The Carnage Player Council (in Public Record)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 10 2010 11:45 AM EST

The CPC has officially been formed. It's members are;





In forming the council there was a delay in announcing the members,
we're sorry for the confusion this caused.

Some of the things we are hoping to help with;
Player retention
A revised tutorial
Exit surveys
Bait emails to inactive members
Updating the wiki
Brainstorming new ideas
Documenting game balance issues

The bulk of what the council intends to accomplish is the compilation
and distillation of suggestions and issues.

We will be posting our findings quarterly, and will also be taking
direct suggestions in chatmail.

None of us are making any final decisions about changes, we are not in
control of anything, nor are we an officially sponsored part of the CB administrative structure. We're just players attempting to help CB improve.

Thank you for your continued patience and assistance.

Unappreciated Misnomer March 10 2010 12:24 PM EST



kevlar March 10 2010 12:40 PM EST

not the direction the game needs to be headed towards.

kevlar March 10 2010 12:41 PM EST

and honestly something, Nem, I feel 100% should have stepped up and should have posted first on.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 10 2010 12:49 PM EST

Would you care to clarify kevlar. I'm not sure I understand your last statement.

kevlar March 10 2010 12:52 PM EST

I understand why you don't, Nov.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 10 2010 12:58 PM EST

Kudos to you, Council, all y'all are doing well so far!

Lochnivar March 10 2010 1:02 PM EST

I understand why you don't, Nov.

Poor syntax is my guess. Am I right?

Continuing in that vein.... Bast using "y'all".... wth

kevlar March 10 2010 1:03 PM EST

it's been 'real', Lock :)

AdminG Beee March 10 2010 1:09 PM EST

Let's try and keep this particular thread on topic folks.

kevlar March 10 2010 1:10 PM EST

lol ya on topic is definitely something it needs to be geared towards... this is definitely off kilter

QBRanger March 10 2010 1:19 PM EST

No dudemus? Perhaps the most neutral person in all of CB not on this CPC.

And if this is not an "officially sponsored part of the CB administrative structure", why were the players themselves not given a choice on whom would represent them?

Interesting choices none the less.

Good luck in your endeavors.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 10 2010 1:20 PM EST

Lack of dude is surprising to me. :S

Demigod March 10 2010 1:26 PM EST


Guys, I've already cast my doubt on the success of the program a couple of times. But you all really need to keep focus -- regardless of how it was set up, regardless of it not being a formal part of CB, it's still your best bet by a longshot to get new changes and features implemented.

Will it still be active in four months? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm sure you'll all still be complaining about stagnation if fails. Like it or not, supporting it is the best means to the goal.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 10 2010 1:41 PM EST

i was under the impression that i was on the council, so it is a surprise to me as well! ; )

i have been working with shade & ns, apparently in an unofficial capacity, on getting emails sent to new users after a certain amount of time has passed without them logging in. i have set up a google form that can be linked in the email and will compile the replies in one place.

we tried sending out messages last week as well as this week, but our emailer may not be working. i think ns is going to look into it when he gets a chance.

i am not upset with not being on the council but will definitely appreciate it if someone else would take this on since it is on your list as well.

three4thsforsaken March 10 2010 3:24 PM EST

The reason why there is not vote is because the council has no real power but the ability to communicate to NS and Jon. Therefore, NS and Jon should have full say because they should only pick people they can communicate easily with.

Pwned March 10 2010 3:38 PM EST

I think the people on the CPC shouldn't be able to have regular characters instead they have test characters " which gain no xp or score but can be set and cannot be attacked in the regular manor"

So then the decisions they make or the ideas they take have no personal gains.

Flamey March 10 2010 3:42 PM EST

Complicating a simple concept, way to go CB. <3 dudey.

VsCountStrum [Black Watch] March 10 2010 3:45 PM EST


I would agree with you if the council had any real power. As it currently stands it is simply an advisory council. Jon and NS will be making all decisions. To limit the council members into basically non-playing entities would be unfair.

The council members will be taking their time to help in the game. They need to know how the players are actually playing and how the game is actually playing, which can only be accomplished if they are truely playing the game. Also, how dedicated of council members can you expect to have if they are unable to have real characters?

