We Got the Jerk! (in Off-topic)

Osama Bin Laden is dead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-dead-killed_n_856091.html

Wow. If not for the PG filter, I'd have a very foul celebration. I'll just leave it at "hell yes."

thanks for posting that link as i just watched the speech about it via it

Truely is awesome some news!

correction: they are finally letting the public know we got him ;)

note there are no details on when or where he died (tho i am sure some fabrication will be forthcoming) & nothing was said previously that he had been found/captured/killed..only he is dead & we have the body

no matter the situation..good riddance to bad rubbish

~WC~

Its seem they have got him this friday, i guess they have run some test before going public.

Wait, what day did they get him? ::evil grin::

First of all, the Admins are the PG filter and there is no reason to just say good riddance... :)

I dont realy want to drag the forum into a endless political debate but i had to share my view on this.

O.B.L been dead and that lybia 1 of the so call ''rogue state'' ready to fall anytime soon with some help from NATO. All those revolution and chaos going on in the muslim world asking for more freedom. Palestien going for a statehood at the UN. If the usa dont screw up again in this region, we could see a end to what as start in that region in the 1950. Real stability, more freedom and economy boom could be triger in this region as in most of those country the 20 to 35 of age are the biggest demographic group. Something that is often a triger for a revolution is went your population is young and easy to mobilise. On a side note i have several person from tunis telling me that the King of Saudi Arabia is dead while he was recovering from a surgy in the USA.

I wanted to use a word other than "jerk" as well, but the useless PG rule spoils all the fun again.

A friend of mine wanted to go out for drinks to celebrate last night, but I had crappy math work to do instead.

How does this thread not have 50+ comments?

i don't believe it, i think its a doubleganger

Doppelganger. And I'm pretty sure they kept quite a bit of DNA to make certain. When the body is buried at sea, you can get away with doing that. :)

Sometimes it is not needed to have a full thread, plus it's world news instead of CB news I'd say. :)

Because nobody blamed anything on "Obama's socialist agenda" yet.

sorry, i was too busy dancing naked in the street, slamming tequila shots and shooting my revolver in the air to post...

; )

That's what I wanted to be doing. Minus the nudity.

Stupid math...

So now that OSB is "dead". Now its ok to make a game and profit from it...(CoD)

yes I did mean Oriented Strand Board :S

It's nice to know the CIA isn't too busy overthrowing dictatorships to finally get this done.

Having read too much rogue warrior back in the day I can just imagine the scene outside the compound

+1 for rouge warrior reference

uummmm rogue not rouge

(man he would probably kill me for that)

~WC~

or possibly plauge you?

nothing wrong with rouge

It is a positive day. A day for all America to take pride in a job well done!!

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/05/american-pride-is-back.html

Are we doing this?

Really? Are we really doing this?

Fine let's do this. That was frankly one of the stupidest articles I've ever read. The author, an obvious acolyte of the extreme right wing propaganda machine, is far more interested in using this opportunity to smear the "antiwar left" with the usual stereotypes they pull out of the dusty old trunk rather than show one shred of honesty.

I know why you're ticked off Ranger! It's because this week Obama and his supporters proved that every ounce of horse poop you people have been spewing about Democrats being weak and indecisive on national security is WRONG! WRONG! Like Olbermann said: "...There is right now, only one oversimplification that matters anymore: Barack Obama got Osama Bin Laden. And every other political calculation, every strategy that suggests Democratic weakness or liberal uncertainty is...as dead as Bin Laden."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/olbermann-osama-bin-laden_n_856830.html

You want to get political? Let's get political. This is a HUGE win for Barack Obama. And you, and the rest of the right can't stand it, so you do what you always do: resort to half witted and disingenuous smear tactics as a distraction.

What a shame. I was really hoping for better out of you on this day.

Iowahawk stated it far better than I could ever have.

It is a great day for our country when our Nobel PEACE Prize winning president orders a super-secret hit team to kill someone else in another country without first getting permission from the UN.

I think Obama did a great service to the country today by getting that bastard. I hope he continues using enhanced interrogation techniques, wiretaps and military hit squads to keep America save from terrorists. As all 3 of those things were essential in killing OBL.

