Congrats Mandos!!! (in Off-topic)

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1/2 my MPR, 1/2 my NW.

A truly awesome strategical win.

Nice to see this possible giving all those with low MPR a chance to beat one of the top characters using one of the most expensive bows.

Dreams do come true, it can happen to you!!!!

Now can anyone show me this happening to a mage character?

Let me guess? Exbow? God this is going the same way evasion went. And you all know how that ended.

And we all know the key thing that had to happen before evasion got fixed.

yup time to leave CB again

Thats awesome yet cheap. Don't know whether to applaud or boo.

" And we all know the key thing that had to happen before evasion got fixed."

if you are so sure that your leaving was the reason evasion was fixed, you and only you are at fault for the specialty crossbows staying in the game as they are. all of your posts demanding it being fixed must be some kind of inner dialog that chronicles the struggle between staying and railing or leaving cb so that it can be saved.

accept martyrdom! only through your sacrifice can great suffering be avoided for all players that have ever been or will be. a little self-flagellation wouldn't hurt things either! ; )

Yes dude,

Me leaving with evasion being fixed after almost a year had absolutely no temporal relationship.

And then you wake up out of this dream you have.

Sad to see you go Ranger, may you return to play again.

while i have never denied a temporal relationship, correlation does not imply causation. i am just teasing you though ranger, this would all be more humorous for those of us that do not remember todd! ; )

sigh, Todd...
sigh, Todd-Spydah...
sigh, CB1
But thats all in the past, its all good now, go with the flow.

No, Evasion was actually changed because I switched from briefs to boxers at that time.

Every major change in CB, both 1 and 2, has been due to modifying the mode of my undies, I assure you. I know this to be true, and it cannot be disputed. I am in control of all change here in the land of Carnage Blender.

Sorry guys it is really hard to clean this up on my phone as it takes forever.....lol

I applaud Mandos and BOO the ExBow(& AxBow since it functions in the same way.)

FuerGrissa ost Drauka
vs
The Legend of Jiraiya


FuerGrissa ost Drauka defeated The Legend of Jiraiya (Band of Wookies) after 7 rounds of combat

Post-battle stats

Richard Rahl

Hit Points 2,000,000
Strength 6,445,452
Dexterity 3,273,804

Damage Inflicted 22,865,917


Play-by-play

FuerGrissa ost Drauka
Richard Rahl cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (2,101,675)

The Legend of Jiraiya
7128891 found no valid targets on which to cast Antimagic Field

Ranged Combat
Richard Rahl skewered 7128891 with Chainfire of Truth [1596230]
Richard Rahl skewered 7128891 with Chainfire of Truth [1313991]
Richard Rahl skewered 7128891 with Chainfire of Truth [1180002]
Richard Rahl cries "In the End Truth is All!!" Hal undershot Richard Rahl

Dave's shot flew past Richard Rahl
6350294's shot ricocheted near Richard Rahl
R.I.P. 7128891

Richard Rahl struck deep into Hal with Chainfire of Truth [1719973]
Richard Rahl skewered Hal with Chainfire of Truth [1527483]
Richard Rahl struck deep into Hal with Chainfire of Truth [1596213]
Richard Rahl cries "In the End Truth is All!!" Hal shot Richard Rahl [343173]

Dave's shot flew past Richard Rahl
6350294's shot went wide of Richard Rahl
R.I.P. Hal

Richard Rahl shot Dave with Chainfire of Truth [1407689]
6350294 absorbs damage [209982]
Richard Rahl hit Dave with Chainfire of Truth [1072403]
6350294 absorbs damage [209982]
Richard Rahl hit Dave with Chainfire of Truth [866525]
6350294 absorbs damage [209982]

Dave's shot flew past Richard Rahl
6350294 undershot Richard Rahl
Dave regenerated 90,000 HP

Richard Rahl struck deep into Dave with Chainfire of Truth [1115933]
Richard Rahl struck deep into Dave with Chainfire of Truth [1461661]
Richard Rahl struck deep into Dave with Chainfire of Truth [1335293]
Richard Rahl cries "In the End Truth is All!!"

