Let us band together please. (in General)


QBRanger October 9 2009 11:29 AM EDT

And not buy from yet another NUB sellout:

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002tXZ

AdminNightStrike October 9 2009 11:39 AM EDT

Wow.. June first, if I read that correctly. That's just a little bit over three months. He still has half his bonus period left! This kind of thing is definitely annoying, I will grant you that. And I'm glad to see you trying to deal with this from a community standpoint.

AdminTitan October 9 2009 11:47 AM EDT

Well, when I finally buy something with USD, it won't be from him.

QBRanger October 9 2009 4:15 PM EDT

bump

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- October 9 2009 5:00 PM EDT

Signed.

ceslis October 9 2009 5:19 PM EDT

signed

Chaos Griever October 9 2009 5:23 PM EDT

I used to be a NUB once... I know selling out not a great thing. But what if he needed the money? I would love to heckle the next sell out. But is a NUB selling out REALLY an problem? Maybe I'm clouded and cannot see what the community sees since I have new here.. but. I guess I'm trying to defend a lost cause with these NUBS. Thanks for your time.

Levon [Clocked Out] October 9 2009 5:41 PM EDT

i believe ethically that you shouldn't be pulling money out of the game.. the difference between a NUB and a long-playing veteran selling things for USD is that the NUB probably hasn't donated any money to the game (perhaps the supportership if anything), but the veterans have at least over the years named a bunch of items for fun and support

if i could start any rule of thumb i would say that you shouldn't be pulling more money out of the game than you've donated..

{cb2}Dinh October 9 2009 8:12 PM EDT

signed...

Zenai October 9 2009 8:55 PM EDT

I have always been an advocate for a "Free Market" in CB. At times I have fought almost violently to protect it (in my eyes) because when you take options away you lose everything in the end. However there are things that are just not right, giving up your NUB in the middle of it should have a good reason. I do not see one here. No explanation, no back story, no nothing just a for sale thread. I cannot stand by and advocate something like this to "Protect" the Free Market System it is just not worth it.


Signed.

Admiralkiller October 9 2009 9:07 PM EDT

Signed.

kevlar October 9 2009 9:23 PM EDT

I remember the attempt to try and sell out about a month ago, and everyone did a dang good job not buying then.

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002s0l

TheHatchetman October 9 2009 9:44 PM EDT

"However there are things that are just not right, giving up your NUB in the middle of it should have a good reason. I do not see one here. No explanation, no back story, no nothing just a for sale thread."

Even with a reason and a backstory, there's no reason the NUB should be used as a selling bonus. there's currently a what? 420% bonus going? That's to help people catch up, not to help people boost their bank accounts.

Signed and stamped,

TheHatchetman

chuck1234 October 9 2009 9:48 PM EDT


TheHatchetman 9:44 PM EDT
"Even with a reason and a backstory, there's no reason the NUB should be used as a selling bonus. there's currently a what? 420% bonus going? That's to help people catch up, not to help people boost their bank accounts."

Nicely put. Support this campaign, folks. On another level, can the game design be tweaked to prevent such infamy?

TheHatchetman October 9 2009 9:56 PM EDT

Levon:

+5
+5

(had to do it that way cuz 5 is the highest number you can + at a time and you deserved +10 for that one ^_^)


DC:

NUBs are given a bonus to their rewards. Name one good reason they deserve to sell their unearned excess funds and I'll do a complete 180 and start advocating NUB sales in an attempt to help squash the bad press that it is getting. But I warn you, I've been looking for a good reason for this for years, and haven't found it. I appreciate your attempt to have both sides of an issue heard. But in this particular scenario, there really is no other side except "Well we got the money and people wanna buy it! =-O"

TheHatchetman October 9 2009 10:05 PM EDT

"On another level, can the game design be tweaked to prevent such infamy?"

