T50: Team tourney (in Contests)


QBRanger February 6 2010 2:25 PM EST

I will be running this tourney in 1 week. To give people a break for a bit.

It will be a team tourney, 4 people per team.

Prizes will be:

Winning team gets 5M each PLUS a free item naming each.

Basically a team will be composed of 4 characters:

More details to follow.

If you wish to put together your team, please do so below.


DoS [Battle Royale] February 6 2010 2:28 PM EST

Team {Blender} assemble! :)

Newlin [SeeD] February 6 2010 2:37 PM EST

I am willing to join any semi-competitive team.

AdminShade February 6 2010 2:37 PM EST

I'll join, if anyone wants to take me in!

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] February 6 2010 2:57 PM EST

awesome I'd like to join this one. I'll be off of work that week also.

Papa Bear [G6] February 6 2010 2:59 PM EST

i'm so in

whats the limit on teams? like 4 teams or??

QBRanger February 6 2010 3:01 PM EST

Any amount of teams.

You will be fighting together towards a common goal-defeating the big bad monster that will pop up soon.

However, there will be classes of characters one has to keep.

IE tank, mage, archer, monk, etc...

The goal-
To defeat the mob with the kicker-
You can all attack the mob, 1 time each before it heals. IF as a team you defeat it with 1 attack each, you win. Only 1 person on the team has to beat it. The others can damage it, but 1 attack each.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] February 6 2010 3:39 PM EST

I am in. It was fun doing a combo kill in ZT2.

Sickone February 6 2010 3:39 PM EST

A few notes:

1) _IF_ you go the "people get starting XP" route, please also provide at least enough CB$ so that people can convert from a single minion to a 4-minion setup immediately on tournament start - it's a tactical choice, and choices are always good ; ALTERNATIVELY, make tournament minion hiring cheaper by a fixed amount depending on the initial recruitment cost - a bit less of a tactical choice, still a choice nevertheless, and sidesteps the issue of large amounts of CB$ from the start

2) The tournament bonus should be at least +100%, in order to disqualify forging as a feasible means of competition (forge at your own loss) ; don't pick a bonus that is TOO high though, it opens up other issues we have noticed in past tournaments, and I'm not only talking about the tournament store, but also about the tourney's influence on the regular game's scores

3) BUGFIX : now that we have a tournament store, do something about the fact tournament players can not sell "valuable" items to the store ; make them sell into nothingness if selling them to the tourney store is impossible to implement. It's not just a matter of CB$, but also one of inventory space. Not very urgent, but should be tackled eventually.

QBRanger February 6 2010 3:43 PM EST

1) I like giving people some xp to start in order to prevent the problems of the very early game.

There will be some starting xp, not much, perhaps 5M. Fighting a bit should let you hire 1 or more minions quickly.

2) The bonus will be about 500% give or take.

3) I hope this can be fixed. If not, it should not make a huge difference in this tourney.

If you run into issues with space on a character, I am sure someone can relieve you of the items you no longer want.

Sickone February 6 2010 4:03 PM EST

Starter minion hiring costs for a 5 mil bonus XP at start should run a bit under 0.7 mil for the cheap option (133k XP on new mionion) and a bit under 1.7 mil for the expensive option (555k XP on new minion).
You know, roughly around there ;)
At +500% tournament bonus (*6 rewards), you're probably looking at anywhere from 2 to 4 mil CB$ earned per day, so yeah, it should be doable.

QBRanger February 6 2010 4:13 PM EST

Also,

Remember with the new tourney store, you will be able to get the rares you need for fighting cheaply. The biggest costs will be upgrading you items.

Sickone February 6 2010 4:15 PM EST

Will we get regular-type tattoos too in this tournament ? :)
Any proposals for what items will be available or not, and how much they'll cost in the T-store ?
:P

QBRanger February 6 2010 4:19 PM EST

Still working on tattoos.

They may be only available to mages as a true familiar. These are things I will tweak during the week.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] February 7 2010 1:17 AM EST

I am in if anyone wants me ^_^

DoS [Battle Royale] February 7 2010 1:27 AM EST

The team is:
DoS
Miandrital
Kefeck
Nemerizt

Trentin February 7 2010 1:44 AM EST

I want a part of the team tourney, it just seems confusing how it would work

Apoclyspe February 7 2010 2:46 AM EST

I'd be willing to play in anyone's team.

Vicious Cat February 7 2010 3:47 AM EST

How long's it for?
And, anyone want a Vicious Cat in their team?

Andy February 7 2010 6:06 AM EST

Red leader reporting in.

