NCB Suck (in Debates)


Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] April 25 2010 12:01 AM EDT

This comes from a Vet CB players, and I always start a new character bonus, because after the NCB, with the arguement 'is over whats the point'. its the same with NUBs whats the point. It makes me want to leave or start a new NCB. Im just an average player playing at an average speed. six months and ive grinded so much that ive balanced social life with cb over the 7 years. and cb still sucks after the ncb is gone. mind you if only because i find that 5million score range it over populated with people trying to grow but can with no decent challenge bonus, there is like a ceiling and i cant obtain new opponents for better challenge bonus . it blows. there is nothing in this game that makes me feel that for as many ba that ive burned validated. nub is the way to go at this point of the life of the game. its a dead horse with medical attention possible to keep it on auxillary power output.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] April 25 2010 12:06 AM EDT

I personally love the NCB :).

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] April 25 2010 3:42 AM EDT

NCB may suck but sentences and paragraphs rule!

QBRanger April 25 2010 10:32 AM EDT

What exactly is your problem with the NCB?

Is it the cost of BA?

Is it the fact you actually have to play every day to grow?

Is it the fact you go from super bonus to normal rewards overnight when the N*B is done?

If it is the last question, I 100% agree and have for years advocated a rolling bonus that tapers as one gets near the top ranks. However, while this have caught on with the playing players, the developers do not embrace this idea saying it will lead to laziness.

Also, I agree that paragraphs make things much easier for us unedicated people to read and understand.

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] April 25 2010 10:50 AM EDT

its not the cost, not the growing for the most part. its the broken beginning. the giant dead pool in the 5mil to 6mil score with pr ranging from 2mil to 7mil. and the crappy challenge bonus there.

I just dont find it a decent attempt for anyone to make it close to the top. mind you this is from my perspective not spending absurd amounts on cbd.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 25 2010 11:07 AM EDT

it would appear that you got about half as big as i did with my most recent run and that you used about half as much ba. i also bought none other than putting battle rewards back during xp time. i missed very little natural ba regen.

if it was scaled to where someone could get close to the top using only about half of their ba, wouldn't that throw those using all their ba over the top mpr and someone willing to put usd into a run would likely shoot way over the top?

moskel April 25 2010 12:45 PM EDT

I'm brand new to CB, 25 days in so far and up to 1M score, 525k MPR. If my progression continues on the same lines I'll end up at 7.2M score, 3.8M MPR at the end of NUB. I haven't taken any free equipment or CBD loans so far and I only spent the $11 to get a fight list essentially. It doesn't feel like I should shoot straight to the top at the end of NUB, where it looks like I'll end up is fine.

As dude said since it is based on days and not number of challenges you have to spend BA during NUB/NCB or you'll end up gimped compared to people that do spend it. One potential change could be that instead of making NUB/NCB based on a day range it is for the first X number of challenges you make. This would also allow new players to play around with the forge and other aspects of the game. Because of the way it is now I'll only spend BA on fighting for the next 155 days still.

Demigod April 25 2010 1:26 PM EDT

FYI, Mosk, you'll fall a bit short of that. The skyrocketing NUB tapers off a bit as you go along, but it's still insanely powerful.

While it seems odd to get that high, the original developer considers it a one-shot deal. If you plan ahead and work hard to burn every bit of BA, then you're rewarded greatly. If you slack off or screw up, that NUB is lost forever. You can still run its counterpart, the NCB, but it's not even remotely the same. The NCB give the same huge bonus, but you have to pay five times the normal cost of for extra BA, which is free for NUBs. Also, there's no bonus for monetary rewards.

Zenai April 25 2010 1:32 PM EDT

It is all about Perspective my friend.

If you go into this saying "I will lose" then you will lose.
If you go into this saying "I will win" then you will win.


But you Have to put Effort behind that Perspective.

If you say "I will win" all day long put no effort in then expect Failure.
If you say "I will win" and put in some effort then expect success.


Preparation

Without Proper Preparation then you will Fail period. This is not just for getting the right equipment although this is of course a must.you know where the Problems are you have mentioned some of them already make a way around them.No matter how weird or unusual your way might be it doesn't matter it is the end result that does.


Consistency

Make a Plan and do not deviate unless absolutely necessary.Stick to your Guns or you will not make the Progress you have aimed for which in turn leads to failure. Work Towards a Goal and stay focused on it.


Goal Setting

Set an unrealistic Goal for yourself and you will fail.
Set a Realistic Goal and you will Succeed.


Long Term/Short Term Goals

Short Term Goals are great but do not meet Long Term Needs.
Long Term Goals are Great but do not meet Short term Needs.

