a side note (in Off-topic)

Ancient Anubis April 13 2009 11:01 PM EDT

one thing i have noted in more than one chat is the number of prudes around. Must be becasue i'm an aussie and we are so laid back sometimes we forget to get up, but i have to say when it comes to conversations and expressing ones self everyone seems to be over conservative prudes. Talk about bubble wrapping the world.

QBOddBird April 13 2009 11:03 PM EDT

Just because you're not "prude" does not make you exempt to the PG rules in Chat. Making a thread about it won't change those rules, either. Particularly when you were warned before you broke the rule a second time and earned your /kill.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] April 13 2009 11:09 PM EDT

That wasn't even a borderline "if I reworded it it wouldn't have been wrong" word. Sorry, AA. I'd have done the same if I'd saw it first.

We didn't make the PG rule. But we all have to follow it.

Ancient Anubis April 13 2009 11:10 PM EDT

hey i'm not complaining bout being kicked i know what i did and i accept the punishment i am purely making a comment on what i have observed in the world around me and the fact that what we say is being monitored and controlled more and more by societies prudish need to remove anything associated with uncomfortable topics of discussion in order to supposedly protect the young. Interestingly enough these topics have only become uncomfortable due to the lack of communication in such areas. This how ever is not an endorsement of language such as swearing and the connotations linked with such words.

QBOddBird April 13 2009 11:21 PM EDT

It's true that online game communities do often try to "bubble wrap" the language and topics a bit, but I think it's more of a 'learning from experience' kind of thing. The classic example here is usually Runescape - go log in there for a while, there are some places in the game where you cannot carry a coherent conversation for all the swearing, racial slurs, spamming, trolling, flaming, et cetera and so forth. This is strictly in reference to online communities, however; IRL people tend to follow certain social mores and guidelines. Online there is no such tendency or restriction due to the nearly complete anonymity people feel.

TL;DR = I'd rather have conversations somewhat safeguarded than be unable to carry a decent one, myself.

Ancient Anubis April 13 2009 11:28 PM EDT

It is truly a sad state of affairs whereby people can not have a fully open and civilised chat but i do understand the need to reign those that are so mentally limited to a world of hate, anger and depraved language lacking and coherency what so ever. Thankfully we have the ability to choose those we chat with and which chats we shall join. I must ask though is pg status determined purely by the word or the context in which the word is used?

rrowland April 13 2009 11:32 PM EDT

Wouldn't it make more sense to punish the abhorrent behavior rather than the specific words they use? Considering you can still be disruptive/offensive/insulting without the use of such words, and you can use those words in a light hearted, non-offensive manner.

Just my two cents. I've never had much of a problem staying PG; my vocabulary enables more intelligent conversation. I don't have a problem with bad words though. :)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 13 2009 11:34 PM EDT

perhaps that is why we have human admins rather than profanity filters for judgment calls.

rrowland April 13 2009 11:38 PM EDT

Dudemus, from what I've seen they don't apply much more judgement than an automated system would.

Demigod April 13 2009 11:43 PM EDT

For my two cents, I fully support the PG limit. I've dealt with enough childish trolls to prefer a strict PG rule. The punishment for erring is not that severe, but it does prevent repeated intentional misbehavior.
Given the extremes, hurray for this.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 13 2009 11:43 PM EDT

oh well, i have been seeing these posts for six years and tire of the drama. turn off chat or follow the rules. you can play the game without chat, i have done so for 3 or so years now.

if it is that important to you to have free speech, can you not create your own chat rooms?

rrowland April 13 2009 11:44 PM EDT

Like I said, I'm just giving my two cents. It could be better but the way it is really doesn't bother me.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] April 13 2009 11:45 PM EDT

Supporters are able to create their own rooms, yes.

QBOddBird April 13 2009 11:47 PM EDT


PG Chat for Dummies

I'm just doing my job as a volunteer Chatop. There are times when interpretation plays a role; however, unPG language is pretty clear. If you have a problem with the rules that I'm supposed to be enforcing, however, feel free to get mad at the guy who thought a PG policy would be a good idea:

"hey kid, if I want to run a clean game that's my right."
-- Jonathan, August 2 2002 3:39 PM EDT

P.S. - I think he was right. It is a good idea.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 13 2009 11:47 PM EDT

i wish we had dates on polls! this one wasn't that long ago and it would appear that the majority of users think the pg restriction is right on.


Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] April 14 2009 12:02 AM EDT

That poll ran about October or so if I recall correctly. I was pro PG rule. :)

bartjan April 14 2009 12:08 AM EDT

That poll ran on October 24, 2008.

kevlar April 14 2009 12:10 AM EDT

Stats from that poll: 50.3 (fine the way it is) - 49.7 (out of step with CB's mature demographics; relax it a little / Obolete get rid of it) = 0.6% more was the margin, that defined "majority"

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] April 14 2009 12:11 AM EDT

It still doesn't make a difference what we think.