AdminShade February 7 2010 6:12 AM EST

I would think 5 million would be quite much to get additional minions. I expect nobody being able to run a 4 minion team. But we'll see.

lel February 7 2010 6:46 AM EST

I'm in.

QBRanger February 7 2010 5:03 PM EST

Prelim character types:

Archer-any missile weapon user, SoD or ELB or MsB or even a long bow if you want.
Tank-Melee tank with no missile weapon.
Mage-Will be able to buy and use a lesser familiar.
Enchanter-RoS based character. Using a lesser RoS.

Those are 4 types right now. Only 1 type per team. Archer and tanks CANNOT use a tattoo.

This is subject to further tweaking.

One last note, the NSC will NOT be in this tourney.

AdminShade February 7 2010 5:08 PM EST

I'd be willing to fill in one of the tank based characters if anyone wants me. Challenging!

QBRanger February 7 2010 5:13 PM EST

2 more things:

There will be a new post the day before the tourney with all the rules.

After the first day, there is no attacking a teammate.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] February 7 2010 5:17 PM EST

Can the melee tank use UC?

QBRanger February 7 2010 5:20 PM EST

Can the melee tank use UC?

Yes, but I think using a melee weapon would be better. However, knock yourself out if you want to use UC.

Remember there is no junctioning a Jiggy.

lel February 7 2010 5:52 PM EST

and I would like to join a team.

Asgarginia February 7 2010 7:14 PM EST

i'm a bit of a noob but I'd like to join a team if anyone wants me =]

I'm a little confused about the team make-up though. Each team has 4 people in it and each of them must be one of the classess listed above? or what?

Papa Bear [G6] February 7 2010 7:31 PM EST

Cm me if you want on a team

Papa Bear [G6] February 7 2010 9:30 PM EST

Need one more for team

Newlin, Sparticus and I are the team now.

Salketer [big bucks] February 7 2010 9:55 PM EST

I want in! Any team looking for player please PM me.

Papa Bear [G6] February 7 2010 9:59 PM EST

Team Blenderific is as follows

Tal Destra
Sparticus
Newlin
Asgarginia

Sickone February 7 2010 11:01 PM EST

Clarifications needed...

a) What exactly is the difference between a mage and an enchanter ?
I mean, you can't have both a RoS and a familiar anyway, and you can't have any physical damage weapons, so all that's left is magical damage (especially for the enchanter, since he doesn't have any other damage sources). So basically, the enchanter is much more likely to have a higher DD level compared to a mage, you might as well merge the classes into a "mage" class that can pick either a familiar or a RoS.
Unless... see below...

b) "Only 1 type per team" - what exactly does that mean ?
That each of the four players in a team should have the same type of strategy, or that all minions in every character's training list (if we hire a second, third or fourth minion) should follow the same strategy, or what exactly ?
I assume what you wanted to say was "only one of each type of character in each team of 4 player characters", that would make a lot more sense, and the question at point A) becomes clearer too.
As for the additional minions, no idea how you mean it.

c) Is an archer allowed to use a melee weapon or not ? I suppose not, otherwise there would be no point in having a "tank" class. Just making sure it's specified in the rules.

d) I understand the "victory criteria" will be beating some big character or something like that... how exactly are four separate characters supposed to beat it ?
So what exactly does that mean too ? That all four in a team must beat him individually/separately ? Not much of a team thing then.
Or does it mean they can attack him in "waves", between HP refreshes, so they truly act like a team ? Well, it's going to be pretty difficult to pull THAT off with four people each on god knows what schedule, so in case that's how it's going to go down, we might want to rethink our teams depending on when we're online.


You know, just a few questions :P

Sickone February 7 2010 11:05 PM EST

Silly my, you already answered D, I just missed it.
Still, that only makes the answers to A and B more important.

QBRanger February 7 2010 11:13 PM EST

a) Mage has DD and a familiar. Enchanter has mage and RoS.
b) 1 type of character per team
c) Archers only use missile weapon
d)
Or does it mean they can attack him in "waves", between HP refreshes, so they truly act like a team ? Well, it's going to be pretty difficult to pull THAT off with four people each on god knows what schedule, so in case that's how it's going to go down, we might want to rethink our teams depending on when we're online.

That is exactly what I mean. Attack in waves between character refresh. That is why it is a TEAM tournament. The best team will win. Not necessarily the strongest, but the one that uses all the characters to the best advantage to take down the mob.

Sickone February 7 2010 11:20 PM EST

b) 1 type of character per team


"Team" as in "all 4 players" or "all minions on a character" ?
So if I have a single minion tank, the other 3 players in my team have to also play tanks, or one of them has to play archer, another mage and the fourth enchanter ?
And if I want to recruit a second minion on my character, does it have to be a tank too ?

