TOE is great. (in General)


Little Anthony June 4 2009 11:32 PM EDT

With a mere 39Mil NW in AC set, a bare 600k HP, and 0.52 Endurance from TOE we have against a huge Bow of Ranger (or Vectoidz) and the result is amazing:

Hal shot Alive [137068]
Eat absorbs damage [137068]
Hal shot Alive [112267]
Eat absorbs damage [112267]
Dog hit Alive with The Lunatic [448579]
Eat absorbs damage [448579]
Dog shot Alive with The Lunatic [299752]
Eat absorbs damage [299752]

P.S: I know Vectoidz's bow is huge

iBananco [Blue Army] June 4 2009 11:34 PM EDT

The problem with the ToE has never been that it sucks at blocking damage. It's that you're using your tattoo slot to counter just one type of damage.

Little Anthony June 4 2009 11:35 PM EDT

Against Vectoidz;
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [260437]
Eat absorbs damage [260437]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [436792]
Eat absorbs damage [436792]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [277126]
Eat absorbs damage [277126]
Eat regenerated 177,478 HP

Eat undershot Hot
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [355582]
Eat absorbs damage [355582]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [442353]
Eat absorbs damage [442353]
Super hit Little Anthony [213]
Eat absorbs damage [213]
Eat regenerated 177,478 HP

Eat's shot went wide of Hot
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [443473]
Eat absorbs damage [443473]
Hot hit Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [433131]
Eat absorbs damage [433131]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [357456]
Eat absorbs damage [357456]
Super hit Little Anthony [225]
Eat absorbs damage [225]
Eat regenerated 177,478 HP

Eat undershot Hot
Hot hit Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [310405]
Eat absorbs damage [310405]
Hot hit Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [414858]
Eat absorbs damage [414858]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [268412]
Eat absorbs damage [268412]
Hot hit Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [278136]
Eat absorbs damage [278136]
Super shot Little Anthony [156]
Eat absorbs damage [156]
Super hit Little Anthony [288]
Eat absorbs damage [288]
Eat regenerated 177,478 HP

Eat's shot flew past Hot
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [315651]
Eat absorbs damage [315651]
Hot hit Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [414703]
Eat absorbs damage [414703]
Hot hit Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [276961]
Eat absorbs damage [276961]
Super shot Little Anthony [137]
Eat absorbs damage [137]
Eat regenerated 177,478 HP

Little Anthony touches Hot [2029569]
Dog absorbs damage [10931]
Eat's shot ricocheted near Hot
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [381831]
Eat absorbs damage [381831]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [389446]
Eat absorbs damage [389446]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [314353]
Eat absorbs damage [314353]
Hot shot Alive with DMON BOW OF POWER [341281]
Eat absorbs damage [341281]
Super shot Little Anthony [291]
Eat absorbs damage [291]
Super shot Little Anthony [268]
Eat absorbs damage [268]
Eat regenerated 177,478 HP

three4thsforsaken June 4 2009 11:46 PM EDT

I actually considered using a ToE/ wall not too long ago. With about 330 AC and no SS you are looking at over 80% damage reduction. With SS it goes to about 90%.

Beating tanks have never been so easy :D.

Now if you want to do something interesting, try putting an SoC instead of an MS on the wall. You'll lose only a few percent reduction but suddenly you have a damage dealer! Put on BL and it's all fun an games. (obviously you will have trouble hitting people, but it'll help against teams with kill slots with a ton of HP...like novice!)

Dark Dreky June 4 2009 11:46 PM EDT

/me starts a slow clap.

[P]Mitt June 4 2009 11:52 PM EDT

I've always been a supporter of the ToE.

My reason for supporting it is in a post here.

Untouchable June 5 2009 1:02 AM EDT

rofl Dreky

Untouchable June 5 2009 1:03 AM EDT

LOL i checked your Battle Log
everyone that used to own you is now losing

Gunny Pew Pew [Red Permanent Assurance] June 5 2009 1:11 AM EDT

/me joins the slow clap

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 5 2009 1:12 AM EDT

Wow, I think this is as clear a statement of the need for multiple damage types as any quote would have been. RIP tank as sole damage dealer.

AdminShade June 5 2009 1:18 AM EDT

/me joins the slow clap as well

Goodfish June 5 2009 1:57 AM EDT

Hooray, you can beat the most ignored minion type in CB.

Do you win a prize or something...?

