Only read if you're a friend - Buying BA and You (in General)

Mythology March 8 2010 8:04 PM EST

Okay - unless you're spending USD, stop buying ba.

Exception - you can't play very much and need to get to better ba regen rates asap.

Reasoning - If you buy ba you're opening up the gap between a good level of equipment and your MPR.

Q&A -

MPR and NW, its MPR that counts at the end of the day surely?
Yes and no. Think of your character like a machine, Carnage Blending machine, out there to blend the best opposition possible.

Okay what do you mean?
Well if you imagine two situations :

1) Player buys BA, MPR grows, equipment lags behind.
2) Player doesnt buy BA, buys equipment needs and upgrades at a steady pace in the smith or via forger.

1) has the higher MPR, 2) has a higher power. 2) kicks 1)'s arse and walks off laughing.

Well I'm a mage so that doesnt apply to me right?

Infact it does, every piece of equipment you have on on every minion.

Hows that?

Well take for example +1AC, the AC is % based, that means as you hp grows it reaches a certain point where that % reduction is worth more than actually training hp in terms of power.

Okay so what you're basically saying is PR should be kept as low as possible and sometimes that means NW needs to go up instead of MPR?


Conclusion - Stop buying your BA, unless you are MR USD or Mr not much spare time.

Additional - Unless you're close to encumbrance if you're wise enough to use a least one char with weapons, then you should be trying to play as much as possible during the bonus money times until you hit 99% from encumbrance with the x on your weapons.

That is all :)

P.s. please feel free to ask questions + discussion is welcomed :)

QBJohnnywas March 8 2010 8:16 PM EST

True enough. One exception: tattoo. Unless you're running an NCB and power levelling it. But otherwise the only extra growth you're going to get on your tattoo comes from bought BA.

Wraithlin March 8 2010 8:26 PM EST

The only problem with this arguement is the lack of a ceiling. Since MPR has no cap, by not buying BA you are just dropping behind your competition.

Yes you get NW, but NW is not greater than MPR once they gain a significant advantage.

The only time I can agree with your statements is when you consider actually trying to get first place given a long timeline.

You will run back to back NCBs to farm money, maybe 3-4 of them. During these farming runs you are building the cash and experience to know how to run your team that is trying to get #1. During this time, do not buy BA, instead save the money for BA for the real attempt and gear for that team.

Eventually when you think you ahve a good nest egg, make your NCB attempt at first place and go for it, buying all BA and spending that money on gear.

DoS March 8 2010 8:37 PM EST

You will run back to back NCBs to farm money, maybe 3-4 of them.

Why would anyone run an ncb to make money other than maybe leveling someone's tattoo?

iBananco [Blue Army] March 8 2010 8:38 PM EST

My NW seems to be doing fine. There are ways to supplement cash income. There are no ways to supplement exp income.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] March 8 2010 9:00 PM EST

^ Hit the Nail on the Head. I buy BA Everyday and Make sure to Hit Sunday as a matter of course. Many say that is the day you shouldn't because there is no bonus. Exactly the best time to supplement and put in the extra effort is when you have no bonus! You will need to make up for the lack thereof if at all possible. Big Exp Times and Sunday are Extra Important, the rest of the time it is open season imho.

Wraithlin March 8 2010 9:55 PM EST

Why would anyone run an ncb to make money other than maybe leveling someone's tattoo?

Because an NCB makes more money than just some guy with no bonus. And why try for the top 10% with every NCB you run, it isn't realistic, and it is poor planning.

Pwned March 8 2010 10:04 PM EST

Your character is a example of how NW doesn't do anything. You have half my NW and Half my MPR but still beat me. Even If I put all the money I earn into NW I wont beat you. Why? I wont break your EC. I need some xp compared to ridiculous amounts of NW.

Demigod March 8 2010 10:09 PM EST

Because an NCB makes more money than just some guy with no bonus. - Wraithlin

Remember that the NCB differs from the NUB in that it doesn't provide a CBD bonus, just EXP. Also, the low levels provide less income per fight. However, the fun of running a new character (and noting the 100% targets) is worth mentioning.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 8 2010 10:11 PM EST

If you are running a character that you plan to stick with for a long period of time. In other words you are not planning on running an ncb then I suggest you buy ba to keep up proper mpr growth. It is easily possible to keep your $ growth steady enough and buy ba as well. There are also several ways to improve the amount of $ you bring in without ever resorting to USD.

The main times I suggest not buying BA are on a character that you do not plan on sticking with and a money generating ncb. ncb's do not generate more $ than a regular character they only get more exp which allows them to grow a tattoo faster and add a little bit more money that way. It is more important of the size of the character. In the 8-7 ba regen levels a character can earn the most amount of $ from fighting. If you are particular about getting as much money as possible without using USD then 1 thing you will want to do is create a good character that can fight up very high and keep it at the highest MPR possible while maintaining a 100% cb fight list. Then will likely also want to supplement this income with rentals, loans, and playing the auction house and sales. With a combination of these it is possible to earn over 6 mil a week.