Unfortunately, any restrictions on NUB sales would either be full of loopholes and ways around the system, which would put a serious tax on the time of the admins and developers. Or so tight that NUBs are blocked off from over half the game. It really is just down to the USD spenders, in the hopes that they won't be tempted by a NUB offering a cheaper price. Sadly, it seems there will always be at least one who is either willing to buy from NUBs "if the price is right", or won't bother to check someone's start date before making a deal (Selling out a whole week after NUB is still pretty much a NUB sellout -.-)


And before looking at this as a flame on NUBs, please note that a NUB selling out is not necessarily a multi or a bad person (though you'd be a fool to think successful NUB sellouts don't promote multis). Fembley is one that I can name that while he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box, he seemed like a generally good kid. He sold out every mil or two as he made it during his NUB, but I (to this day) believe that that was his first and only account.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] October 10 2009 2:56 AM EDT

Nother one...

NUB expires tomorrow:

bensonp

bensonp October 10 2009 3:03 AM EDT

i'm not a nub sellout though get your facts straight

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] October 10 2009 3:05 AM EDT

Selling the "rest" of your 10 mil, which is surprisingly, all you have. No items other than an SF worth selling. And, hey, hey, no way, 1 day before your NUB expires.

Prove me wrong then. Only way you can do that though is by not selling, and keep playing...

Vicious Cat October 10 2009 4:21 AM EDT

I never buy with USD, but I'm a sucker for a good petition

Signed

Solare October 10 2009 5:54 AM EDT

As long as USD buying and selling is allowed I see no reason not to buy.
I'm against the entire idea in general, but if everyone supports it, and doesn't support new players doing this, it is somewhat hypocritical.

I cannot 'sign' this.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] October 10 2009 7:27 AM EDT

I don't think it is hypocritical. I do not think its the admins' job nor should it be their job to regulate USD buying or buying from nubs. Most here can agree that would just be too difficult and cause too many problems. So the market needs to stay free. However, I also believe that these huge nub sell outs are getting slightly out of hand and it is a good idea if the community bonds together to stop or at least increase the difficulties for NUB sell outs. Sure there will always be one or two that will buy from them, but eventually they will run out of ENC. ;)

AdminNightStrike October 10 2009 8:06 AM EDT

As long as admins don't enforce these boycotts, then the market remains entirely free. In fact, that's a big facet of a free market -- not just the power and ability of the suppliers to be free and control their market, but for the ability of the *consumers* to control the market equally.

I support this effort 100%.

In fact, it gives me an idea.

AdminNightStrike October 10 2009 9:05 AM EDT

Let's see if my idea worked :)

Brakke Bres [Ow man] October 10 2009 9:54 AM EDT

idea where? Post or it didn't happen!

AdminTitan October 10 2009 1:06 PM EDT

"i'm not a nub sellout though get your facts straight"

Just b/c you waited till the end of your NUB to sell your money doesn't make any less of a sellout. It just makes you a smart one.

Zenai October 10 2009 1:25 PM EDT

"NUBs are given a bonus to their rewards. Name one good reason they deserve to sell their unearned excess funds and I'll do a complete 180 and start advocating NUB sales in an attempt to help squash the bad press that it is getting."

Hatch I can give you the best reason in the world..... Real Life.

You just cannot predict it and sometimes things happen that you just simply cannot control. When Real Life hits it takes Precedence over any Game including CB. If it can happen to a Vet it can happen to a New Player/NUB.

This was the reason for me saying what I did. In this light everyone at least can judge for themselves if it is at least something that has a viable/feasible reason.

Lochnivar October 10 2009 1:27 PM EDT

>"i'm not a nub sellout though get your facts straight"

>Just b/c you waited till the end of your NUB to sell your money >doesn't make any less of a sellout. It just makes you a smart one.

Actually from the look of the logs he sold 22mil about a month back...
32mil in sales at $4 per..... I can think of about 128 USD reasons why someone might suspect NUB sellout...


Of course some may just enjoy the challenge of a low NW strategy... I guess we'll have to let time have the measure of the situation.

QBRanger October 10 2009 1:32 PM EDT

Does anyone really believe he will be here after he sells that money and if he can his character and all other items?

Of course he will not.