Dave's shot went wide of Richard Rahl
6350294 undershot Richard Rahl
Dave regenerated 90,000 HP
R.I.P. Dave

Richard Rahl hit 6350294 with Chainfire of Truth [878607]
Richard Rahl shot 6350294 with Chainfire of Truth [725063]
Richard Rahl shot 6350294 with Chainfire of Truth [817435]

6350294's shot ricocheted near Richard Rahl

Richard Rahl skewered 6350294 with Chainfire of Truth [951994]
Richard Rahl struck deep into 6350294 with Chainfire of Truth [1145620]
Richard Rahl struck deep into 6350294 with Chainfire of Truth [727737]
Richard Rahl cries "In the End Truth is All!!" 6350294's Decay hit Richard Rahl [960959]
R.I.P. 6350294

Melee Combat
Richard Rahl eviscerated 7269082 with The Sword of Truth [539072]
Richard Rahl eviscerated 7269082 with The Sword of Truth [519636]
Richard Rahl decapitated 7269082 with The Sword of Truth [367357]
Richard Rahl cries "In the End Truth is All!!" 7269082's Decay hit Richard Rahl [347934]
R.I.P. 7269082

They way I see it is simple it is a matter of Strat, and also a matter of time and CBD for Mandos/Jiraiya to beat me as well. :-/

=)

Ranger it's nothing personal, your character is a 100% bonus target, I get over 4,000 XP a fight vs you, compared to 2000+ from most other targets.

Yeah the xbow is broken. I know, and when the time comes for it to be fixed, you won't hear a single whine from me.

Zenai,

Just to give everyone else full disclosure, your DBs are the 7th biggest in the entire game at +170. They're HUGE. :)

I don't really understand why you're so upset Ranger...

Attacked by 5 opponents
Attacker Won Lost Drew SM Win Pct Avg. Rds Last Fight
The Legend of Jiraiya (F) (+) 25 3 0 13 60.98 23.7 10:05 AM EDT
Tord (F) (+) 1 2 0 0 33.33 3.7 8:36 AM EDT
Lord of Wars (F) (+) 0 1 0 0 0.00 2.0 2:25 AM EDT
Konoha's Finest (F) (+) 4 2 0 0 66.67 5.7 Jul 5
Storm Clash (F) (+) 0 1 0 0 0.00 2.0 Jul 5
Totals: 30 9 0 13 57.69


Is it a pride thing? Are you so upset that someone is now beating you? (Not even now, because of your DBS). So are you really so upset that I'm "forcing" you to equip Dbs that you're going to leave?

Honestly, I get farmed 600+ fights a day, if you're really upset about 25 wins @ 60%, you NEED to take a break man, it's not the end of the world.

If anything you should feel honored I'm beating you, I'm a pretty amazing rock awesome person.

Mandos.

The exbow will never be fixed.

Not as long as one of the owners of the game uses it.

It has been over 2 years and nothing. I have lost the fun about playing when some things are just too broken.

Grats on using an abusive item to get a 100% challenge bonus.

Mandos,

It is not about you.

It is about such an abusive item sucking the fun out of the game.

Sure, I can equip DBs. Then you can up the exbow to +200 or higher forcing me to spend more NW on my DBs.

No other option. Not while I have to learn archery just to use my 250M NW Elb properly.

Not when money now is even less common with the incredibly stupid drop system.

So my options are to see a 50M NW weapon on a 1k strengh minion destroy my entire character unless I pump more and more NW into my DBs.

No thank you. Enough is enough. If Jon and NS cannot see how stupid and unbalance this item is, fine. But for me enough is enough.

And FYI, I am not alone. I get CMs all the time from people who have had enough of this stupid stupid item.

Lets take a step back for a minute.

The exbow has worked the same way for years, and has forced teams with tank only damage to wear defensive equipment to protect against the power of the exbow. This isn't new, or broken per say. Any more than decay or the RoS is broken. They're exceptionally specialized and are designed as counters to a particular setup (often a very powerful setup in itself).

No need to get snippy about it, and accusations of bias in balancing are just unhelpful. You're just baiting NS into nerfing it to prove he's not biased, that's pretty damn weak.

You have a counter, it works... why the hell are you still yelling?

Amazing or not, when it comes to being able to have massive rewards based on one, flawed item, that affects just about every aspect of the game. It skews the new user and new character bonuses, skews clan results, and skews the score ladder.

Usually, that level of fundamental warping is considered an immediate problem/bug.

But not this issue. Weird.

ranger...do you have any idea what Jir PAID for that abusive item. Not 60% NW or 70% not even 80% but well past that. I think he deserves the temporary right to beat you after spending that much money on an item as big of nerf bait as the exbow. And honestly you being forced to wear DB's is part of the game bud. For each strat there is a counter strat so I don't really see what you're so upset about.

I agree with you that the exbow needs fixing though.

Novice,

You just do not get it.

yes, it has been broken for 2 years. But now we are finally seeing what I predicted years ago.

Low strength minor minions using such a broken item to beat characters they should be able to.

How is decay or the RoS like the exbow?

There are many ways around decay or the RoS.