If you mean all players need to play the same type, then I can already tell you, the winning team will have 4 archers, and everything else is pointless.

QBRanger February 7 2010 11:26 PM EST

Wow, people think of every single permutation.

But to answer better:

A team is composed of 4 characters.

A character is composed of 4 minions.

So each team can only have 1 character of each class.

Each character can have 1 or more minions that fit into a minion type. IE: 4 characters using missile weapons or only 1. But an archer character cannot use DD or melee weapons.

Therefore the only characters that can use decay is the enchanter and mage.

All ED and EO spells are available to all characters except GA which is only to be used by the enchanter character.

Sickone February 7 2010 11:30 PM EST

Wow, people think of every single permutation.


Of course :)
And thanks for the clarifications AND the added info about GA and other enchantments.
It all makes *a lot* more sense now.

QBRanger February 7 2010 11:31 PM EST

One of the reasons for this post, before the tourney starts is to get all the questions out of the way for a nice easy playing experience :)

Glad to answer!

QBRanger February 7 2010 11:44 PM EST

I have to clarify one thing:
A character is composed of 4 minions.

Composed of UP to 4 minions.

Sickone February 8 2010 2:20 AM EST

To recap, just to make sure I have everything right (:evilgrin:)
_

Each team must have :
* one archers-only character (no DD, no melee weapons, no tattoos, no GA)
* one tanks-only character (no DD, no ranged weapons, no tattoos, no GA)
* one mages-only character (no weapons, only lesser familiars, no GA)
* one enchanters-only character (no weapons, only lesser RoS)

Teams start with 5 mil XP on the first hired minion (starter team MPR around 170k, makes additional minion hiring cost about 700k), negligible cash (so can't hire a 2nd minion immediately after), tournament bonus is +500% rewards (growth slightly faster than a NCB that buys no BA).
All allowable items for all character types can be purchased from an endless supply in the tournament-only store.

Winning team will be the one that can defeat a specific target first.
They must defeat the target without outside help, but they can work as a team to weaken the target (only ONE attack per team member before the "refresh tick").
_

NOTE : it would probably help if we set a minimum timestamp difference of at least 3 minutes (e.g. 17:36 vs 17:39), or preferably even 5 minutes between any previous attacks on the designated target (regardless of who made the attacks) and the sequence of attacks from a team for a "win attempt" to qualify.

The reason for this is that occasionally, the "respawn" takes a bit longer than usual (up to 2 minutes, I have experienced that personally), and 2 minutes timestamp difference could as well be an actual time difference of barely over 1 minute (17:36:59 vs 17:38:01)... so, you know, better safe than sorry.

QBRanger February 8 2010 8:40 AM EST

Yes,

And the timestamp thing is not a bad idea.

AdminShade February 8 2010 10:08 AM EST

IE: 4 characters using missile weapons or only 1

Should that not have been 4 minions?
Those are 4 types right now. Only 1 type per team

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] February 8 2010 10:12 AM EST

Each team must have :
* one archers-only character (no DD, no melee weapons, no tattoos, no GA)
* one tanks-only character (no DD, no ranged weapons, no tattoos, no GA)
* one mages-only character (no weapons, only lesser familiars, no GA)
* one enchanters-only character (no weapons, only lesser RoS)



Ok i noticed you didnt list skills. are we free to chose whatever skills we want?

QBRanger February 8 2010 10:41 AM EST

Should that not have been 4 minions?

Yes, my mistype

Ok i noticed you didnt list skills. are we free to chose whatever skills we want?

Have fun using whatever you want.

However UC and bloodlust can only be used by the tank, and archery by the archer if s/he chooses that type of weapon.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 8 2010 10:54 AM EST

it would appear that the death by jabberwocky clan will be fielding a team for this tournament! ; )

Apoclyspe February 8 2010 12:12 PM EST

Btw i have been thinking about it i would like to be the enchanter in team, Also if your still wanting to play and no team feel free to join me send me a chatmail. Honestly i don't know how well i do but it is fun to play either way.

lel February 9 2010 3:00 PM EST

still looking for a team

Demigod February 9 2010 4:41 PM EST

SK,

Draco and Andy appear to be in the same boat. You may want to CM them.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 10 2010 10:49 AM EST

Me, SK, and Draco are looking for one more person :).

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] February 10 2010 11:07 AM EST

I'll join your guys' team.

AdminShade February 10 2010 11:39 AM EST

I'm also still looking for a team, why don't people contact me?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 10 2010 11:48 AM EST

Because Shade we all know your so good that your still going to beat us all with your 1 man team! Its only fair to everyone else to not join up with you. :]

AdminShade February 10 2010 11:55 AM EST

p.s. I think I see a very large flaw in this tournament, haven't noticed it before.