You will need to set Short Term and Long Term Goals, the Combination of Both is necessary for success.


Adaptation


The inability or want of some to Adapt their Strategy is one of the biggest reasons people fail in this game. Failure to Adapt will destroy a Strategy Period.


Planning


Look at what you want to do then put in the work to make it happen. Everything I have mentioned comes into play. Know that not all plans are not absolute and are subject to some change and deviation. If
possible include some breathing room.



Where there is a will there is a way. If you have no Will of course everything will fall apart.



Finally


Know your Limits and Accept them.


This is by far the HARDEST thing for people in this game to do. Everyone wants to be the winner/top dog. The problem with this is that this is impossible to do because it is an open game. Sooner or later someone will surpass you. Sometimes other people have a better plan or way to get what they want and they beat you to the punch.

The real Perspective that should be asked here is:

Did you do your best?
Are you continuing to do your best?
Are you having fun competing the way you are?

If you can answer "Yes" to these questions then why worry about the Top Spot or Ranks.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] April 25 2010 1:36 PM EDT

"the giant dead pool in the 5mil to 6mil score with pr ranging from 2mil to 7mil. and the crappy challenge bonus there."

Ah my friend you have no idea about the dead zone with the crappy bonus. Although at the moment the scores are messed up and the bonus isn't as high as it would have been a month ago; it is way better than what it use to be with the true dead zone. We used to have negative challenge bonus and had to claw our way to 6/20.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 25 2010 4:10 PM EDT

"Preparation

Without Proper Preparation then you will Fail period. This is not just for getting the right equipment although this is of course a must."

Yeah.

(not to flog a dead horse...)

You also need to take 6 days to save up 1600 BA for a wacky XP time, and ask/pay for Gimped Charctaers to beat on.

Also asking/paying for others to save up 1600BA and transfering your character around helpsa buch as well.

Zenai April 25 2010 5:05 PM EDT

(not to flog a dead horse...)


Yeah sure GL.

1600 BA for Wacky Exp Time sure the other is not necessary under 9/10ths of circumstances.

Of course that still falls under the:

"Know your Limits and Accept them." Clause/Rule.


Besides beating dead horses suck.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 25 2010 5:10 PM EDT

You can't seperate them Z.

Either preperation is rocking up with 160 BA and the cash/items you had left over from your last run.

Or it encompases everything you can possibly do to prepare yourslef.

Which is multiple 1600BA sets, gimped high characters, As much CBD bought with USD to buy daily BA every day of your bonus run and whatever other shenanigans you can 'ligitimately' get away with.

Zenai April 25 2010 7:50 PM EDT

You can't separate them Z.


Yes of course you can. This falls under one thing and one thing only.


"Know your Limits and Accept them."


You do not HAVE to do anything unless it is what you have set up for yourself. This is why everything I mentioned plays such a huge role in what you do. You decide the Factors you Face and how you deal with them.

There is only one thing that you have control over:


That is your own actions.


If you Worry over what everyone else is doing and not paying attention to what you are doing then yes Failure is a surety.

KINGSLAUGHTER April 25 2010 8:04 PM EDT

Maybe if your bored you should ask for more tournaments.

I know the feeling. But you have played for 7 years and I don't think its the NCB that bothers you.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 26 2010 3:18 AM EDT

You do not HAVE to do anything


Yeah, we don't have to play. ;)

DoS [Demon Forging] April 26 2010 3:30 AM EDT

You also need to take 6 days to save up 1600 BA for a wacky XP time, and ask/pay for Gimped Charctaers to beat on.


Okay GL, you don't need to beat on gimped characters to do well in the lower tier of the game. I'm tired of constantly seeing the success of an NCB based (in the eyes) solely on this. It really isn't the case. In my case, I bashed on a gimped character for my BA, but if that gimped character hadn't be offered to me, then I would have been able to maintain a high CB the whole 1600 BA.

If you want to do better in the lower tier of the game, play in more tournaments. It takes a lot of time looking through characters, but once you find some, you are good for a while.

Zenai April 26 2010 6:50 AM EDT

Yeah, we don't have to play. ;)



There is only one thing that you have control over:

That is your own actions.


Of Course this is something that you can do GL.


It is all about Perspective my friend.

If you go into this saying "I will lose" then you will lose.


If you base your success off of one or two others actions then you have set yourself up for failure with a defeatist attitude right from the start.


Every Single thing that I have mentioned is there GL if you choose not to heed them then that is your own fault. Failure will be assured if this is the route that you choose to take.


All of it Opens and Closes with Perspective.

This means in the end everything is on you.......Success or Failure.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 26 2010 7:31 AM EDT

LoL!

Unless you're subject to any sort of outside influence, or act of God, of course.