There are 2 for the exbow. Evasion or DBs. And archers, who HAVE to use their skill slot for archery JUST to be able to use their bow properly only have DBs.

So we get to the ultimate USD battle. + on the exbow vs + on the DBs.

Forget that garbage.

Perhaps if you did not base a lot of your strategy on this item, you would see how skewed it really is.

novice, you yourself have called the way the exbow works as "silly" (maybe even "damned silly", I can't recall).

But then you compare it to Decay? No. Decay is specialized, indeed, but comparing Decay to the way the exbow works is a reach of epic (fail) proportions.

Ranger has never asked that the exbow be nerfed to oblivion, and has even said that after changing it, NS's exbow should remain relatively uber.

How is that lame?

Sorry you feel so strongly. Is the extra dex from wearing EBs such a big deal that it effects the amount of fun you have?

I honestly think you're over-reacting. Is it broken? Yes. Will it be fixed? Possibly not. Do you have more fun in this game by wearing EBs over DBs? Seems so...

You really mean to tell me your happiness factor is dependent on a single item slot??

If you're leaving that's fine, but don't try to tell me you're leaving because I beat you 25 times, or that you're leaving because if you don't wear DBs a lower mpr character can beat you. That's a garbage reason to throw in the towel.

Mandos states:

I honestly think you're over-reacting. Is it broken? Yes. Will it be fixed? Possibly not. Do you have more fun in this game by wearing EBs over DBs? Seems so...

I better fix that:

I honestly think you're over-reacting. Is it broken? Yes. Will it be fixed? Possibly Probably not. Do you have more fun in this game by wearing EBs over DBs? Seems so...

My happiness is playing a fun balanced game.

Imagine WoW with 1 item useable by a level 20 character being able to beat a level 80 character unless they use a certain other item.

No magic level vs magic level. Or strength vs AC. Just 1 item upgraded vs another item upgraded in the win or lose scenario.

This is Finger of Death all over again for tanks.

+ on the exbow vs + on the DBs.

You are not the first to have done this Mandos, and I am very afraid you will not be the last.

I have pointed his scenario out years ago. LA abused that exact same exbow a few months ago.

I would have hoped the powers that be realized what was coming. But they do not and will not change it. Not while one of them uses it.

And my solution does nothing to completely nerf NSs exbow. Just try to make it balance.

How in the living hell is a 50M NW weapon on a 1k strength minion nerfing a tank 2x your MPR balanced? How the freaking hell???

As for a USD battle, I think you're relatively safe, I'm not in a position to dump another 60 million on the bow just to have a 50/50 shot against your DBS.

It's not balanced, and I have never once made that claim. I just don't see it as a reason to quit. You've worked hard for your character's position. I know you have.

Even if 5 people dumped 50-100m into the xbow just to beat you, it still wouldn't be reason to quit.

That's not the case, and DBs are not the only counter. an EC of 2000 would render the xbow completely useless.

Saying it will never be fixed because NightStrike uses it is lame.
Constantly bitching like someone kicked your dog is lame...

At this point I'd love to see it rebalanced (mostly so it's not hit 4k and stop upgrading) and never have to hear Ranger whine again.
I realize I set the example for his current campaign when I bitched for six months until archery was fixed... but even at my worst I never accused anyone of bias.

"As for a USD battle, I think you're relatively safe, I'm not in a position to dump another 60 million on the bow just to have a 50/50 shot against your DBS."

Whether you have it or not has no bearing on imbalance of the object in question. You personally might not be able to keep up, but who says the next person that comes along to abuse it might have the $ to keep up?

Ranger you forget something...you are running the strat that produces the highest damage in the shortest number of rounds. And you can only do this by using USD. Do you see mage characters complaining that they are being beaten by an arguably simple character simply because you use the UNBALANCED USD funded NW in your items. NO you don't. Mages have no chance to boost their power like you have done to yours. They are forced to use complex strategies and appropriate uses for NW.

You can't complain that your USD investment is being annulled by another user who has pumped USD into their items.


If you want to talk imbalanced then look in the mirror Ranger. If you spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade your weapons that gives you a huge advantage over a strategy where they cannot dupl,icate that effect.

"Saying it will never be fixed because NightStrike uses it is lame.
Constantly bitching like someone kicked your dog is lame... "

If I recall correctly, you have done your fair share of bitching in this game over time. Pot meet kettle.

The pot being black doesn't make the kettle any less black.

I bitch, constantly... I get in NightStrike's face when I don't like a change (and have to apologize afterwards) but I don't publicly accuse someone of bias in balancing in an attempt to force their hand to prove they aren't.