Levon [Clocked Out] October 10 2009 10:00 PM EDT

this is how i think about CB: i'm going to play the game, not necessarily for the click-and-fight-and-gain-XP, but because i love CB and am part of the community.. i can find other games to click and fight, and i can find other things to do like go out to a club and try and dance up some honey.. but i stay here for CB in particular

given that, i'm curious as why people need to sell everything off and pocket the cash anyways? don't get me wrong, there are two parts to the deal, and perhaps "selling" something is doing a service to allowing someone to "buy" something.. but my god if i were ever to leave and sell everything off i would at least donate half of the proceeds back to the game for crying out loud.. i mean really, we get jobs so we can make money, we play CB because we love the game, n'est-ce pas?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 10 2009 10:59 PM EDT

i so wanted jonathan, with the creation of cb2, to nip this in the bud and kill off all transfers. what you have on a character is what you would have earned on that character. he chose to have an economy though much to my chagrin.

i do have to admit though that i would be happy to start over with cb3 if we could cut out the transfers. ; )

QBRanger October 10 2009 11:36 PM EDT

**Warning: This user currently has a New User Bonus. Consider this before making any deals.

This is new on all NUB users FS posts.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 10 2009 11:47 PM EDT

Certainly an interesting change adding that text in.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] October 10 2009 11:50 PM EDT

Woah, woah. They do not carry the plague. They just have a NUB. If you guys want to get together and agree to not buy from NUBs, then that's fine. But let's not ostracise them, especially by branding them with a trade warning. That's 2000% exagerated, in my opinion.

Admiralkiller October 10 2009 11:51 PM EDT

This Is really over the top IMO. A Small Icon With "click here to see what this means" And a link explaining why NuB's get this Icon would be better.

The loud Red lettering is Labeling and could turn some new players off and/or offend them.

Don't get me wrong I understand and agree with the reasoning behind this change but lets not put everyone in the same category.

:-)

Burton October 10 2009 11:54 PM EDT

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Godpanda October 10 2009 11:59 PM EDT

Burton is right.

Y'all are disgusting.

"She's a witch! Burn her alive!"

"What makes you say that?"

"Why does it matter! I said it, didn't I!? Burn her!"

"OKAY!"

I used to wonder how that kind of thing was possible. Oh, but I get it now. Even the intelligent can be totally wrong.

Grow up, everyone. Every new player who has any amount of success is not a cheater. More importantly, why the hell is this blatant attack on some members of the community being tolerated by -anyone-?

Burton October 11 2009 12:01 AM EDT

Just because a few NUBs a year are sellouts, we all get punished with this branding and making it clear you do not want people buying from us? Make a sticky or a thread, but a constant reminder everytime we post?
You got to be kidding me.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 11 2009 12:04 AM EDT

whoa! i think broad measures that punish everyone rather than those we actually have an issue with will only further alienate users. with our population suffering such a decline in the last few years is further alienation how we really want to progress?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 11 2009 12:11 AM EDT

perhaps as a compromise we could just add a NUB tag to people with that bonus. for example, NUBdudemus.

it would flag them as a nub in forum threads but not have such negative connotations as the current flag?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] October 11 2009 12:16 AM EDT

The NUB tag seems much less ominous a way to go about this. Not only will it serve to keep people wary of them selling out but it will also help flag them for needed help when they are first starting.

Admiralkiller October 11 2009 12:18 AM EDT

I think as a community when buying CB$ with USD$ we are responsible to do a little homework to see if we are supporting a NUB sellout. (click on name and check Start date) <--not very hard.

This loud lettering (which has offended some) wont work on someone one day out of NUB?(unsure).

All this does really is offend people and maybe turn off new players.

Even New to buying CB$ with USD I already check to see if it's a NUB or just finished NuB.

The idea to let people know that Buying From sell out NuBs is counterproductive to the community and frowned upon should be expressed in many fashions to help curb this kind of behavior. (also Selling out)

:-) Anyways I finished my nub and bought :-P

[The Wretched]Freekie [Lower My Fees] October 11 2009 12:18 AM EDT

I agree this is getting a little out of control... meaning all of it. Something does need to be done but flagging all new players as a risk is not the way to go about it.