Zenai April 26 2010 10:18 AM EDT

Unless you're subject to any sort of outside influence, or act of God, of course


The Choice of how you Act and React even under these circumstances is still up to you.

Demigod April 26 2010 10:35 AM EDT

I'm not really sure what this argument is about. No, you don't have to use questionable tactics to run a successful NCB, but since it's approved by the admins, it's foolish not to do so.

We've seen plenty of players run clean NCBs and do quite well, but since the game now supports 1600 BA, gimping characters, and swapping, it ultimately falls under Zen's category of "Preparation."

Quite frankly, I don't mind 1600 BA, but I hate the ideas of gimping and swapping. But that's just my opinion. And given the choice between halting the "dirty" tactics or making another change, I'd prefer to see the scoring system not be so easily manipulated or not have a large effect on MPR growth.

QBOddBird April 26 2010 11:52 AM EDT

The Choice of how you Act and React even under these circumstances is still up to you.


Yeah, if today's Boobquake causes a 8.0 on the Richter, you better get your butt up to an internet cafe or the failure is on YOU.

TheHatchetman April 26 2010 12:48 PM EDT

or take the loss of BA and go in search of the massive pair that could cause such a boobquake?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 26 2010 12:49 PM EDT

does your boobquake bring all the ncb's to the yard?

Invader Sye April 26 2010 12:51 PM EDT

yes... yes it does

Zenai April 26 2010 1:10 PM EDT

Yeah, if today's Boobquake causes a 8.0 on the Richter, you better get your butt up to an internet cafe or the failure is on YOU.


Exactly OB Exactly /Sarcasm. RL issues take precedence over a game but how you act and react is still on you. It doesn't change because of circumstances the outcomes simply have a bigger impact.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 7:42 AM EDT

OB... That whole boobquake thing was serious!!

It was reported today in the Metro. I could go dig out a quote if you're interested. ;)

QBOddBird April 27 2010 8:30 AM EDT

Found it GL, as well as the resulting quake. XD

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 27 2010 10:18 AM EDT

i tried to read the article but couldn't scroll down past the picture! ; (

Zenai April 27 2010 12:45 PM EDT

No Offense Intendedx for anyone here.

GL/Save Often: Your NCB either didn't go the way you wanted or you are Jealous that someone could do what you couldn't or didn't want to do. Big Deal Accept it and Strive to do better if you can now or the next time.

OB: Although a nice attempt at alleviating a potentially progressive problem understand there is a time and place. This is not it bro. Joking around is avoidance which is completely unnecessary, GL and everyone else that is in the same boat needs to face the truth of what I am saying. The people that complain or vent about things of this nature need to understand where to place the blame l. Please do not distract them from it or take away from the gravity of the situation.

Dudemus: Seriously you are straying from the subject. Something that has this kind of gravity on the way people view and play the game on an overall and you are allowing yourself to become distracted by something not even remotely related?


You may thinki I'm taking this out of key but honestly I am fed up with people either Blaming the Game, the Devs, or others actions for things that honestly they could have either done or alleviated themselves by Following the Original Reply that I gave. It is deplorable that this has become accepted as normal to blame everything and everyone else rather than taking responsibility for their own actions and accepting their limits.

/rant over

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 12:54 PM EDT

I'm sorry Z, you're wrong about this.

It's the game, not the players. We can *only* work with what we've got.

Positive thinking cannot change game mechanics. Sure we can make the most of what we have, but that's not the same really.

Zenai April 27 2010 1:10 PM EDT

GL: You cannot be Serious. All games have lim/its placed on them by Mechanics none of which should spurn you into Negative Action through psycological control. You simply follow the guidlines given and play. Acceptance of this and changes made to said guidliines is key.

No nothing is perfect and expecting that is completely illogical once again acceptance comes into play. Acting out because you do not like something is wrong. Saying it is everyone else's fault for the actions you take is wrong. Blaming a game for not doing exactly what you want is wrong.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 1:20 PM EDT

I am serious.

My love for CB encourages me to push to get it improved.

Z, you might not be used ot it, but the low game sucks. It's not fun. It's not appealing, and it's the first place that new players see and experience.

There is nothing positive about keeping the game the way it is.

And until the game changes, or I'm banned, I will continue to push for improvments in the game I love.

Zenai April 27 2010 1:30 PM EDT

Never said that GL and for the record yes I do know about the lower game quite well thankyou very much. I never said not to push for improvements. What I did say is that it cannot/should not make you do a negative thing. Pushing for improvements are a positive step but doing it in a negative way cancels it out. Accept it for what it is and IF you can get a change do it in a positive way. Don't blame others, the game or anything else for your negative actions because it is YOU that CHOOSES to act that way. Get my Point?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 1:38 PM EDT

What's a negative action?