"I bitch, constantly... I get in NightStrike's face when I don't like a change (and have to apologize afterwards) but I don't publicly accuse someone of bias in balancing in an attempt to force their hand to prove they aren't."

Nothing else has worked thus far. So why not call him out?

"+ on the exbow vs + on the DBs."

You're not entitled to win every fight, and no one is forcing you to upgrade your DBs. If someone wants to upgrade their Xbow farther than your DBs you still have options. Sure you can upgrade your DBs, or you can train EC, or you can step back and realize that it's still just one person beating you 60-70% of the time.

It's not the end of the world.
It's not worth quitting over.

novice, you state "I realize I set the example for his current campaign when I bitched for six months until archery was fixed... but even at my worst I never accused anyone of bias."

Couldn't that be because never before in the history of CB has a high-profile, foundational developer of the game actively played at the higher levels of the score ladder? Nightstrike is the first example of such a phenomenon. Jonathan has never actively played (heh, expostfacto!), and no one else has ever done as much development on the game or been considered a co-owner like NS.

I suppose you'll color me "lame" for pointing that out?

So... No one is going to say anything?


Like... About how Ranger has a 3.7 mil character at the same place in the standings as a 4.7 mil character?


The only thing stopping the Halidon from facerolling itself into top tattoo spot is the ex/axbow. Let's not all sit around screaming nerf when, without the *xbows around, we all know tanks would dominate (Halidons count as tanks.)

Let's also not say anything about the fact Ranger has nearly 600 mil NW crammed on to two minions. That's balanced and fine. Jeesh.


Don't get me wrong. I think the *xbows are absolutely stupid. But the mindless, mind numbing complaining has gotten old. Especially from the USD users.

Jir has a point. A huge one. Most players actually play real carnageblender. Everything over top 20 isn't realistic anymore. Too much NW, too high of MPR compared to everyone else. I laugh when I read balance threads from players who haven't changed their fight list in months.

I have much respect for Ranger and what he's done. But this isn't a "Please change an unbslanced item." It's a "I WANT ATTENTION NOW. RIGHT NOW. OR I'LL JUMP OFF THIS ROOF. ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Honestly, I'm.... Ahh. Who cares. Y'all have fun with this. For the record, I'd rather the devs never change the item then have some of you all feeling like the center of the universe and trying to make it seem like changes were because of you. You're all better than that.

Or you're not. *shrug*

sutekh, you bring up an interesting point about developers playing the game.

Personally, I really like that. It gives him a viewpoint of the game that Jonathan never had. The only difficulty is the one we see here - when something being used by such a developer is considered overpowered, if changes are not forthcoming then bias will be considered as a reason.

So as a solution, should Nightstrike be forced to use the weakest strategies in the game in his competitive play to prove a lack of bias? ;)



and Ranger, you know quite well that your absence had absolutely nothing to do with Evasion being fixed. Hell, they've told you so themselves when you claimed that in Chat. If you wanna claim some credit for a change, wait until some is given to you!

And when every character has a 30M NW exbow crammed on an enchanter, is that good for things?

It will happen you realize.

But when a developer refuses to engage in conversation regarding an item they personally use or even attempt to explain why it remains broken, I cannot help but think nothing will ever change.

And why spend time on something like CB that can be so freaking good, but seems so broken.

So, I leave, and the rest can have a game free from my rants about wanting balance. Or not.

IT won't happen.

Not all of us have 30 mil to spare for a gimmicky weapon =D

Actually, if we wanted to really kill tanks from the game, I'm pretty sure the majority of CB could do some NW conversion and pull that off. 30M is a lot, but at the same time, it's not a lot.

The above example assumes everyone could get their hands on an exbow.

You know before i read further i thought you were being nice ranger and complimenting a newer player. Apparently not. There are strats, and items i can't beat.

For the record i beat Jiraiya and lose to you Ranger.

I don't think you needed to call Mandos out, you say its not about him, are you sure? I think the name of the thread may confuse that matter a little.

GW is spot on. All the complaining about exbows comes from players who feel that their huge USD investment into a ELB should make them unbeatable. Without the exbow there are very few direct counters to a HAL/ELB team especially one that is USD boosted. The exbow serves as a great balancing tool to keep ELB tanks from dominating the top.

ES,

It is not about Mandos.

It is about something that is so obviously broken and wrong for the game for over 2 years that is now finally getting the abuse factor ratchetted up manyfold.

If the elb or HF are too powerful, then lower their damage or lower the PTH of the HF.

But this exbow is just pure crap.