Bout time the Democrats grew a pair and understood what has to be done to combat terrorists. Now let us hope they can see the light on the economy.

This certainly is a big win for Obama. And if he continues "see the light" as to what the real word is, instead of academia, he certainly will be reelected. And if he views continue to change, I would even consider voting for him. IF he is the better candidate.

A few points I would like to say. First Bin Laden was the leader of the organization we are officially at war with, so I see no inconsistency about doing a raid designed to capture/kill him as we are at war. We aren't at war with Libya for instance, that makes a huge difference.

Second, having a couple hundred thousand troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and combating terrorism aren't necessarily the same thing. A lot of what we have been doing in those countries has been country building. Its like a police officer who comes to someones house and knows the criminal he was chasing is hiding out in this property so they look around a bit but then they take a look at the run down house and say oh this is not acceptable, then proceed to remodel the whole house instead of concentrating everything on the job they were sent for.

Third, this is simply my opinion but America has too much pride already. We have gotten far more prideful as a country and have less substance to back it than before. Pride when you have it in abundance simply makes you blind.

Ofcourse hes dead, would be a scandal if they had interogated him, oh wait, why would they, they allready know what he could possibly say, its not useful, hes a demagog and nothing more. War with Al-Quada? Allright, im going to declare war on Boeing now, they are sovereign right? Pff, some americans. Atleast now some people can have some talking points to help summon some more interest in trying to dial back your imperialistic intentions (limited to a rural nomanland only naturally), and if eventually something goes wrong, it will be Pakistan to blame, which ofc (in)directly is your work, congrats.

Oh and natasha, youre so right, the US army shouldnt be that strictly focused on humanitarian efforts, which ofcourse only a select few elite intellectuals manage to grasp, rest of the world thinks that US invasions actually have negative consequences in terms of development, US national security (thats the irony), and it hollows out your own country by giving money to contractors. GL HF paying that debt.

What really matters here, the thing that we should all keep foremost in our minds, is that this was not accomplished, some would say not even taken seriously as foundational to a national agenda, until Donald Trump became a candidate.

http://twitpic.com/4t1mt0

I didn't want to like this link... but...

as with anything online there is a pg advisory regarding the comments below

This was a really cool thing that happened, but what's kind of bothersome about it is how the president handled it. I waited for the announcement to come on, thinking, "I hope he doesn't just use this as a way to talk about how great he is." Not even a minute in, and the president started with "I did this; I did that; I'm great; I'm wonderful."

In reality, the office of the president has VERY little to do with these matters. Most people think that the president is the guy that is in charge of getting all of this kind of stuff done. However, the way it really works is that the task forces in charge of these kinds of special operations work autonomously, answering only to the SAFC if anyone (rarely, at that), and usually just under the auspices of various secretaries. The president gets a news brief maybe every 4 to 6 months that is essentially nothing more than "Search for osama ongoing." He reads it and yes "Ok, keep it up." But even if he said "You should really stop," all anyone would ever say is "Yes, Mr. President," accompanied with some rolling eyes, and the search would continue.

So what I would have liked to have seen, what would have been far more appropriate, and what would have made me gain a lot of respect for Obama, would be if he took this announcement and used it to 1) praise all those involved, 2) take zero credit himself, 3) remove any platforming from it, and 4) talk about the real state of affairs with the various terror organizations that we fight.

He did some of 1. He spent most of the speech doing the opposite of 2 and 3. And 4... he made it seem like it's all wrapped up now -- which isn't quite reality, either.

Mayor Bloomberg is a master of distributing credit away from himself and onto the people that really do the work. In the end, it works out extremely well for him, and doesn't make him seem like a boisterous windbag in the process. As an aside, he's also a great example of bipartisanship, being a staunch democrat running on a republican ticket. But I digress.

Blaming politicians for making political maneuvers is a little harsh.

he is a figurehead right up until we need someone to blame! ; )

got to love politics ... a terrorist is killed and everyone is going on about politicians.

Oh, and torture didn't find us Osama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/torture-may-have-slowed-h_n_858642.html

Well said!