Complaining?

What's the difference between complaining, criticising and whining?

How about frustrations impact?

Would you rather players lost thier passion for CB and no longer bothered to 'try', as they have already critiqued and did so ages ago, with no apparent outcome?

We should probably put a sticky in the new players forum, telling all about the low game, how to avoid it, to ask for high level targets to beat (or for other players to reveal thier list of targets to them).

I play CB. I do what I want in it that's fun for me. I set my own goals, and my own objectives. I'm neither Jealous, nor evnious. But I make do with what I have to play with, and am frustrated that CB could be so much more, but it isn't.

And you could probably call me an excentric, but I do't tihn I'm the only player that feels the way I do.

And positive thinking has got us how far in the last couple of years?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 27 2010 1:47 PM EDT

it seems to me that the thread is getting a bit personal and has lost any semblance of productivity long ago. lock please?

Zenai April 27 2010 2:12 PM EDT

Dudemus: This is productive as it is bringing the right things to the forefront. No it is not personal although it could be perceived as such.


GL: Things indeed have changed and accepting that change is the first thing that needs to happen. You said yourself that you set your own goals that you achieve. You WISH that CB could be better. You know that ppl have Critiqued and Complained about things. That positive nothing has caused any thing to come about. That Passion for/the game is why you and others act the way you do.


First that is a Cop Out for acting Negatively and getting away with it. Second Positive things have gotten plenty of things done just not in the time frame you think it should have. Third it is still your choice in how you act and continuously repeating the same Critiques is a bit ....redundent. Kindda like how I have repeated things in this thread....seems like I'm talking down to you right? Well repeated Threads on the same stuff is just the same to the Devs,after a while they tune it out because they already iknow that song and dance. Changes will come as soon as they are able to be implemented. Acting negatively will not speed up this process, it is likely to slow it down.

Be Passionate, Love the Game, Push for Changes, Be the Quintessential CBer but Do it the right way. Take Responsibility for your own actions. Don't cast blame on the Devs, The Game or Others. Do things in a Positive way because Negative things only bring about more Negative things. Accept that the game doesn't run off of your whims but rather what is accepted as a good well thought out idea that can be merged into the system without serious problems.


Not all change is good and not all lack of change is bad and vice versa, acceptance is key.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 27 2010 2:20 PM EDT

what exactly is this "right" thing that only the wise one can bring to the forefront? : )

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 27 2010 2:29 PM EDT

You cannot say that nothing has been done to address the lower level game. Score drain from tourney characters should be removed as of this coming tourney.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 2:34 PM EDT

No it is not personal although it could be perceived as such.


Totally agreed. ;) I'm not tkaing this personally, and I hope Z isn't either. ;)

That being said;
First that is a Cop Out for acting Negatively and getting away with it.


What's negative? I asked that above. I have at times even lampooned Jon to get a response (Armor Changes 4, spoof about gettign rid of the then Cloak of Balrog flame. I copied Jon's user pic, but held off of a name change)

The item was changed. Did my post help the decision along? Maybe, maybe not. But I acted instead of being passive about something I felt was important.
Second Positive things have gotten plenty of things done just not in the time frame you think it should have.


They've also got them done in the timeframes I expected. This doesn't really mean anything.
Third it is still your choice in how you act and continuously repeating the same Critiques is a bit ....redundent.


Yes. But when nothing happens, the other alternative is to remain passive, and not contribute. Which leads to less participation. And we don't want that, with our shrinking playerbase.
Well repeated Threads on the same stuff is just the same to the Devs,after a while they tune it out because they already iknow that song and dance. Changes will come as soon as they are able to be implemented. Acting negatively will not speed up this process, it is likely to slow it down.


What's negative? And some stuff *doesn't* happen, becuase it's missed or forgotten about.

I don't want the things important to me to be missd due to being forgotten.

So I aim to not let them. ;) Sometimes I humourous about it, sometimes I'm frustrated in the way I bring them to light.
Don't cast blame on the Devs, The Game or Others.


Blame? If I could make changes to the game, I would. I can't, and there are only two people that can.
Do things in a Positive way because Negative things only bring about more Negative things.


What's negative?
Accept that the game doesn't run off of your whims but rather what is accepted as a good well thought out idea that can be merged into the system without serious problems.


I put all my effort into makign my thoughts about mechanics unbiased and objective. Not a subjective effort to improve my position.
Not all change is good and not all lack of change is bad and vice versa, acceptance is key.


Granted.

But there are detrimental things to the game, that need to be changed. Have needed to be changed. And are still the way they are.