Fatil1ty - because you consider one item overpowered, another item should be overpowered to balance it? You do know the Exbow affects more than just the ELB and Hal, right? It's an OBVIOUSLY overpowered item. Nobody argues that.

What the thread is REALLY about is

1) it hasn't been fixed
2) NS uses it
3) It makes Ranger have whiny fits

And Fatility.

So you think it is right for a 1.8M MPR character to beat a 3.7M MPR one using a exbow on an enchanter?

You truly believe that is good for the long term health of CB?

You really do not understand the game that well?

Ranger...I could beat FTW, Single minion, and you as a 3M MPR character with half the NW of those teams. Is that fair. Hell yes!!! I made strategies that allowed me take advantage of their weaknesses. This game is not about a 3.7M player beating another. It is about creating characters that can beat those high above you but lose to those below you. Every strat has a strength and weakness. Regardless of NW or MPR.

My character is a good example but Lighting raiders GOD is a great example. He got beat by mages half his size but crushed tanks double his size because he used an exbow.

Oh Ranger, in response to your comment about WoW. You are misinformed.

I've played WoW since beta, and I'll be the first to tell you about the lack of balance. Only recently (the last year and a half or so) has the game's balance even been close.

The leading developer plays a Rogue and a Pally, and for 6 years both rogues and pallies were completely out of sync.

YouTube search "Reckoning Bomb" for example... There have been THOUSANDS of instances throughout that game's lifetime where something has been completely imbalanced to the point of korean kids kicking over their computers, and nothing is done about it until it gets "too extreme..."

Reckoning Bomb was broken for a long time, and everyone complained, whined, pointed it out, and nothing was done until someone took it to the next level and soloed a world boss with it. It's just the way these things work.

Pallies are still over powered, and will always be overpowered. A lvl 20 pally CAN and WILL neutralize a lvl 80 fully tiered character, it's called bubble. (I've never lowered myself to playing a pally so I don't know if they have bubble by 20, but I would think so).

I don't want this to be too long winded, but comparing the xbow situation to WoW is as easy as comparing 2 years of whining to 6. 6 years of whining to get Rogues nerfed, pallies nerfed. (Don't even get me started on warlocks.... not quite as long of a reign as pally/rogue, but for a decent while all a warlock had to do to kill you was roll their head across a their keyboard... *sigh*...

I'm just going to stop, I remember every single injustice that game had to offer for a long long time. Need I start talking about BC druids? :S (I won't even start to talk about how damn overpowered Deathknights are now, and that's only because I don't play WoTLK.)

I never played WoW.

i was using it as an example.

So i am wrong yet again.

I remember when I had a 1.2M character using a Large Sod with x-shot. I was beating characters way up the ladder. That got a "prompt nerf"!! No bias on this one? Come on.

I really doubt NS is being biased. Really, really doubt it. Like.... REALLY doubt it.

The sooner the exbow/axbows are deleted... the better. I'm not sure they add anything to the game, apart from bugs. Fix them or delete them.

Shade, you like putting polls up... make a poll on this and see what the community really wants. No stupid options like 'Whats an exbow'.

I agree with 100% with Wasp.
Time for a serious poll. :)

A poll in this instance will not matter.

Jon has made it crystal clear he is against changing the exbow or fixing it.

He also made it clear he will not enact a rolling bonus due to the thought it promotes laziness.

It is his decision to make, I do respect that. But I disagree with it 100% and therefore why spend time playing a game that had so much potential.

If I was alone in my wanting the exbow balanced or wanting a rolling bonus then I could accept being wrong. But it does seem most of the community believes fixing these things would make CB a much better place.

But why continue to play when more and more enchanters with exbows pop up. And I have to spend more and more cb on my DBs to try to keep up with an item that basically kills my character in 1 hit.

Instead of fixing those things leading up to why the exbow may be needed, keep the most broken item in the game.

This is not a slam on Mandos, he is using what is given to grow his character. But this is a wave of the future.

And to those that believe I want the exbow nerfed just to help my own character out, shame on you.

I railed just as hard about the VB, a weapon I personally used, to eventually show how overpowered it was. And when it was eventually nerfed, I lost 50+M on it.

As another post:

I have accused NS of being resistant to fixing the exbow due to the fact he uses one. I have learned that he is not involved with the balance of the game, but more of a bugfix type of action.

I sincerely apologize to him for any accusations made with respect to the exbow. They were wrong and unwarranted.

If you're going to leave, hurry up and leave. See you in a month or two

Neo,

I will leave on my schedule and certainly not due to yours.

I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread. The whole "I'm not letting the exbow change because I use it" is really rather depressing. Thank you for your support, GW. I am also glad that Ranger did retract his statements.