:15 PM EDT

I feel jon's time should be concentrated elswhere, rather than childish pranks in the forums.

kevlar March 27 2009 2:33 PM EDT

"honestly you're acting a tad childish. And if somebody is paying the prices you're asking SHAME ON YOU because they are most assuredly a new user and you are taking advantage of peoples ignorance."

I agree.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 27 2009 2:34 PM EDT

I guess I missed whatever happened? or I'm not seeing what all the whining is about.

There was a great clip on Mad, you can youtube it. Search 'STOP IT Mad.'

I'm not going to take a side, I'm just curious why everyone is all on ranger's toes. Ranger is one of the few longtime members who stands his ground and to some extent he is usually right.

People just need to STOP IT. This is a game. As soon as you start bringing your emotions and bickering into it, it no longer is fun not only for yourself, but the people around you.

So...

STOP IT!

/end thread.

kevlar March 27 2009 2:37 PM EDT

^that kind of post doesn't do anything, honestly Nilla :/ Read up more about why the post was created. The point of the thread is that some are concerned the stuff going on in the FS/WTB forums is bad for the game and should stop.

QBRanger March 27 2009 2:38 PM EDT

So now it is up to someone to determine what is the right or wrong price for an item?

Or the right or wrong price for the selling of CB2?

This could get very interesting.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] March 27 2009 2:42 PM EDT

I agree with your message ranger just not the delivery.

QBsutekh137 March 27 2009 2:46 PM EDT

Bast,

Glad to hear you['re] the great grammar person of CB now.

However, I am spelling words the way I wish. At a use I want for them.

Not unlike most everyone in CB.

I appreciate you telling me not to use "your". Or to decipher my intentions of grammatical abuse. Or.....

If I were to try to be malicious, I would have posted more th[a]n 3 grammar mistakes in my post. I have at least 15 I do not need now.

So.. according to you I should make my mistakes for less than your skill-level and make 1 thread.

Do you know that when I try to make mistakes in 1 thread, I get a lot less criticism? Therefore the multiple typos.

So stop pushing my mind or deciphering my grammatical errors.

Let me make my mistakes in peace like plenty of others in CB do.

[Editor's note: I just couldn't resist. IN NO WAY is this meant as a barb on Rander, Bast, OB, or this thread. This is pure, Friday levity, so if you have issues with it, please CM me directly. Have a great weekend!]

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] March 27 2009 2:48 PM EDT

Glad to hear you['re] the great grammar person of CB now.

Nuh huh that was and always will be hakai ^.^

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 27 2009 2:48 PM EDT

Rander! ;)

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 27 2009 2:49 PM EDT


And this after I passed on the "It's still too." post!

I love you, two.

QBRanger March 27 2009 2:50 PM EDT

Sut,

She always was.

That is the reason we all love/hate her. ;)

However, it is your prerogative to post as many errors in grammar that you want in as many threads as you see fit.

Join us in the Dark Side with respect to grammar. To hell with it I say!!!

QBsutekh137 March 27 2009 2:53 PM EDT

I make enough typos that it generally takes no intent for me to screw up. *smile*

I must have written the word "tihnk" a million times around here. Sure hope it isn't a tumor.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] March 27 2009 2:54 PM EDT

Apparently you all need a time out as children occasionally do. Just shut. up.

There is no reason for this to have grown as big as it has. Good lord, you people need a hobby.

Thak March 27 2009 2:55 PM EDT

Im not sure what the big deal is here. if the person isnt bumping the post every 10 mins or so how are they spamming. Per AOD's thread mentioned above he bumped in a min of 24 hours pretty much. whats wrong with that. So what if we all know he is not going to get that amount. If he does good for him and sorry for the person who bought it.

Who is to say what topics have a right to be on the home page. If that is the case it should be admin posts about game and made sticky. If you guys are gonna police the board you have to come up with a whole set of rules to say what is considered spam, abuse of systems in place, etc..

Arent there more imporant things to worry about in the game like bugged eq and how to get new players to keep joining.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 27 2009 3:18 PM EDT

This IS our Hobby.

kevlar March 27 2009 3:21 PM EDT

Thak: "Arent there more important things to worry about in the game like bugged eq and how to get new players to keep joining..."