And if this stuff isn't detrimental, you'ld think that there wouldn't be so many players with the same opinion, and that we'd be thriving with new players.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 2:35 PM EDT

You cannot say that nothing has been done to address the lower level game. Score drain from tourney characters should be removed as of this coming tourney.


As I said in another thread, this is an awesome incoming change.

But it's only part of the parcel. It stops the problem getting worse, but doesn't fix the damage already done.

Zenai April 27 2010 6:26 PM EDT

No I wouldn't take a General convo Personal :-)

Although I do think this has gotten to the point that this thread should be moved to Debates.

And positive thinking has got us how far in the last couple of years?



This is what I was referring to GL. Overall this to me says that you advocate Negative Responses due to the inability to get one from a previous Positive Response. That to me is the wrong message to send out to CB on an Overall and should not be the thing that is accepted as a norm for anything.


They've also got them done in the time frames I expected. This doesn't really mean anything.




Of Course it does GL. This means that the time frame is open. Some things take longer than expected by most that includes you too. Aside from this I would also like to point out that Jon and NS and everyone that is an Admin and on the CPC are Volunteering their spare time this meant it is sporadic at best.


Yes. But when nothing happens, the other alternative is to remain passive, and not contribute. Which leads to less participation. And we don't want that, with our shrinking player base.




Um not necessarily my friend. there are many other constructive ways to get things done in a positive way all it takes is some of what you have already done, Imaginative/Creative Thinking.


What's negative? And some stuff *doesn't* happen, because it's missed or forgotten about. I don't want the things important to me to be missed due to being forgotten.



No need for this any more my friend. This is one of the main reasons that the CPC was created so things wouldn't be forgotten. We dig, catalog, and reference just about everything here in CB. Although a few good things to do from now on for the Entire site is to put "Blah Idea:" In the from of your Threads Name this way it is much easier to find and catalog.


So I aim to not let them. ;) Sometimes I humorous about it, sometimes I'm frustrated in the way I bring them to light.



The first part of this I think is a great positive way to bring things back to the table, the Second though is not. Honestly I can understand Frustrations however this does not mean that it is ok to just throw out a ton of negativity. All I'm saying is to find a better way.

Blame? If I could make changes to the game, I would. I can't, and there are only two people that can.



Indeed and they have full plates dealing with life as it is. The way you act/react is on you no one can make a decision for you they can only do what I have been doing and that is advising a more constructive and positive way to do things.


I put all my effort into making my thoughts about mechanics unbiased and objective. Not a subjective effort to improve my position.



Never said that but your actions say that if it is not in the nebulous time frame you have set or in the way you think it should happen then you are gonna take steps to get them changed whether positive or negative. This does indeed fall under that category GL.


But there are detrimental things to the game, that need to be changed. Have needed to be changed. And are still the way they are. And if this stuff isn't detrimental, you'd think that there wouldn't be so many players with the same opinion, and that we'd be thriving with new players.



Still falls under the same category as your above Statement. This is not on a Time Standard Nor Change that you set, it is under a Time Standard or Change that is able to be achieved by Jon/NS when THEY are able to do so. Not a Year(s), Month(s), Week(s), Day(s), Hour(s), Minute(s), or Second(s) Sooner no matter how much you or anyone for that matter likes it or not. Plain and Simple Accept it and if you Push for something in a Positive/Constructive way and it gets implemented then awesome but don't throw a fit if it doesn't either it will not change the outcome.


It stops the problem getting worse, but doesn't fix the damage already done.



Um yes and no, see sometimes damage will even itself out in a game like this it only takes time. This also doesn't mean that nothing else is in the works to get it taken care of more quickly. Still a reference to Changes/Time Frames above applies.



Bottom line Bro and for everyone this begins and ends with one thing Perception. The only Perception that you can control is your own. By default the only actions you can control is your own. Does this mean that you have to stagnate no, but it does mean to accept where things are. You can STILL strive to improve things but at the same time with this mentality you will not have negativity to go with it in everything you do. Am I saying you have to do it? No, but what I am saying is that this will make transitioning into and out of changes easier.It will also will help a great deal more than being mad, frustrated, angry or Jaded. It is merely a suggested guideline that I (and a few others) have used and find it to be far more appealing than the alternatives. Guideline or not though it still makes it no less true you are the author of your own Thoughts/Perceptions/Actions. There are no ifs, and's, but's or however's about it Nothing and No One can make you do squat but you.


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 27 2010 7:35 PM EDT

Aside from this I would also like to point out that Jon and NS and everyone that is an Admin and on the CPC are Volunteering their spare time this meant it is sporadic at best.