It's Jon's call. Clearly, he decided he wanted to keep it as it has been nearly 6 months with no change.

kevlar April 14 2009 12:12 AM EDT

Sure it makes a difference what we think, lol... or else a poll like that wouldn't have been taken?

Demigod April 14 2009 12:14 AM EDT

"Mature demographic" Riiiiiight.

From the recent CB Member Age thread, I remember the "Mature Demographic" being primarily teenagers.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] April 14 2009 12:30 AM EDT

Your memory must be a little weak from being so mature then Demigod, most of the community is the legal age of an adult, with a few exceptions.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] April 14 2009 12:31 AM EDT

Sorry for the double post, but I was one of the people who voted for the "fine as is" selection, but I personally believe that is out of step, it's just always been fine for me.

Lord Bob April 14 2009 12:33 AM EDT

"Wouldn't it make more sense to punish the abhorrent behavior rather than the specific words they use?"

Yes, which is exactly why it will never happen around here.

Ancient Anubis April 14 2009 1:24 AM EDT

geez people i'm not saying we should change our chat or the way in which it is monitored merely making a GENERALISED statement about the ideology behind chat censorship sorry if i have been unclear but i am not attacking our chat specifically.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 14 2009 1:28 AM EDT

i think people are more annoyed at the creation of this thread then the fact that you don't like the PG rulings ;)

i personally don't care either way but some of the PG rules are a bit severe considering the context of many words can be changed by those surrounding it.

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] April 14 2009 1:35 AM EDT

Haha this post is so true. Just read the first post, so know no other context like?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] April 14 2009 1:37 AM EDT

I don't think he is saying he has a problem with the PG rule...he just does not like that we can't talk about mature things in a mature manner without being penalized by this PG rule which many think is there to help keep chat mature :).

AdminShade April 14 2009 2:09 AM EDT

if 50% thinks it should be kept clean + Jonathan = vast majority.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] April 14 2009 2:21 AM EDT

Create your own "Chatroom" and no one will think twice if you chat in there and talk about anything you want. I'm not gonna say much of anything on this matter for I have been there before and said a word or two that was not quite appropriate... but we have to follow the rules for now, or until they are changed.

BootyGod April 14 2009 10:37 AM EDT

I put these threads blame squarely on the shoulders of people's lack of imagination. You know, there are probably only 10-20 words that aren't allowed in CB chat. If you're SO narrow minded and unimaginative that the loss of those 20 words hampers your ability to speak... I really don't want to hear what you have to say.

Yeah, that's an arrogant thing to say. Probably elitist too. But it would embarrass me to be so upset by no longer being able to swear and insult people. Which is pretty much the entirety of what you're not allowed to do in chat.

This could go on and on forever. There have many so many threads made on this, and so much discussion, I really don't think anything will be gained by going through it all again.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 14 2009 11:40 AM EDT

i think it has more to do with the fact that most people on the planet can be split into two categories, glass half empty or full.

some will concentrate on what we are kept from doing rather than looking at the much longer list of things that we are able to do in this world that jon has created for us and that he allows us to play in for free.

they see what we cannot do as a negative and are the type that usually focus on the negatives in life. the fact that some of us view their negatives as a positive makes no sense to them regardless of how often we explain it.

i challenge these people to start a list. on one side list all of the things we are capable of doing, withing this free universe that jon has created for us. on the other side list the things we cannot do. i can think of hundreds on the "can do" side but can only think of a handful on the "cannot do" side. ; )

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 14 2009 11:44 AM EDT

I'd rather drink what was in the glass, not ponder whether it was half-empty or half-full. ;)

rrowland April 14 2009 1:19 PM EDT

It's my spit cup. Enjoy.

QBOddBird April 14 2009 3:40 PM EDT

"we can't talk about mature things in a mature manner without being penalized by this PG rule"

Haha, from my side it seems more like the difficulty is that the rule ONLY allows you to talk about mature things in a mature manner ;)

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] April 14 2009 4:16 PM EDT

Is this post referring to the PG rule? If so it's definatly needed. I think of it as a nice filter. Just look at runescape chat lol

QBRanger April 14 2009 4:58 PM EDT

I just ask one question before I post.

Knowing Jon lives in Utah and how conservative that state is, would what I type in chat be wrong to say in front of a 4 year old from that state?

If the answer is yes, I do not post it.

If no, I post it.

If I am unsure, I take the convervative approach and do not post it.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] April 14 2009 5:59 PM EDT

This is my approach, "I don't care what others say, only about what I say." If what I say is intelligent and comprehensible, then I will say it, if not I don't.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 15 2009 7:10 AM EDT

I love you too, rrowland.
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