...and not be taken advantage of? (joining vs. staying are 2 huge things) >:) Seems like a legit concern.

This whole thing is actually interesting, honestly, from the standpoint on how it could possibly impact, or does already, new players.

(I consider this game as a hobby :)

Wasp [Demon Forging] March 27 2009 3:31 PM EDT

If it bothers you all that much I'll fine myself a 'sarcastic' tax to tourney prizes. You had to turn a mole hill into a mountain didn't you. Spam spam spam spam. I've read loads of threads that are totally pointless and full of dribble and yet I don't feel the need to create another thread to say it's 'spam'. At the end of the day though the post's that I created are still doing what they are meant to do - selling. Those items are both for sale still, the frame of mind I am in when I wrote the post shouldn't be an issue.

"Prove to Jonathan that the same childish antics that lost us our FS/WTB replies are still alive and kicking today"

That was put to stop others from commenting on other peoples sales. Aren't you doing it now by making a post whining about someones sale? Either way that was a good change, and one that was probably needed.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] March 27 2009 3:46 PM EDT

You know sometimes I think you guys argue just because you enjoy it. P.S. this isn't meant to be insulting, because I do this sometimes.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 27 2009 4:38 PM EDT

Their goes Hakai's bid for grammar queen. ;)

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 27 2009 4:38 PM EDT

And 'their' goes mine. For grammar king, anyway.

Lord Bob March 27 2009 5:13 PM EDT

Ha ha!

TheHatchetman March 27 2009 11:18 PM EDT

There's like, maybe 5 or 6 people on CB that use "than" properly... :P What makes it funnier is that at least two of those that I'm thinking of, are not the sharpest of spoons in the garbage disposal...

Tyriel [123456789] March 27 2009 11:42 PM EDT

"There's like, maybe 5 or 6 people on CB that use "than" properly... :P"

More than that, I'd say.

And is anybody as lost in this thread as I am? Did I miss something in chat recently about a "real irony" about proving a point through abuse? Some kind of OP- or Admin- related thing? :/

QBOddBird March 27 2009 11:46 PM EDT

Yes...it seems you have indeed missed what's been going on here in forums, Tyriel. Wouldn't be tough to find if you were curious.

Tyriel [123456789] March 28 2009 12:51 AM EDT

Oh, that. Yeah, I didn't really take much notice to that. Read the first couple posts, then never looked at it again. Didn't notice or think that it had gotten out of hand.

Opinions + Opinions = Trouble.

Lord Bob March 28 2009 12:52 AM EDT

"And is anybody as lost in this thread as I am?"

No, it's not just you Tyriel. I checked out the FS/WTB forum, and aside from the two people selling $CB at far, far, FAR over the accepted price, I haven't seen anything I would object to.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] March 28 2009 12:54 AM EDT

/me is mildly suprised this is not closed yet..

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 28 2009 12:56 AM EDT


Shade is having a weekend, mayhap.

Lord Bob March 28 2009 1:02 AM EDT

Let's hope it's closed soon. This thread is ridiculous.

And to compare the mockery of one who is trying to rip off new, naive players to what Sick one did to the bulk of the community is just disgusting.

QBOddBird March 28 2009 1:05 AM EDT

Wait, so you didn't see anything you would object to, but you recognized the mockery of another of our players?

Keep in mind that you are making a huge assumption that AoD is trying to rip off new players.

And yes, I think the comparison is perfectly legitimate, and I have no problem saying it is ridiculous to create threads simply to mock another user and defend oneself by saying "I paid for my thread."

Lord Bob March 28 2009 1:24 AM EDT

"Wait, so you didn't see anything you would object to, but you recognized the mockery of another of our players?"

Correct.

"Keep in mind that you are making a huge assumption that AoD is trying to rip off new players."

The current accepted USD > CB rate is no secret.

"And yes, I think the comparison is perfectly legitimate,"

Then we disagree.

"and I have no problem saying it is ridiculous to create threads simply to mock another user and defend oneself by saying "I paid for my thread." "

And I'm saying mocking another player who is PURPOSELY trying to rip off other players is a far, far cry from bashing one who is destroying the rewards of a large segment of community, for no other purpose than to do so to prove a point which has already been proven.
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