Yes, understood, noted and mentioned above. If the case is too much work, and not enough hands, get more hands.
All I'm saying is to find a better way.


There is only so many times you do something, without seeing a return, before you just decide to stop. Some petinent exmaples are players past.
This also doesn't mean that nothing else is in the works to get it taken care of more quickly.


Is there? We don't know. We (the playerbase) majoritively have *no* idea what's planned or in the works. This was recently bought up for discussion, I refer you back to that thread.

Now while these answers might paint me in a 'negative' light, the point was that the idea that 'positive mental thinking' doesn't really do anything. It's akin to sticking your head in the sand, and waiting for something to happen.

I'd rather encourage and promote improvement.

And if the method of change is to highlight the ugly underbelly, until it can't be left unnoticed and untouhed, then so be it.

Zenai April 27 2010 7:54 PM EDT

Yes, understood, noted and mentioned above. If the case is too much work, and not enough hands, get more hands.



Been brought to the table my friend. Once again this is about a Time Frame/Change that is not on our Schedule but someone elses.

There is only so many times you do something, without seeing a return, before you just decide to stop. Some pertinent examples are players past.



there is always something that can be done. It's all a matter of how you Perceive things. More can be done it is a matter of finding a new way to do it.

Is there? We don't know. We (the player base) majority have *no* idea what's planned or in the works. This was recently bought up for discussion, I refer you back to that thread.



Um That is another thread I am Addressing this one so I will stick to this one thanks. As far as knowing things do not think that the CPC or the Admins know any more than what the Devs allow us to know which may not be any more than you(The Player base.)

Now while these answers might paint me in a 'negative' light, the point was that the idea that 'positive mental thinking' doesn't really do anything. It's akin to sticking your head in the sand, and waiting for something to happen. I'd rather encourage and promote improvement.



Oh what a Cop Out by Saying that if I cannot act Negatively then I cannot act on Changing things. Positive Thinking lead to Positive Actions which Get quite a bit more done than being Negative.


And if the method of change is to highlight the ugly underbelly, until it can't be left unnoticed and untouched, then so be it.



Um that is Perception my friend and you can give whatever name to it that you choose that does not make it any more true. It is what it is and when you can accept this then you can move forward without having or needing to do anything negative to get responses. Negative things may very well in turn yield negative responses which is counterproductive. Still though it is a choice that is yours to make but remember that it is YOUR choice nothing made you do it but you. NOTHING.

QBOddBird April 28 2010 9:05 AM EDT

OB: Although a nice attempt at alleviating a potentially progressive problem understand there is a time and place. This is not it bro. Joking around is avoidance which is completely unnecessary, GL and everyone else that is in the same boat needs to face the truth of what I am saying. The people that complain or vent about things of this nature need to understand where to place the blame l. Please do not distract them from it or take away from the gravity of the situation.


I'd just like to remind you that "the gravity of the situation" is in the context of an online GAME. Really dude, lighten up a bit. We all know the NCB sucks. Nobody's learning anything new about that. If you want to vent, don't get mad if I lighten the mood a bit, because I'm not going to let my own mood depress simply because you're being a downer, eh?

I'd also like to remind you that "the truth of what you are saying" is an opinion, and you cannot force someone else to accept your opinions as truth, merely persuade them to try to see your point of view.

And to input my own feelings on the matter, I hate the NCB because it's the only way to truly make up any ground on your ranking in the MPR boards without grinding at a pace that would put you 3 spots higher in a decade; your only option is, essentially, to start a new character from the ground up and try again. I -HATE- the "you failed, start over again" mentality.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 28 2010 9:12 AM EDT

Z, is leaving the game a positive action?

It's something that we can control, on our timeframe, made by our perceptions and our decisions.

If this will garner any more active gameplay changes in CB, I'll happily leave the game now to facilitate it.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 28 2010 11:48 AM EDT

In the past 6 months I have gotten from 7th in mpr to 4th without any bonus and this is with 2 more people hiring to get ahead of me temporarily. So it is certainly possible to move through the ranks. It is actually easier in the lower ranks than the higher ones as there are more options open there.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] April 28 2010 11:57 AM EDT

Well, NCB may suck, but its great for rune/tat buffing. Ive taken advantage of the better xp to build up about 6. Trying to stage em for a good run eventually. That way I only lose some of their potency for a short amount of time. Also spent alot on Auction items and blacksmithing for the next NCB incarnation...

Ok, Ya, it's not as good as NUB. But make the best of what we are allowed.. They dont have to give us NCB, it's a perk, a bonus. Feel lucky we get anything at all.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] April 28 2010 11:59 AM EDT

Personally im cool if they took em both away. would cut down on the NUB sellout issue.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] April 28 2010 12:03 PM EDT

Or change NUB to have significantly worse money return then the NCB. that might also solve that issue. That would force NUB's to either invest in CB or tough it out until the come out of NUB.

