BMVG: Amulet of Junction (in General)
Amulet of Junction 15 96 84.4%
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May 12 2009 5:15 PM EDT
I believe we should have a discussion on this rather than vote like lemmings.
I thought the point of this IS to get people to vote like lemmings, because otherwise nobody votes at all, and the BMVG goes to waste.
Exactly Verifex. The reason Ranger wishs for us to vote out a SF is due to his current need for one.
May 12 2009 5:23 PM EDT
NO body needs an AoJ! go rent one!. The game gets brutally stagnant when it costs 1.5M to buy a tat (7.5 USD).
besides it's ironic that people are voting for the AoJ when nobody has freaking familiars.
sheesh people vote for familiiars.
I need an AoJ. Among others. But I guess we're nobody, right Fatality?
May 12 2009 5:28 PM EDT
rent one...there are 10 in rentals.
I would have to go with fatality. How many weeks now have we just voted for AoJ?
There's a difference between Renting an item necessary to your strat, and owning it.
Maybe if all those hording AoJ's sold them instead, it would be a different matter...
Also, I see 4 in Rentals, not 10, and none of them are +10, so only junction at 90%.
I suppose you could always name someones rental, but then you could send me the $5 instead.
May 12 2009 6:26 PM EDT
There are 75 AoJs in the game. We definitely need more of them.
There are 186 steel familiars out there. Maybe those who want one aren't asking loud enough.
So the solution to this is to vote AoJ straight for the next 2 or 3 months?
May 12 2009 6:53 PM EDT
Well one would think that after the AoJ spawns, the next item with the most votes get the BMVG seal of approval.
So whether it is a compound bow or Mithril Cuirass, it automatically gets the top ranking.
May 12 2009 7:02 PM EDT
oh and GL. that 10 AoJ number includes the ones currenlty rented
May 12 2009 7:11 PM EDT
I think it says enough that some of the people voting for AoJ are people currently renting them. They're obviously keen to own them.
May 12 2009 7:32 PM EDT
And those that need familiars will vote for them.
May 12 2009 7:35 PM EDT
When did the BMVG change from votes in the thread to votes in the black market?
When people stopped voting Mitt. It has had to change due to the lack of interaction and more of a forced lemming system.
So whether it is a compound bow or Mithril Cuirass, it automatically gets the top ranking.
I would hardly compare an AoJ too a MC or a compound bow o.O.
May 12 2009 8:12 PM EDT
Well then, I'll start voting again. I vote for spellboosters.
zzzZzZ Considering I see maybe 5 people trying very actively to buy BoM, and none spawning, and no one willing to sell theirs, I will be continuing to put my votes there.
May 12 2009 9:20 PM EDT
I don't. Like free will better.
Come on Ranger; Let them eat AoJ.
I hate this BMVG system. It active encourage people to vote for their preferred item instead of going with the flow. If I want a lesser electric familiar, and I vote AoJ, LEF isn't likely to be top vote. So in order to get my LEF, I want to NOT vote AoJ, and vote LEF instead, so everyone who wants something votes whatever they want => System breakdown!!!.
May 12 2009 11:49 PM EDT
The best way would be a weekly poll. One that one of the admins could put up. That's just my thought though.
May 13 2009 12:36 AM EDT
Make it on Sunday night before the BM votes become available.
The BMVG system, like many systems on CB, work much better with many more active users.
"And those that need familiars will vote for them."
So the push to vote for the AoJ (I'm sure you were one of the people pushing voting for them Ranger) was ok until you no longer needed one?
Now it's vote for what I want, or your using a silly voting system.
I need a RoBF. Let's all vote for one of those instead. I also need a Corn, and some Spellboosters. We can Vote for your SF after. That cool?
May 13 2009 3:16 AM EDT
If somebody wants to take on the Black Market Vote - that is organising the vote, carrying out the posting then I'll use my vote whichever way that posting takes me, as I'm sure many of us do and have been doing for quite some time now.
If anybody disagrees with it then take it on yourselves. The people who have been carrying out their voting quietly, consistently over the years will no doubt continue to do so, just at the prompting of whatever voting guide exists.
To make anything spawn with the amount of votes necessary for most items we need to vote en masse lemming style otherwise it doesn't happen.
Amulet of Junction 26 96 72.9%
Just keep voting, Just keep voting.
Roll over the hill!
May 13 2009 11:35 AM EDT
Halidon Familiar 6 49 87.8%
I want this!
May 13 2009 11:39 AM EDT
Do you see more FS posts wanting a AoJ or a familiar?
I see hardly a one for a AoJ now. Before I saw quite a few.
Times have changed. I do not care if a SF gets spawned after 10 different familiars. But I see all the posts in the forums wanting a familiar with 4-5 bumps. I see that as a problem.
So GL, time to stop saying this is all about me. Spawn a SF in a year, I do not care. But there are plenty of people needing a HF or RBF who cannot find one. I think that is more important than spawning another AoJ given there are quite a few in rentals, and hardly a post wanting to buy one.
May 13 2009 11:42 AM EDT
But to blindly say we are voting for xxx due to the fact it has the most votes is sheer madness.
Why not ask the community what they really need? I see the need for familiars far more than an AoJ or SB or a corn. Just look at the FS/WTB threads and see for yourself before you attack me for being selfish.
Being a Lemming is great, if your a lemming. Not if your a human.
