Farmed! (in General)


Godpanda May 6 2010 11:37 PM EDT

Haha. Really, this is just a ever so slight rant.

For the month, I've been farmed for over 58,000 Clan Points. There are, last time I checked, about 5 players who are feeling similar pain to this (My sympathies to you all!)

I'm also currently the 5th place clan MVP for the month. With nothing to show for it, except for the fact that at least my clan hasn't been disbanded. Yay!

My point?

Well, is there any chance we can get some sort of... Rising reduction on being hit? Not penalize attackers, but to stop individual players from being farmed so hard.

I've seen many players leaving their clans lately. And I can't help but think just being farmed too hard may be one of the causes. Thoughts? Comments?

Zippy May 6 2010 11:42 PM EDT

I have been noticing this lately too. The problem is there are not enough clan members to fight so you will find yourself on multiple fight lists. These fight lists are limited by the amount of clan members. As I see there is really no solution, just have to deal with it I suppose.

I wish there was a solution though.

Soxjr May 6 2010 11:44 PM EDT

I know what you are talking about GW. I have a clan contribution of over 60k for the month and a net of only 20k or so. In total I was farmed for over 44k. It's tough to stay in a clan if you can barely stay positive and then gosh forbid you miss a few ba and you end up negative. I know I have lost a few people off my fightlist because they stopped being in clans because of this same reason, and Freed just left our clan because he was having a hard time staying positive in the clan points area. Something needs to be looked at.

SundariZelia [The Knighthood] May 6 2010 11:47 PM EDT

I think we shouldn't be able to lose more points then we put in. It would keep people from being farmed too hard and let people take short breaks without having to leave their clan. It wouldn't really reward people that are lazy in their clans, they would always be at zero.

Demigod May 6 2010 11:59 PM EDT

Here's my current CP standing:

Demigod 3,480 (Raw)
Demigod 1,300 (Net)

I'd love to see something happen to clan points, but mostly just to shake up the system. I'm holding my clan ground, but I've got a solution in the works to ease my loss.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] May 7 2010 2:31 AM EDT

Don't lose hope.

AdminShade May 7 2010 3:38 AM EDT

User Score
Godwolf 77,766

Thats your raw CPS for the month, so you complain about people attacking you (call it farming, I call it attacking) yet you do the same to others.

My raw score is 68k yet my net score is 27.5k. I'm being attacked a tiny bit less, but I am being attacked by you. Should I complain as well?


What's the problem? I see none here.

Soxjr May 7 2010 3:44 AM EDT

The problem is there are so few targets at the top that everyone has very small fight lists and has a hard time keeping their clan score above zero. I really dislike the revolving door aspect of the NCB in that once people get done with their 6 month character they retire and start again and there goes another target. It just makes it tougher and tougher to fight up top. Seems everyone makes a NCB and their clan shoots up because those characters aren't attacked for the first month or so so it's all bonus clan points. Where me as an older character higher up. I can't miss any ba or I'm going in the negatives. It is just tough is all I am saying. Not wrong, just tough. For everyone up in these ranks unless you are just super strong and not attacked by many, which there aren't many of those.

Godpanda May 7 2010 3:45 AM EDT

1) My CPS have to be that high. Or, you know, my clan gets disbanded. That's what hapapens when you're getting farmed harder than 80% of players earn in the first place.

2) My POINT is that the situation forces this to be this way. I complain not just for my own sake, but for the sake of everyone in a situation where they're running out of targets, so they farm fewer players harder because more players are adding them to their fight lists because there are fewer players.

A bit overly complicated, but you should see the point.

3) You're only getting attacked by me occasionally. You're off my list right now. Not to mention the fact that using that kind of data is silly.

4) Notice, I'm not upset with an individual player. I'm just wondering if the system could use some tweaking to make it so players can more easily stay in clans. Below 6 mil score, there is just a HUGE number of players not in clans. Which makes no sense, as being in a clan should be hugely beneficial. Which leads me to believe they're just not able to stay in one effectively.

Which isn't good.

sebidach [The Forgehood] May 7 2010 4:20 AM EDT

As soon as my NUB ends I wont be able to stay in a clan as I will have to use _all_ natural BA and maybe also buy some to stay positive. And I'm just annoyed from _having_ to log in every day at least 3 times. Try to explain that to the parents you are visiting. ;)

My strategy isn't the best - I know. But starting a NCB should land me even lower than my current char, so also in get-hit-hard land. Only another NCB will be the solution, when I have earned enough CB$ and invested much time during the NCB to land high enough.

No thanks: No clan it will be as soon as I'm steady in the negatives..

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 7 2010 7:57 AM EDT

Implement a Rolling bonus, encourage players not to dispose of teams, watch more players glow larger, enter the top ranks and stay there, see fight lists increase and farming lessen.

Win! ;)

Solare May 7 2010 8:29 AM EDT

I agree, and have suggested such things in the past. I'd like to see less points taken away each fight.

Zenai May 7 2010 9:26 AM EDT

GL: Maybe. Overall a focused strat can only do so much with a Rolling Bonus and let's face it people are still gonna run them.

However there could be another Solution in the mix right now. Something that we all know about and when I am able I will contribute as well. We have a definite way to help our Situation with the MPR Ladder. The NCB System even Contributes to it, Send your Chars to TP when you decide to restart. I would also think that T-Chars should be added to this list to help alleviate the problem. Bottom line though Farming no matter what you do is gonna happen folks this is a PvP Gameit is a part of what makes it what it is even from day one.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 7 2010 12:23 PM EDT

HA! You could be like some others and completely gimp your score into nothing! *cough, cough draco and mikel*..