Wraithlin March 8 2010 10:14 PM EST


No money from NCBs.

Well i'll have to rethink my next 2 years then. I thought it was just that I would have to start buying my BA. I suppose you're right then, buying BA should still only be done on a character you plan on trying for the top with, and farm money on a character you can get the 100% CB.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 8 2010 10:16 PM EST

yah, the ncb has no monetary rewards bonus girly man! you can however make money on an ncb run by levelling a tat and then selling it.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 8 2010 10:16 PM EST

In order to maintain a 100% CB you would need to retrain every so often to keep your MPR managed. Much more often on an ncb.

A non ba buying character in this region who hits all or just about all of their ba should make around 3 mil, or a bit more even, a week from fighting. To give a reference I make 1-1.1 mil a week depending on if I can get a CB, but I also buy ba.

Rentals are nothing to dismiss either. I make on average 400k a week from them.

Demigod March 8 2010 10:18 PM EST

Now does someone want to tell Wraith how much it costs to run a NCB, buying all BA? Dudemus? Anyone?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 8 2010 10:20 PM EST

i would plan on 200 million. that may be too much but not by a very large margin.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] March 8 2010 10:34 PM EST

That link is to my NCB Diary for FGoD my Current Char. It should have a lot of info that will help you with Costs. A Few things to remember I am an extreme case, a Single Minion, and I purposefully Selected one of the most expensive Strats around to run. However the NCB BA Costs should be right about on the money :-)

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 8 2010 11:06 PM EST

Hey Zen, there is no list of totals on the BA cost. Just a bunch of costs per week. I was just a bit curious as to the total cost you spent in ba. Also good to note is that you would have been also making money while you fought which would offset those costs a bit.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] March 8 2010 11:11 PM EST

By my estimate with my current char, a full NCB BA buy cost about 180M now.

Demigod March 8 2010 11:18 PM EST

Compare it to the average cost of buying all BA for six months to maintain a non-NCB.

Let's see... for me, BA costs $1344 each. $1344 X 144 per day = $193,536. We'll use 180 for a six-month period. So $193,536 x 180 = $34,836,480.

Ballpark cost to maintain a non-NCB character for six months buying all BA is $34,836,480

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] March 9 2010 12:21 AM EST

Demi your not including the money you get back in rewards. Unless you buy all your BA and then use it all on stalemates :P.

Demigod March 9 2010 12:22 AM EST

True. Add back, what, 600 per fight?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] March 9 2010 12:24 AM EST

So its only about half of your listed price. Also your not adding the NW your adding to your tattoo.

Demigod March 9 2010 12:27 AM EST

I'm intentionally ignoring that. Too hard to measure.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 9 2010 12:34 AM EST

My average Gross rewards over 6 months: $63,244,800

Expenditure: $36,599,040

Net Profit: $26,645,760

These numbers are taken from me fighting without a challenge bonus against my regular 6 person fight list. Any CB will increase rewards and net profit.

An ncb will have a slightly higher average rewards due to having a significant period of high CB.

An ncb's expenditures will be a slightly lower amount multiplied by the ncb bonus.

I believe the ncb's rewards would likely be around 70 mil total over the 6 month period. This is of course assuming that they burn 100% ba or very close to that amount. And also always buy ba. The expenditures would likely be about 30 mil multiplied by the ncb bonus. I am not really sure what that is right now but it would give a very good estimate. Then if you take out the 70 mil or so you are left with the cost it would take to run. This is barring all equipment and any transferring of the character.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] March 9 2010 12:41 AM EST

"I'm intentionally ignoring that. Too hard to measure." Demi it is not too hard to measure. Just find your average exp for your battles and then use the various formula to calculate how much NW you would add to your tattoo.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] March 9 2010 12:43 AM EST

An even simpler way would be to just write down the NW of your tattoo, fight 10-100 battles, minus the two, divide by how ever many battles you fought, and then you have the average NW you would add to your tattoo per battle.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 9 2010 3:50 AM EST


How about you're running a NCB and you already have all your gear?


Zenai [Ministry of Pain] March 9 2010 6:48 AM EST

My Averaged amount was roughly 130 Mil for my Bought BA with my rewards.

Mythology March 9 2010 10:41 AM EST

Mythology may have got a little stoned last night for the first and last time in a long while so may not have been speaking a huge amount of sense :P

AdminShade March 9 2010 10:47 AM EST

1) Player buys BA, MPR grows, equipment lags behind.

Not really, the only thing in need of improving is my tattoo. rest is needing experience to grow into my items ;)

Mythology March 9 2010 10:55 AM EST

shade, read post above yours...

Pwned March 9 2010 10:57 AM EST

for the first and last time in a long while

Classic :P

Mythology March 9 2010 11:01 AM EST

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