Pwned March 10 2010 4:03 PM EST

non-playing entities

Hehe I like that :) very good wording

I guess you would be held in a higher degree to be put into that type of CPC entity.

As for knowing game mechanics, the test chars are for that, simply to test game mechanics.

As for power....Do they have real power? What if there where some really good ideas but they CPC didn't like them because they would be nerfed in some way so they don't bring up those ideas to NS/Jon.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] March 10 2010 4:15 PM EST

Speaking for myself here.

I admit there have been times I have been biased about some things. I will say this though:

My personal agenda doesn't even hold a candlestick to the needs of CB in my mind so........CB gets priority.

I hope that clears a few things up.

VsCountStrum [Black Watch] March 10 2010 4:19 PM EST

I do not believe that the Players Council will be the only communication between the players and Jon/NS. They will have their lines to Jon/NS, of course, but other players will still be able to post in the forums as they are now.

If they are restricting such a suggestion, then I for one would go straight to Jon/NS with the issue and the reasoning that the Player Council is not endorsing it. If the Players Council tries to restrict anything for their own benefit, then they will very quickly loss any power/prestige that they have with Jon/NS and the players in general.

ScY March 10 2010 4:19 PM EST

Did someone think your personal agenda held a candlestick beforehand?

That would be quite a feat!

Demigod March 10 2010 4:26 PM EST

I do not believe that the Players Council will be the only communication between the players and Jon/NS.

NS is a player and member of the community, so of course he'll still get CMs. But I, for one, will try to dump ideas through the CPC for as long as it's active... rather than pester our only active owner.

VsCountStrum [Black Watch] March 10 2010 4:31 PM EST

I did not mean to imply that I would go around the Players Council back. Simply that it is not the only method to let your feelings/suggestions/ideas etc. be heard.

I would encourage everyone to be an active participant and help the Council as it works to help CB. However, if a person feels that the council is ignoring valid suggestions for personal advancement, that there are readily available alternatives.

Wraithlin March 10 2010 5:28 PM EST

Taking 3 people away from our already small player pool is silly.

As is anyone at all using what thier current team runs as any basis for what they argue for in the forums. I know I'm changing my strat nearly 180 degrees once I start my first NCB in a month. I don't know how you can run back to back mirror characters and not get bored to tears.

Basically, there is no incentive for a player to influence CB for thier own personal gain, because the personal gain is not permanent.

Pwned March 10 2010 5:37 PM EST

there is no incentive for a player to influence CB for thier own personal gain, because the personal gain is not permanent.

You've had your char for a couple of months.... others have had theirs for over 5 years...some are permanent. People put in alot of time and money into this game.

three4thsforsaken March 10 2010 6:41 PM EST

I really fail to see how being on the player council is an advantage. All they do is act as a filter on the very very tired ears of NS and Jon.

It also just so happens that all members have very different playing styles so it is likely that if your idea isn't completely bonkers then it'll get legitimately heard, no one is going to try to skew the game in their direction.

And even if they do, it doesn't even matter since Jon and NS are the ones doing the coding.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] March 10 2010 6:45 PM EST

You've had your char for a couple of months.... others have had theirs for over 5 years...some are permanent. People put in a lot of time and money into this game.

True but what is worth more to me, a Char or the Game I Love to play? Even if I Love my Char and have had it for X amount of years what is it worth if only 5 people are playing or the game bottoms out?

If you want to look at it from a long term investment standpoint, you would want the game going for as long as possible to get the best return. Whether it is MPR, Tat Lvls, or CBD accumulation it doesn't matter.

Either Way CB has to Come first or it is not even worth it.

Just my opinion........

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] March 10 2010 7:09 PM EST

well, ive been in cb2 4 days longer then Zen(:P). and i have to say im not here for the character at all. i have carp items and screw up my characters frequently just to see what combos help or hurt. Im not here to make money or friends. though meeting like minded people whom i dont mind conversing with is a bonus.

As far as another council, have fun. just another thing to keep all you guys busy. :P
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