Zenai May 7 2010 12:30 PM EDT

That is not a help to the MPR Ladder just a manipulation of it. Consider my previous post please.

Zakalwe [Heroic Method] May 7 2010 1:55 PM EDT

My feeling is that farming is not a real problem, it's just an emotional thing. Clan competition puts some emotion into the game without really having a negative impact on the progress of chars that are members of 'losing' clans.
I personally consider it a poor trade of xp to farm an opposing clan member for extra clan points but give up a huge percentage of xp in exchange. Like the guy that is now farming me that has nearly triple the MPR that I do. He's getting a small fraction added to his clan bonus (I'm guessing he's getting something other than nothing ;) ), and for each BA he spends hitting me he's getting only a small fraction of his normal xp. It's silly. In the long run it means I'll eventually catch up to him and he'll no longer be able to get any points off me at all.
In the long run the best thing you can do for your clan is to maximize your xp for every BA you spend. Trading half your xp to gain 2% clan bonus is insane.
Pretending you're hurting someone by farming them unmercifully when they're smaller than you MAY provide you some emotional satisfaction, but doesn't harm them in the least. If the unfortunate victim happens to have an ignorant clan leader and they get kicked, that's no big deal either. There's always better clans, with even two-person clans being easily competitive with the largest ones.
To reiterate my main point; the clan bonus is just a minor, almost inconsequential consideration in comparison to the challenge bonus.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 7 2010 2:53 PM EDT

You mean that change we were supposed to get before the new year about 5 months ago zenai?

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 7 2010 3:40 PM EDT

It's a clan bonus, you don't deserve it, you have to work for it and are rewarded for it. You are going to get farmed into oblivion, we all have been there. There can be only one number one.

Zenai May 7 2010 3:50 PM EDT

Kefeck: No that is something different. What I said is exactly what it is without any alluding to anything else.

QBRanger May 7 2010 4:34 PM EDT

Yes,

Let us be more cryptic about the future of CB and keep all of the people guessing at what may or may not possibly could be in store for the future.

I just love these "I know a secret" type of things. Brings me back to the good old days of 3rd grade :)

Way to get the community excited.

It has only been 3 months since the CPC has been in place. Any news on the time frame of when something will be done?

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 7 2010 4:43 PM EDT

Who's on the CPC by the way?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] May 7 2010 5:04 PM EDT

The CPC is made up of me, nov, and zen. As for a time frame. We will hopefully have something big ready for everyone in about a months time. This is by no means a strict time frame. It is merely my guess on it.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] May 7 2010 5:20 PM EDT

I just love these "I know a secret" type of things. Brings me back to the good old days of 3rd grade :)

A large part of the reason why these sort of things end up this way is because while you are working on them they end up taking on a completely different form. Some stuff once you try it out gets found out to be completely unbalanced and never gets implemented either.

If you get peoples hopes up too much about things and that thing never works out it tends to backfire. People still ask about the change that was hinted at for new years. Believe it or not the current end result has already been implemented in that tourney characters are completely removed from being able to affect the regular game. This is a far cry from what it may have looked like before. A as you are working on it becomes B then you find you need to add stuff to make it C but that doesn't work and you cut other stuff to make it D and so on until you get a final product of T or whatever.

The point is, lots of stuff never makes it beyond the testing phase and even when it does, it often is almost unrecognizable to the original idea.

TheHatchetman May 7 2010 6:05 PM EDT

It's a clan bonus, you don't deserve it, you have to work for it and are rewarded for it. You are going to get farmed into oblivion, we all have been there. There can be only one number one.

Exactly my philosophy in *most* aspects of CB... This one however tends to be an exception, due to the fact that it is REALLY easy for some to go into the negatives if they don't hit every last one of their BA, while others could miss half their spawned BA, and only buy every other day's worth and still have a higher net positive than say, Godwolf...

Sickone May 7 2010 7:01 PM EDT

+72,940
-39,142
=33,798

Not nearly quite as bad :P

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 8 2010 1:49 PM EDT

historically on cb farming has meant fighting others while they are also fighting so that you do not have to wait for the timer.

while i am not belittling your complaint, it isn't farming. it is just standard clan fighting or excessive, depending upon your stance.

AdminNightStrike May 8 2010 6:57 PM EDT

However there could be another Solution in the mix right now. Something that we all know about and when I am able I will contribute as well. We have a definite way to help our Situation with the MPR Ladder. The NCB System even Contributes to it, Send your Chars to TP when you decide to restart. I would also think that T-Chars should be added to this list to help alleviate the problem.


Zenai,

If you're referring to the fact that I said that TP could set up characters and spend BA, etc., then T_Chars will NOT be added to that list. T-Chars are permanently retired for a reason (several, really).

Zenai May 8 2010 7:42 PM EDT

Nope not as Active BA Spending Chars just for some more Targets but if that would mess up the system then eh let'em stay retired.

AdminNightStrike May 8 2010 7:46 PM EDT

Not for any reason

Zenai May 8 2010 7:58 PM EDT

Fair Enough.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 8 2010 7:59 PM EDT

Do T chars still take score away, or is that changed yet?
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