Sarcasm aside- I fail to see the point. The ToE is quite good at what it does, certainly. But... when there are so few targets worth using a ToE against, I think that is evidence enough that the item could use at least a slight rework.

Plus, it is the only tattoo that suffers from STEEP diminishing returns in effectiveness as compared to its PR increase, which I believe is unfair.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 5 2009 2:08 AM EDT

Lets review here...

FTW beats Vectoidz and Heroes and you're saying that there aren't any good targets?

Goodfish June 5 2009 2:09 AM EDT

good=/=few.

QBRanger June 5 2009 8:35 AM EDT

For someone like FTW who has the highest MPR and tons of native hp and a HP wall the TOE is great.

/me joins the slow clap.

For anyone else who fights numerous different opponents, lowering 1 damage type is not that great.

Dark Dreky June 5 2009 9:32 AM EDT

/me slowly rises to start a standing ovation.

WOOT!

Yeah!!

Not much else I can do about this one, gotta give credit where credit is due. That is rather amazing damage reduction! Backed with PL... now there are two targets that will never be defeated by a physical damage dealing team.

QBRanger June 5 2009 9:34 AM EDT

LA is one, who is the other?

Dark Dreky June 5 2009 9:41 AM EDT

KoP?

QBRanger June 5 2009 9:44 AM EDT

KoP uses massive DBs.

He does not use a ToE, with enough PTH you can beat him.

I think it is impossible to beat LA with physical damage, as it likely should be with his setup and MPR.

However, this does not imply that we must have dual damage type characters. It is just that the ToE is very effective in doing what it is setup to do.

Especially combined with high AC, a TSA/PL HP wall and multiple minions.

Dark Dreky June 5 2009 9:48 AM EDT

"with enough PTH you can beat him."

And with enough 'x' on my bow I can beat LA. Both seem close to impossible.

QBRanger June 5 2009 9:48 AM EDT

Well yes,

However Mikel is not using the ToE.

Little Anthony June 5 2009 9:57 AM EDT

well , your average hits is about 300k per. I seriously doubt any "x" can help that. If I remember correctly this set up can be used with about 2.4mil MPR character equipping : 5mil HP , Decay, 2mil TOE, 34mil NW in AC wall, backed by PL.

QBOddBird June 5 2009 9:58 AM EDT

That's very impressive. :)

Granted, you could've just used an exbow.

QBRanger June 5 2009 10:18 AM EDT

It is indeed impressive that one only needs 600k hp to equip armors that unnamed give such damage reduction.

Then backed by a ToE and PL/TSA/HP minion.

Untouchable June 5 2009 10:19 AM EDT

Toe is suck

make enderance a skill!

Cube June 5 2009 10:23 AM EDT

Evasion adds to ENC at a 25% rate too.
600k HP will only let you equip half that armor.

Lefty June 5 2009 10:28 AM EDT

Is there a place where you can see what skills add what % to your encumbrance?

I'd like to see how much a DD spell and enchantments raise it compared to Skills and HP/DX/ST.

QBRanger June 5 2009 10:31 AM EDT

From Da Wiki:

ST and HP give 30 ENC for every level, UC 15, all other skills/spells 7.5. Dex gives 0 to ENC.

Colonel Custard [SeeD] June 5 2009 10:35 AM EDT

"With about 330 AC and no SS you are looking at over 80% damage reduction. With SS it goes to about 90%."

ToE grants undispellable SS. Hardcore.

QBRanger June 5 2009 10:36 AM EDT

But only on the minion wearing the ToE, not that hardcore.

Little Anthony June 5 2009 10:37 AM EDT

put TOE on my 6mil HP mage : SS = 25
on my 600k wall : SS= 15
on my 20hp E : SS= 15
Too Tiny.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 5 2009 6:08 PM EDT

My next char is definitely going to be using a ToE + Wall set. Sounds fun :)

three4thsforsaken June 5 2009 7:40 PM EDT

anti mage to anti tank? Nice Marl!

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 5 2009 7:41 PM EDT

Indeed. ;)

TheHatchetman June 5 2009 7:42 PM EDT

"RIP tank as sole damage dealer. "

There's another item that is alot easier to work into a team that accomplished this long ago :P

TheHatchetman June 5 2009 9:15 PM EDT

hehe... didn't see this :P

"That's very impressive. :)

Granted, you could've just used an exbow. "

Awesome :)
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