From what it seems like theres nothing that can really be done other than checking things for yourself and doing all you can to avoid buying if you so choose.

I normally try to stay out of things like this but upon opening a thread where someones wanting to buy a lesser tat for a tourney char and seeing a bright red warning, Im not even too sure what to think.

I support finding a way to weed out multis, but i dont think this is the correct path to be taken... Perhaps someone can think of another place to start.

three4thsforsaken October 11 2009 12:45 AM EDT

Godwolf beat me to the witch hunt reference.

Cube October 11 2009 12:56 AM EDT

I'll just simply put my vote in, that I don't like the warnings on the FS/WTB posts. A NUB tag sounds reasonable.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] October 11 2009 2:15 AM EDT

Im fine with it the way it is, its not saying their a bad person, but neither is this thread, it's just stating" "Hey, this person wanted money out of this game, not to be friends with you."

Burton October 11 2009 2:24 AM EDT

So, {cb1}smallpau1, you're saying all NUB are sellouts and should carry around this warning sign whenever they trade?
Dream on, not all of us use this game to make a quick few bucks.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- October 11 2009 2:33 AM EDT

I'm actually for this. If you're so offended by something so trivial, then grow up and get over it.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- October 11 2009 2:35 AM EDT

But realistically it doesn't matter. People will either buy from them or not. If we as a community can just pay attention and not support such actions, then maybe they wouldn't take place.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 October 11 2009 2:52 AM EDT

Perhaps not the majority, but a rather large portion of NUB's who sell out for USD are in fact multis.

QBJohnnywas October 11 2009 3:16 AM EDT

Ah, NS. I can remember when you were fairly new and commenting on how unfriendly CB could be to new players. Sorry, I really don't think this is a good thing. It really doesn't do anything but make a NUB feel like they're not trusted. After all it doesn't take much to check on a player's status.

Frankly there is a certain amount of hypocrisy involved here. After all, if the community hadn't made a market for things like this then people wouldn't be doing it. I've bought from NUBs, either directly buying cash or paying for supporterships etc and had that sinking feeling when they've turned out to be multis. But so have several other people in this thread, including a huge amount in the past from the original poster.

Most of the multis that come along aren't really any surprise, but seriously, all threads and actions like this one achieve is making new players feel alienated.

I'd be more impressed if all the people who have benefited from NUB sellouts gave what they've purchased in those situations to tourney prizes and then carried out their 'banding together'.

But no, that'll never happen will it....

Phrede October 11 2009 3:27 AM EDT

This is a little too much of a reaction methinks. If we all had labels then I would have 'CB$ buyer' on my character and yet I havent bought CB$ for over a year - maybe longer. (although I think I will have to soon with my NCB and sale of Hens)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 11 2009 7:12 AM EDT

The thing is, we've given every NUB player an increase to cash rewards, to give them access to the same total amount of cash a plyer starting on January 1st 2005 would have had.

It's there to allow them to have the same access to funding contest, upping weapons, buying gear, and selling cash, that everyone else had.

Restircting this, even if it's a community opting not to buy form them, is terrible.

That the Bonus propmotes multiing (or even *only* playing the game until your bonus runs out) is a seperate problem, and one that should be handled by changing the bonus itself.

All this will do, is make people wanting to sell out wait a day until thier Bonus is over. It still won't change the fact people are playing *only* to sell out.

And if we're so down about selling out, then we should be stopping buying form *any* player that wants to sell out of the game. NUB, NCB, non bonus, or even QB.

Doing this, just removes an option form a new Player, that every one of the existing players already had open to them.

If we dislike selling out so much, then we shouldn't buy from any sellout.

Fair?

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] October 11 2009 7:40 AM EDT

I enjoy playing the who is Duke game :P

Burton October 11 2009 7:58 AM EDT

I think extending the NUB duration and lowering the bonus it gives is a good solution.
Make it 1 year and cut the bonus in half from what it is at now.