I disagree with you nightstike. I don't know where people come off acting like they know exactly what the president does and doesn't do. When truth be told most people don't have the slightest idea. Nightstike are you the president? Reality is you dont have the slightest idea about the part he played and pretending you do is very disrespectful to many people.

-2 Kefeck. Save the "You don't know!" blanket for the kiddy fits.

Considering that he's Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces (the highest in the chain of command), and considering that this was a major international event, major terrorist event, and the culmination of long-time war efforts, the president is the one to pull the trigger on when to proceed and gave consent on making it a ground-assault rather than a safe but uncertain bomb drop.

Just because he didn't storm the building himself doesn't mean he wasn't ultimately in charge.

Actually, until recently, it was my job.

since it seems you are done being president, consider this a reminder for our 2010 t-shirts! ; )

Elaborate, please.

NS is Dubya!

I'll chime in here since I'm sure NS is busy.

Our fearless leader here is the sort of person who knows how the sausage that is our little country gets made. What you perceive as disrespect is simply familiarity. The system we complain so much about is so large and complex that a single person, office, or even branch of government cannot hope to really micromanage it. Intelligence and Defense are incredibly frightening fields to work in as far as I'm concerned. It's one thing to take responsibility for providing for yourself, or a family, it's a whole other to daily deal with the reality that what you do for a living has a real chance of effecting the lives of millions.

Never assume you know what someone does for a living

am i the only one thinking that our usually bizarre political discussions have now moved fully into surrealism?

speaking of surreal:
http://www.gamepron.com/news/2011/05/08/osama-bin-ladens-hideout-recreated-in-css/

Im just glad that this happening now make the democrats look as ridiculously retarding as the republicans.
Giving Obama credit for taking out bin laden is just silly.
If McCain and Xena had been responsible the democrats woulda never acknowledged that achievement.
But naturally thats just part of the joke that is the public discourse in the US. Lets talk about anything except substance and concrete policies concerning the wellbeing of sentient beings. This will perhaps make the few reasonable americans resign even more concerning your corrupt election system, so we just have to wait for the US to go totally bankrupt before any social change occurs. Empires going downhill have happened more than once, but they've not had nuclear missiles, thats prolly whats worst about the downfall of the US. (Looking apart from the suffering of the poor, and now even the middle class). Oh well, you have some corporations who do pretty well. Capital can move freely , people just tend to stay in their hollowed out post-industrial hellholes.

... or the exact opposite. Important successes tend to do that.



No it's not. See above.




Your knowledge of US politics must not extend beyond Fox News. Political parties will always find fault with each other, but of course the citizens would still have been very, very happy.



Huh? Corrupt election system? Unless that's a reference to ACORN, I have no idea what you mean. I've got to agree with the crazy conspiracy post.

http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html

Awesome LB, Awesome.

Excellent LB,

Equating Obama to Darth Vader is quite reasonable!

I didn't post it to equate anyone with anybody. I posted it because it was funny.

I understand the article could be construed as one of those "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" arguments, but I don't buy that crap when it comes to Bin Laden. The guy was a mass murderer, a religious extremist, and an all around irredeemable piece of scum. I celebrate his death. The article was posted for humor, nothing more.

And how on earth is equating Obama to Vader even approaching the realm of reasonable?

They are both black?

Vader is a burnt white guy. Only his suit is black.

Both actually believe they are doing what they are for the common good, but actually are messing things up royally?

I was closer with the 'Black' comment....


ps. I really need a sarcasm font on my previous post

Agreed.

The benighted see-what-I-want-to-see readers have missed the key piece of "Really?!?!" in that article: airspeeders have horns!

Demigod.
If you can find no other faults with your presidental election or any public office election other than ACORN then.. well.. im almost shocked you think so.Just some really obvious faults just to make you look like a moron:
Any knowledge of parlamentarism would suggest that "majority rule" in election circuits favors 2 party systems and cause a pretty hefty "democratic deficit" by definition, ___you blamed it all SOLELY on ACORN___, clever clever man (im suggesting that if you arbitrarily considered that fact to constitute 0.0000001% of the problem and the rest ACORN, your point will be invalid, so you set yourself up pretty good). So the recent supreme court decision concerning funding and PACs etc doesnt need any discussion, you obviously have no clue.