We get 5 million experience but no cash at all. How does a tank (either ranged or melee) get to deal it's damage and be competitive in contrast to mages whom have experience to spend?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 10 2010 12:02 PM EST

Come on shade, we are going to bust out those Tulwars with our 300k+ str! :D

QBRanger February 10 2010 12:26 PM EST

We get 5 million experience but no cash at all. How does a tank (either ranged or melee) get to deal it's damage and be competitive in contrast to mages whom have experience to spend?

All weapons will cost 10 CB each.

So you will be able to get a base weapon to start.

The first few fights may be tough, but with a 500% bonus, you should make enough money quickly to have a decent NW weapon fast.

Trentin February 10 2010 3:40 PM EST

So Trentin... and ? And?

QBRanger February 10 2010 4:42 PM EST

Only 3 more days to gather a team.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 10 2010 7:04 PM EST

Me, SK, Draco, and Titan are a team :).

AdminShade February 11 2010 12:49 AM EST

I seem to have joined Salketer's team!

Salketer [big bucks] February 11 2010 1:14 AM EST

Yup, Me, Apoclypse and Shade are currently teaming up, still looking for a last brave soul do it quick!!

Trentin February 11 2010 3:01 AM EST

Can I join Salketer? Lol

Salketer [big bucks] February 11 2010 1:02 PM EST

Me, Apoclyspe, Shade and Vicious Cat will be teaming up in the tournament!

Sorry trentin saw it too late :(

Vicious Cat February 11 2010 5:46 PM EST

Ranger:
Will we be allowed to see the Big Bad before we start?

QBRanger February 11 2010 5:48 PM EST

Ranger:

Will we be allowed to see the Big Bad before we start?
Possibly!

Vicious Cat February 11 2010 5:56 PM EST

:-P

Trentin February 11 2010 9:21 PM EST

Whos team am i on >.>

Demigod February 11 2010 9:46 PM EST

Trentin, you may want to CM Andy.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 11 2010 9:49 PM EST

would it be possible to get all of the details thus far edited into the first post along with the starting time?

kevlar February 11 2010 10:45 PM EST

Sounds like a fun tourney, wish I had the time for it. I really enjoyed the last 'teamwork' tourney I played in, the Gridiron football one.

QBRanger February 11 2010 10:56 PM EST

would it be possible to get all of the details thus far edited into the first post along with the starting time?

Tomorrow

Salketer [big bucks] February 12 2010 12:38 AM EST

Thanks ranger That would be greatly appreciated... And more info about the target could be nice to have like a day before we start? Remember we have to plan a team of 4! :)

Apoclyspe February 12 2010 12:39 AM EST

Hmm i see some people are still missing team mates I figured i'd ask if they can't get anyone else maybe they could if you would allow them to maybe make 2 chars to fill rosters, obviously if they feel they can handle, admin does not mind, and if there is no one else to fill the spot.

Salketer [big bucks] February 12 2010 12:48 AM EST

No I can't agree with that. Allowing players to make two tourney chars would be just ridiculous... Even having them in different teams, it would still contribute to unbalancing of the tournament which I totally don't want. Even if I feel like I have very light chances on winning I don't think it would be fair to have 2 chances at winning. "If they can handle it" that's a bit dumb because if both characters went the same strategy, it would be as easy to control two than controlling one.

One guy, one character. IMO

AdminShade February 12 2010 12:57 AM EST

Apo: those people should either team up or find players outside the tournament to join.

Apoclyspe February 12 2010 1:11 AM EST

Just a thought I could i see how it would be unbalanced.

TourneyPrizes February 12 2010 5:19 PM EST

Note to all:

In the beginning not all rares will be available.

The NSC will not be included in this game at all.

We have 2 teams as of this post. I hope to have 4 total for this contest.

There will be a participation prize of course.

lel February 12 2010 6:00 PM EST

Me, Elite, Draco, and Titan will be on a team.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] February 12 2010 6:00 PM EST

We should get a list together of all the teams.

AdminShade February 12 2010 6:03 PM EST

We should get a list together of all the teams.

put your lists in the other thread, where the 2 currently subscribed teams are put already ;)

Underage Drinking February 12 2010 9:44 PM EST

im in if someone wants to cm me with a spot.

TourneyPrizes February 12 2010 10:00 PM EST

I would post below if your looking for a team. If you can only find 3, you can choose any 3 of the 4 character types and you can make a team.

However, you will have a disadvantage but there may be a surprise to help catch up :)

NooneKnows February 13 2010 2:23 AM EST

I'd also like to join a team. one more, and we've got a team of three
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