AdminNightStrike October 11 2009 9:05 AM EDT

Ok, so I've changed the notice to be:

Note: This user currently has a New User Bonus.


Here was my thinking for the original idea:

If we could make it very well known that a poster in that forum was a new user, we as a whole would encourage selling them things they need for good deals, and discourage buying their stuff for USD. In general, at least.

I didn't want to go so far as to put "sell stuff, don't buy it", but I thought flagging the user as new would make the average kind hearted CB player say "Hey, let me go and help this new player out that wants to get more into the game," or "Hey, let me ignore this new player that wants to leave the game."

I changed the notice to one less attacking. And yes, I'm open to further suggestions.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 11 2009 9:45 AM EDT

wouldn't a NUB tag accomplish the same thing and also show up in other forums hopefully gaining some benefit there as well?

[P]Mitt October 11 2009 9:51 AM EDT

I'm really on board with a NUB tag on the titles of all their threads. There is an added bonus for them to say beyond their NUB as they finally get promoted to "Non-NUB" and then can exert their new status. If that makes sense.

TheHatchetman October 11 2009 10:09 AM EDT

Unless there is no cash bonus involved with NUB then it will forever be unreasonable of them to sell out. As is, they're getting over 5 times the rewards other players have, so you can't say it isn't different from other players in any way. There is a big difference there. Without the cash bonus, NUB doesn't serve it's purpose of allowing newbies to catch up, so there's not much of a way to change things without breaking them. So please, when considering that they're just here to sell off their BA, and at over 5 times what people that've been here for years, contributed to the community, and in many cases have even put their own cash in can, tell me this:

They've done what to deserve it?



No crap about "being friendly to new players" because really, who's gonna be able to tell me anything about that? This isn't about restricting their actions so much as it is about saying this is a game not a paycheck, either play or go.

The tag is a bit harsh, but i think the issue resides mainly with the color and the bold font. Not sure many NUBs would feel singled out once they knew how the majority of the community sees new *players*. A little NUB notice will actually work in someone's favor in most cases, unless they were trying to sell out of course, in which case, nanner nanner boo boo?

Zenai October 11 2009 12:24 PM EDT

"The tag is a bit harsh, but i think the issue resides mainly with the color and the bold font. Not sure many NUBs would feel singled out once they knew how the majority of the community sees new *players*. A little NUB notice will actually work in someone's favor in most cases, unless they were trying to sell out of course, in which case, nanner nanner boo boo?"


Sarcasm aside Hatch in Essence yes. We have few options here other than to be total jerks to any New Player that comes into the game until their 6 month NP Status is over and they stay until we are collectively satisfied. The Tag I think would be a good thing, whether it said NUB or NP or was weird bold colors wouldn't matter much it would help a "Little" either way. Sometimes a little can lead to a lot, in this case I would hope it would be in a positive way. Of course there will be a few that are "Jaded" and will use this to avoid New Players but overall it "Could" be a benefit to all involved.


Fair and unfair has nothing to do with the "Elitist Club" this would become if the NUB were removed unless something better was instated(which I am open to). This was the "Reason" for the NUB in the First place, a "Chance" for New Players to get on "Equal Footing" with Vets if enough work was put in. Then the Vets Complained and were given a similar "Chance" in the NCB in order to "Catch Up" to the NUBs that were passing them up.

Personally I think having a Month to Drudge through everything and see how this game works without the NUB would be a good "Probationary Period". In this time the community should be able to, for the most part, see who is genuine or not. Plus this would give them time to see how the game works, how to put together a good strategy, plan things out/prepare and hopefully weed out the Multi's and Sellout Artists.

Honestly though where there is a will there is a way they will sell out if they truly want to and someone will buy. This is the Blessing and Curse of the Free Market System.

The lesson to be learned in this is that you cannot have your cake and eat it too and even if you can no Ice-Cream for you!

QBOddBird October 11 2009 1:04 PM EDT

I approve of its current state, just letting us know they are a NUB.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- October 11 2009 4:14 PM EDT

I approve the current change.