No one noticed my obscure capitalization! I was, sort of, you know, referencing the game. Not the animal.
May 13 2009 11:44 AM EDT
I still do not get it.
But I have been the sharpest tack in the box.
May 13 2009 11:46 AM EDT
May 13 2009 11:47 AM EDT
Call me crazy, but I don't want to rent an AoJ, why would someone buy one just to rent it out?! I can't name it that way if I wanted to. I voted AoJ and will next week.
May 13 2009 11:48 AM EDT
So back to the BMVG:
I guess then after the AoJ spawns we go after the SoD as it has the next highest votes, then the BoM, then a pair of SB?
And those that need familiars should just sit and wait till all those spawn? As they do have more votes than any familiar right now?
That is madness.
What about actually asking the community what they want? Instead of again being a blind lemming.
May 13 2009 11:51 AM EDT
I understand Meso.
However what does more good for the community as a whole?
1 more AoJ when there are a few in rentals?
Or more familiars when there are plenty of FS posts urgently seeking one out?
Have you tried posting an attempt to buy an AoJ?
I agree with Ranger. (My mantra in life).
We should have a "BMVG Discussion Thread", everyone once in a while.
Presto! Problem solved! Now onto the economy...
May 13 2009 12:00 PM EDT
And let me yet again state:
I would like a SF. However, I did not vote for a SF or ask people to vote for one.
I voted for a HF, and next time will vote for a RBF or HF or RoS if that is what is needed more.
This is not about me, or what I personally want/need. It is about what is good for the community and I see the need for more base tattoos, moreso than another AoJ or SoD.
If you disagree with me, great. But do not attack me personally for it.
If you want to have a poll, outstanding.
May 13 2009 12:06 PM EDT
Just to chime in on this. I am sorry but the base tattoo's are for strat changes... but in the case of an AoJ that is a strat maker. Before the change to make junction an amulet a person could have had the strat forever and now can't make it work. I see those as being a big difference. I got my AoJ but I understand how people that are wanting one don't want to rent forever. So in their mind getting an item that is NEEDED to make their strat work is a bit more important than getting base tattoo's to try a new strat .. Just personally I think those can wait since your current set up still works as opposed to a person needing an AoJ to make theirs work at all. Just my opinion, but I think I will start using my votes again and as long as people continue to need an AoJ will vote for them, until I see people getting them just to rent them more.
May 13 2009 12:20 PM EDT
"but in the case of an AoJ that is a strat maker."
Spot on Sox.
May 13 2009 12:29 PM EDT
And the reason I didn't post a WTB AoJ is because of the Black Market votes so I can get it from the auctioneer instead of from people who bought them just for sheer profit. Granted the person who bought it when I was bidding it is using the amulet, but the point is I don't want to buy it/rent it from the money-mongers. =P
May 13 2009 12:34 PM EDT
Then we as a community need to agree on spawning nothing other than AoJ's until everyone that wants one needs one.
May 13 2009 12:39 PM EDT
Eh, there will never be a resolution. As long as people want one, they will vote for them, if others want to vote to spawn them as well, they will. If not, vote for what you want. Demand right now is favoring one or two items (from what I have read in this thread) and unfortunately it's not familiars at this point.
May 13 2009 12:41 PM EDT
I do think there is a nice demand for familiars. At least from what I have seen in the FS threads.
There are currently 1149 'Greater' Familiars in CB.
There are currently 75 AoJ to allow those to be junctioned.
That means 6.5% of all the familiars in the game can currently be used to the best of thier ability.
Amulet of Junction 38 96 60.4%
Amulet of Junction 41 96 57.3%
May 17 2009 1:13 PM EDT
Amulet of Junction 42 96 56.2%
Amulet of Junction 57 96 40.6%
Amulet of Junction 59 96 38.5%
May 20 2009 9:29 PM EDT
Amulet of Junction 64 96 33.3%
Amulet of Junction 66 96 31.2%
May 21 2009 10:47 PM EDT
Amulet of Junction 69 96 28.1%
Amulet of Junction 74 96 22.9%
May 22 2009 2:52 PM EDT
What is up next after the AoJ?
May 22 2009 3:31 PM EDT
Looks like Hal or BoM judging by the non AoJ votes :)
Amulet of Junction 78 96 18.8%
I am all good for more AoJ if it will stop people whining.
May 23 2009 4:39 AM EDT
Amulet of Junction 55 96 5.76%
wait we're all just making up random numbers after 'amulet of junction' right?
Amulet of Junction 81 96 15.6%
Untouchable, please stop posting misleading, and often random, posts in my threads.
AoJ is currently at 84 Votes. Almost done guys and then we'll get onto the Hal.
Amulet of Junction 86 96 10.4%
I only post the amount of votes and votes needed as it's more useful than saying "BUMP" every time I want the BMVG to be at the top of the forum list for exposure.
Amulet of Junction 87 96 9.4%
Amulet of Junction 94 96 2.1%
I'd like to suggest spawning two Hals, one after the other. Why? Well, there's certainly no self-interest in this, since I really don't need a Hal.
Rather, the number of votes to spawn a Hal is half of the number we normally consider to be realistic, so realistically, we should spawn two.
What do you lot think?
Yea!!! my vote was the vote that spawned the AoJ!
I'll post up a new BMVG, with my idea repeated.
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