Zenai April 29 2010 12:30 AM EDT

I'd just like to remind you that "the gravity of the situation" is in the context of an online GAME. Really dude, lighten up a bit. We all know the NCB sucks. Nobody's learning anything new about that. If you want to vent, don't get mad if I lighten the mood a bit, because I'm not going to let my own mood depress simply because you're being a downer, eh?

That this is a game makes it no less important to those who play it and are serious/passionate about it. Aside from this don't try to say I am a downer when I prefer to stick to the subject and call you on it when you don't. You can go and have fun/not get depressed in a different Thread or in Chat just fine without disrupting a perfectly good conversation thank you very much.


I'd also like to remind you that "the truth of what you are saying" is an opinion, and you cannot force someone else to accept your opinions as truth, merely persuade them to try to see your point of view.


Never said I was trying to force someone to do squat I simply pointed something out and Said here is some Guidelines and then I refused to accept some cheap answers/Cop Outs. There is Perceptive Truth and Absolute Truth, one can be changed by thought the other Cannot be changed by Thought/Perception. "I hate Hotdogs." now that is a Perceptive Truth, "What goes up must come down." that is a Absolute Truth. See the difference? He said the Game Made him/others do this or that, That Sir is a Perceptive Truth, That NOTHING can FORCE you to Make a DECISION but YOU is an Absolute Truth. Put a Gun to Someones head and Say you must say this or else, guess what they can still tell you to take a Long Walk off a Short Pier. It is a matter of Choice and that Choice can only be made by YOU in the end no matter what because the Choice is in a Game makes it no different.



And to input my own feelings on the matter, I hate the NCB because it's the only way to truly make up any ground on your ranking in the MPR boards without grinding at a pace that would put you 3 spots higher in a decade; your only option is, essentially, to start a new character from the ground up and try again. I -HATE- the "you failed, start over again" mentality.


Well I believe Natasha made a good point I'll Concede/defer to that post.


Z, is leaving the game a positive action?

Baiting doesn't become you GL but never-the-less I'll bite. It is dependent GL some People should indeed leave for a while and come back with a fresh perspective however that is a personal perception of mine. On another side of this I would say that if this is something you are considering then that is your own choice I can say you would be missed and ask that you stay but in the end that is on you. If you are saying players Leaving Spurns Changes then you are wrong. Bottom line bro what makes Changes viable in any set way of thinking is the Amount of time Jon/NS have to pour into CB. So if you truly want to ask that question ask Jon/NS otherwise do what Sparticus has done, make due with what we have. I'll further it by adding in "and be happy if we get a change that you like."

Personal Perception Here: Although I have to say We have had plenty of Changes as of late and that NS has been working pretty hard for CB and honestly should be getting a lot of High 5's and Back Pats for it. Having constant/incessant complaints about what he is NOT changing really sucks when you put the light on the situation to cast that Shadow eh? Changes will come when they come throwing a temper tantrum will not speed the process up any. More things are here than before and because of this slowly things are getting better as a result. Have a bit more patience is what I am saying to you and everyone else.

QBOddBird April 29 2010 2:14 AM EDT

That this is a game makes it no less important to those who play it and are serious/passionate about it. Aside from this don't try to say I am a downer when I prefer to stick to the subject and call you on it when you don't. You can go and have fun/not get depressed in a different Thread or in Chat just fine without disrupting a perfectly good conversation thank you very much.

Dude, seriously, pull the stick from your [edit]? I'm just trying to remind you that no matter how serious/passionate about it you are, it is a game, and I have every right to be unserious/unpassionate about it. Believe it or not, if my post is relevant to the point at hand you have no right to judge it simply because it's a bit on the jokey side. Chill man, nobody's out to get you, and the conversation wasn't disrupted from what I can see.

Another good reason to leave CB: people here are too [edit] stiff about everything. Seriously. (I apologize for the language, it's a combination of forgetting the fact that we pretend everyone here is under the age of 13 and the realization that I don't care once I do remember that.)

I'm still all for an alternative to the NCB, though the Rolling Bonus will never be accepted as an alternative; I'm working on figuring up a decent alternative concept as we speak (and when I have free time.)

Cheers, I hope your panties aren't shoved too far [edit] from my blunt posting. :) Try enjoying the game a little instead of letting it stress you out!

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 29 2010 3:55 AM EDT

Baiting doesn't become you GL

Sorry Z, I apologise for the bait.