My biggest question, is why should a new user be entitled to the same kind of cash someone who has been grinding it out for 4 years? That's kind of absolutely retarded isn't it?

It would be like joining WoW and being handed 30,000 gold because that's what other people have WORKED for.

I say instead of lollygaging around with such a trivial change, we push for a real change.

We can start by dropping the broken NUB.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 11 2009 4:17 PM EDT

I'll say this, since attempting to be "fair" to new users using this method, the numbers speak for themselves.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] October 11 2009 4:22 PM EDT

Just so you realize this. The vast majority of the money that a NUB is designed to receive goes straight into their BA costs. So what happens is that their BA is free and they get about a 20-25% increase in rewards.

QBRanger October 15 2009 2:38 PM EDT

What numbers are you typing about novice?

QBRanger October 22 2009 3:09 PM EDT

"So what happens is that their BA is free and they get about a 20-25% increase in rewards. "

Nem,

Are you stating that NUB's get only 25% more money per battle that I do?

I find that hard to believe.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2009 3:22 PM EDT

in this thread jon talks about it being set at 1/3 of the original amount to compensate for free ba.

what i am not sure of is if it was originally set at the same as the xp bonus amount. in effect, at 450% xp bonus would nubs now get 150% money bonus?

i will try to find the original nub thread to see if it states what the bonus to cash rewards were originally.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] October 22 2009 4:01 PM EDT

From my experience with seeing other people fight with the NUB and my experience with people fighting in the same type of circumstances, NCB, in a per fight basis the NUB receives about 25% more rewards per fight than a normal char. But when you consider that their BA is free this changes the amount of money that they actually get by a good bit.

Since they can use up all their ba including bought ba at no cost then they get another 1/3 the amount of ba that a non buying ncb gets. When compared with a non buying ncb a NUB will basically get 167% as much rewards by getting 25% more rewards per fight than a normal char.

Also, an N*B's rewards are not the same as yours ranger. At the top end of the game there is very little chance for fighting at a challenge bonus. My rewards average to around 600 per fight and I assume that yours are very similar. An NCB's rewards are more around 800 per fight when you include the challenge bonus.

QBRanger October 22 2009 4:07 PM EDT

I would really like a NUB about 3M MPR, if there are any to post their money rewards during normal time.

Mine are about 500 on average if I am lucky.

Wraithlin October 22 2009 4:17 PM EDT

So I guess the real question is: Why do you all care if people sell out? The goal in this game is to create the ultimate killing machine, better than everyone else. Sell outs are just adding items to the marketplace for other people to have a chance at, while not really giving you any challenge to your top 5 status or whatever it is you're looking at. In every multiplayer game online there are people trying to make money off the people that actually enjoy the game. Getting mad about these people is a waste of time, either use thier services or ignore them.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] October 22 2009 4:18 PM EDT

ask this guy: http://www.carnageblender.com/shared/community-member.tcl?user_id=258829

BHT October 22 2009 4:45 PM EDT

Ranger:
Here is my rewards for 5 Battles against a 42% CB opponet
MY MPR: 2,962,976

Money:
659
1317
987
1315
986
Average: 1053

XP:
914
1219
1493
840
1539
Average: 1201

QBRanger October 22 2009 4:46 PM EDT

Hmm,

Did not realize the money was that "low" for the xp bonus.

I get at most 200 xp per minion and 500 cash.

BHT October 22 2009 4:48 PM EDT

*Note: I have a 2 Minion + Familiar team

So if you really are only averaging $500 per fight then this shows that NUB's get about a 100% bonus on cash rewards. (Not factoring the difference in CB%)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 23 2009 12:08 AM EDT

won't the different ba regens make a difference as well?

Kefeck [BlackSmith] October 23 2009 12:44 AM EDT

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002uWp

We going to allow this, or?
This thread is closed to new posts. However, you are welcome to reference it from a new thread; link this with the html <a href="/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002tYj">Let us band together please.</a>