Do we need to up the fee for FS/WTB? (in General)


QBRanger June 9 2009 10:05 PM EDT

I mean like 2k is nothing now. I could bump my posts every 4 hours for a paltry 12k.

Perhaps we need to increase the fee to something more annoying, like 25k per post/bump.

That way we are not forced to compete with those bumping every 2-3 hours.

Little Anthony June 9 2009 10:07 PM EDT

i simply cannot afford that 25k I rather auction for 4 hours for much less than that.

QBRanger June 9 2009 10:09 PM EDT

Coming from the man who won the CB lottery twice?

You seriously could not afford 25k if you wanted to sell an item?

Little Anthony June 9 2009 10:10 PM EDT

but if i get a katana then i 'd lose money selling it :D

QBRanger June 9 2009 10:11 PM EDT

One never sells a base katana via FS.

They either go to auctions or get sold to the store.

AdminTitan June 9 2009 10:18 PM EDT

Mmmmm Wahm Burgers and French Cries. So tasty.

Godpanda June 9 2009 10:20 PM EDT

You want to up the fee for FS/WTB.... But get rid of the penalty to money....



No.

QBRanger June 9 2009 10:21 PM EDT

GW,

How do the 2 different circumstances relate to each other?

TrueDevil [AAA] June 9 2009 10:24 PM EDT

Why not just make a rule so that you can only bump once in 24 hours ?

Godpanda June 9 2009 10:30 PM EDT

Okay. Let me be fair then.


One really should think carefully about how fair it is to say that the cost of making a FS/WTB thread is too low (This would be an extra cash sink for players). But you're also saying that reducing the amount of money players have is unfair.....


Contradiction...

But, hey, let's use other grounds for why increasing the fee is bad.

1) Large scale sales can only be handled through FS/WTB and require multiple posts. Charging someone what could easily turn into 200-300k for a thread is silly.

2) How is this fair to players who aren't making these sort of threads often? Or players who can't just buy CB with USD? Random increase to a cash sink + 20% less money in one changemonth? I think not.

3) If someone wants to bump a friend 4 times a day for 12k, feel free. If you want to spend 4,380,000 a year on threads, feel free =D

QBRanger June 9 2009 10:41 PM EDT

First
The 2 idea have no interaction with each other. The 20% lowered cash rewards are needed given the fixed costs in the CB economy. Even though 20% seems not a lot, certainly less than 50%, it is the uncertainly of getting drops that is a huge problem when planning loans, upgrades to weapons, buying BA for a NCB.

This is a strategy type game and it is very difficult to play a strategy not knowing your positive cash flow.

Now to your points:

1) Ok, then how about a counter to my 25k and make it 10k instead. 25k was a number I just threw out there. You are right, perhaps it is too high. What about 10k?

2) If you do not make threads often, you do not pay a lot in fees. I think this is more a user tax instead of a CB lottery everyone is playing as it is now.

3) People do not bump every day. But there are some who bump every few hours when they are selling something. I try at least to be civil about things and give others a chance to have their items near the top of the forums. I know others do not care and bump their posts to the top for only 2k. But 2k is a pittance.

QBRanger June 9 2009 10:43 PM EDT

The 20% lowered cash rewards are needed given the fixed costs in the CB economy.

Should read:

The 20% lowered cash rewards are BAD given the fixed costs in the CB economy.

Godpanda June 9 2009 10:50 PM EDT

2k is an amount directed at how much they have. It will always be that way.

Seriously. If someone is selling 50 mil CB, nothing will be effective enough to stop them from posting when they want. And if they're selling something small, any larger amount would cut much more harshly into their profit.

Eh. Whatever. I think the price is fine. I don't see any reason to increase it (Because, remember, while you're penalizing the people who are rude and post to get to their's to the top, you penalize the people who refresh every 12 hours or so as is fair ; )

QBRanger June 9 2009 10:53 PM EDT

2k was the amount from the very beginning of CB.

There is a lot more money in the game now.

So should the fee have not rise already?