Naturally you can give Obama the credit as being a part of an institution etc, but to the degree that democrats praise him is just pure religion. Fox News, lawl, I can see how partisan neoliberals would easily assume I care about Fox News the moment im critical of Obama-fanatics, because Fox News is so insanely biased and is basically a partisan propaganda wing of the GOP.
I wanted Obama to win the election way before it was popular, and I always consider the democrats to be the least of 2 evils, but thats about it.
Yeah, when politics have no substance and is pure showmanship yes ofcourse blaming factions of the essential same party (dems and repbs) is what the "political process" is mostly about, you're right about that, whether that kind of nonsense will bring you out of the pretty nifty hole you've dug for yourself (see: US budget deficit and debt) or not, remains to see.
I had high hopes for Obama before he got elected and now I feel rather stupid for thinking he would change anything, but if elections could really shift the balance of power back to the american workign and middle class it would be highly illegal, and I should know better.

Sum up: yes my attitude concerning how much credit Obama deserves is probably very well aligned with what typical republicans would think. But again, "Fox News", lol.

PS: If this hadn't been a part of just some time killing between hands (poker), this had truly been a waste, since facts about how humans form beliefs suggest that anyone who can look at the US political system and find that ACORN is the only problem is beyond help.

Atleast its better than whats up here in Canada for an election system.

::sigh::
Don't get emotional. Please keep it mature and civil.


No I didn't. Re-read what was written.

The rest of the post failed to explain why you think our system is actually "corrupt."

That article was some fascinating humor.

I found the comments even more intriguing, including the fake spam.

This is a decent comment:
Let's be CLEAR this is not a VADER victory but a victory of our boys in white, not to mention the leadership of Lord Tyrannus the Count Dooku who started the manhunt in the first place.

I also found that comment hilarious.

Bah, this guy won't give up, lawl.
You brought up ACORN as the only possible thing I could refer to concerning having a illegitimate democratic process, so I went from there.

Concerning the "moron" comment, well, if you had some way of measuring when a person makes into the "moron" category, based on all the times it've been used, and the various reasons for when people have used it (this makes up for prolly billions of times), I think I can use it and be on objective grounds :) You say "moron" constitutes an emotional backdrop you don't like, well, thats your opinion.

Ex: If I had said to someone that they obviously don't care for the wellbeing of conscious creatures (based on some sort of plausible argument that leads me to that conclusion, but that is granted, thats the power of postulation), my emotional backdrop would most certainly give me a subjective feeling of having bad emotions, yet nobody would call me emotional.

I said you were beyond hope, if you mention ACORN and nothing else, why list the thousands of reasons why a polyarchy based in some sort of parlamentaristic system have some automatic flaws if "democracy" is what you want. Again; there are some facts about how a brain forms beliefs, and the effort to make your brain less hot for your corrupt elections - that effort must actually stem from you.

you seem to be using the terms flaws, shortcomings and corruption synonymously and i think that is what is leading to the confusion.

Strange, I keep thinking the same thing...

I'll ignore the insult, but you still have yet to explain the corruption comment. Unless you can give a reason why it's "corrupt," I'm sticking with the belief that this goes in the tinfoil-hat category.

-2 Canibus, stop killing the few leased brain cells containing my emotional backdrop.

Demigod May 2 3:42 PM EDT

Aren't you glad that we're well past 50 comments now Demi?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/john-mccain-torture-_n_861089.html

oh snap! we landed on the moon?!

Lol. Now the presidents approval rating is the highest it's been in quite some time.

here is a link to a reuter's special report that was a very enlightening read, especially in regards to many of the claims made in this thread.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/12/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE74B6H820110512?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

That was probably the best article about it that I've read. Thanks for the link.

Another article on torture:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-bandow/getting-osama-bin-laden-t_b_861451.html

In far more hilarious news;
Osama Bin Laden had a porn stash.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/13/osama-bin-laden-porn_n_861664.html