But it was more of an extreme example of what measures are under our control, and how after we exaust most avenues, 'voting with our feet' is usually what we have left.

And I don't tihnk that's a positive thing to do. ;)

Still, I rankle at the idea that positive thinking will cure all. This reminds me of a colleuge from an old workplace. (Please ignore the following refernce to religion, it's not overly pertinent to the point) He was a devout Christian, and was safe and secure in the knoweldge that God would provide for him.

He was so secure in this beleif, he used to come to work with no Lunch, and no money to buy lunch.

Another colleuge would usualy share home cooked meals with him, out of Christian charity.

And his positive thoughts were realised, through no action on his part.

Some, might have just called this cheap, lazy sponging.

Zenai April 29 2010 7:24 AM EDT

Try enjoying the game a little instead of letting it stress you out!

I was doing just fine until you came in and disrupted the conversation OB. Stop trying to put me in a chair that I was never in until your antics and further posting telling me what you thought my intentions/feelings are. Now either Join the Actual Conversation or leave it rather than attempting personal shots at me while intermingling partial thoughts on things barely related to this thread has evolved into.

As a side note: Sometimes people enjoy a good debate and sidetracking from said Debate is frustrating to say the least. I called you on that and asked for you to stop politely. Regardless of what you think is where on my anatomy has no bearing on the Subject matter. Also if you cannot keep your Composure regardless of the PG-13 Rule then maybe this is not the Thread for you to Post in eh?


Still, I rankle at the idea that positive thinking will cure all.


I understand your point GL, however, there is a bit of a difference in what I have been saying and what that guy did. I'm not saying to not act all I'm saying is to act positively. It all starts with how you think, a positive though leads towards a positive action.

QBRanger April 29 2010 9:06 AM EDT

It has gotten to the point where if you say anything negative about the game or another person's idea, people jump all over you.

Negative feedback is sometimes a lot more helpful than positive "Rah Rah everything is just great" feedback.

Zenai April 29 2010 10:09 AM EDT

It has gotten to the point where if you say anything negative about the game or another people jump all over you.

Well that should be an indicator that things are changing and people are tired of all the negativity. There is a time and place for everything an honestly Negativity at this point has to take a back seat. Our Community is a bit too smallfor it to be so prolific.


Negative feedback is sometimes a lot more helpful than positive "Rah Rah everything is just great" feedback.

True I will grant you that but once again there is a time and place. Negativity has become a crutch for some and an excuse for others to act out and be negative in everything they say and do. That is a Cop Out for finding a Positive way to do things. Am I saying that everything should be hunky dory an no change or action should ever be taken? No that is just as Counter Productive as Full on Negativity. There is a better way to do things WITHOUT 10 Tons of Negativity coming out of the Pores of Every Thread and Post.

Positive is What CB needs right now and Known Issues, Problems, and Half a Dozen other things that are Negative in Nature can be handled in a Positive Way. I have heard it for quite a while people are tired of the negativity and this above all is why they leave and NPs skate. Is this the Games fault? No Is it Jon/NS' fault? No. Is it the players Fault?

Yes It is indeed on us and it is time that we clean up the mess we have made. Stop Blaming everything on everything else and take a look at ourselves. Things have changed we need to accept that the old Days are old. We can still make things work for the betterment of all if we realise that it is up to us and take responsibility for our actions and hold others responsible for thiers. Do we have restrictions? Yes as we do in ALL things in life. But this doesn't mean that we cannot act positively within them.

The Guidelines I Posted Originally apply to many things in the game and Honestly in Life It is Ultimately up to us to make the decision. Do we make mistakes and fall short? Yes of Course to be human is to err. However this should be a lesson learned not a situation repeated in a constant negative manner nor should it become an accepted norm.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 29 2010 10:32 AM EDT

Z, take a look at the positivity in the rence changelog threads.

It's still here, in CB. We just need a reason to be jubilant and show it.

And when it's there, we do.

But when there's something bad or broken so that it *negatively* impacts our gameplay experience (like a Tank facing an EXBow, for exmaple only), the problem itself bleeds negativity to the player.

Change the negative aspects of the game, and the positive vibe returns.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 29 2010 10:40 AM EDT

There is great divide between what you did Ranger and pointing out issues. Comparing the two is comparing Ann Coulter and Anne Frank.

Zenai April 29 2010 10:47 AM EDT

GL: I've been down that line trust me. Still though it is up to us to allow it to affect us in the first place no matter how you cut this pie. To further this it is up to us. To Choose what actions or lack thereof. That we take. Nothing nor Anyone can Force us to do Anything.

And honestly just because something is a negative impact does this means you should act. Or have a free pass to act negatively? No Can it be handled in a positive way? Yes
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