Or was 2k an arbitrary amount that never changed since people were never really aggressively bumping their posts until recently.

Godpanda June 9 2009 11:00 PM EDT

The highest amount of bumps in a FS/WTB post right now is 8 and that's from a huge sale.

The next highest is 4.

Yeah, crazy aggressive. Lay off the 'roids, guise and gallz.

QBRanger June 9 2009 11:10 PM EDT

3 in 8 hours seems a bit aggressive to me.

And stop being condescending as you are in chat. I made a proposal. If you do not like it, fine.

No need to START insulting me. As you like to do in chat so often.

Burton June 9 2009 11:12 PM EDT

Perhaps remove the fee and set a set time limit for bumping rules.
Perhaps every 8 hours?

Demigod June 9 2009 11:18 PM EDT

Coding time limits into bumps could be a problem if someone needs to correct mistakes or update bids.

I just don't get why there's a negligible fee. Was there a previous problem with too many FS/WTB ads for items that aren't worth the 2k fee? Moreover, is there a reason to increase it now? The motivation for increasing it would be to limit useless ads that aren't worth the cost of the fee. There really aren't any spam ads up right now.

If the fees will go to TP, then fine, increase it to 10K. However, leave it at 2k for those in the new-player realm.

Godpanda June 9 2009 11:25 PM EDT

I insulted you? My bad.

kevlar June 9 2009 11:32 PM EDT

... with the hit with the rewards, the 2k is actually worth more than before.

So this thread has already been quelled.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 June 9 2009 11:33 PM EDT

Nothing goes to TP except for items and cash from banned players.

The fee is in place because once upon a time a few people ruined FS/WTB and Jon thus laid the nerf hammer unto FS/WTB, and to add insult to injury, gave us a fee.

QBRanger June 9 2009 11:42 PM EDT

How is 2k a nerf hammer?

Cube June 10 2009 12:21 AM EDT

As I learned from me ranting on AoD. Wait until there is a problem, then complain about it. http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic_id=2 The only post there with 8 replies is Marlfox who is selling all his items.

AdminShade June 10 2009 1:09 AM EDT

people shouldn't bump all of their FS/WTB threads too often. When that happens, it's not bumping anymore but spam and admins still fine for spam afaik.

let me know if you think someone spams forum (can be done anonymously ;p)

Flamey June 10 2009 1:17 AM EDT

It used to be 5k and you couldn't reply.

A bump limit is fine, however people would try to avoid it. Some people with large sales get a few bids per hour.

AdminShade June 10 2009 1:17 AM EDT

otherwise a raise from 2k to 5k perhaps will be a start?

AdminNightStrike June 10 2009 1:56 AM EDT

FWIW, anything that encourages the use of auctions over threads is a Good Thing.

Godpanda June 10 2009 3:55 AM EDT

Really, NS?

Lower the AH fee and give player's their own stores for long term selling. I know that would make some of the econ players ecstatic. Could also get a new forge system with that (Forge something in someone else's inventory. Hooray.)


Probably impossible. But if you want to sell more than one or two things at once, FS/WTB is the only real system to use right now.

Flamey June 10 2009 8:35 AM EDT

personal stores!?

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 10 2009 8:40 AM EDT

Which, I'd like to point out, I never bumped, but posted updates on items that were being bid on. One or two frivolous posts, however.
Anyway, I don't see this being too big of a necessity right now. But, can't hurt, really.

00 June 10 2009 10:12 AM EDT

i think that this would have absolutely no benefit to the game.

BHT June 10 2009 1:16 PM EDT

Ranger-You complain about the income being reduced, now you want to raise fees to post? I don't get that logic.

Also, personal stores would be awesome!! Jon should seriously think about that, it would make this game way cool. Look at Kingdom of Loathing, every player can have there own store and display case to show off there items, or hold unused items. There store they can set any prices for any item.

AdminShade June 10 2009 1:25 PM EDT

personal stores are too sensitive for scams. I would highly vote against them.
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