# Keeping up with 6/20 (in General)

## QBOddBirdNovember 2 2011 11:51 AM EDT

So, I have no idea if untrained EXP factors into the 6/20 formula - since NS confirmed that it doesn't factor your own in when deciding your rate - but if it does, how do we keep up with what the 6/20 mark is aside from a generalized "it's about this much?"

I am curious, because I want to fight and forge simultaneously and maintain my 6/20 status. I've got a 900 mil ENC to fill up, after all! ...but I also don't want to be steadily losing ground without even realizing it.

Is there a better way to do this that I'm not taking into account?

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 11:55 AM EDT

Untrained xp factors in when calculating the barrier from the top player, so it uses his MPR+untrained xp, to say the total real MPR is 7.8M or whatever. But, it does not take yours into account, when seeing if you're above that mark. So, if you want to be in 6BA for a 7.8M largest char, you must have like 4.7M MPR, trained. I hope this is what you were asking.

## QBOddBirdNovember 2 2011 11:56 AM EDT

but if it does, how do we keep up with what the 6/20 mark is aside from a generalized "it's about this much?"

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 12:01 PM EDT

You don't, short of, asking AA how much untrained xp he has and calculating it. Then, you could also ask him how much exp he makes per week, and do some calculations to determine how much you need to make per week to stay in 6BA.

## Xenogard[Chaotic Serenity]November 2 2011 12:07 PM EDT

Pay attention to their MTL, best way to tell how much they are growing.

I'm almost sure the formula for determining MTL has something to do with VPR. If you figure out the formula you could probably get a more accurate estimate on what the exact MPR is that you need to be at for 6/20.

Someone wanna verify if that's correct for me? I didn't bother to check the wiki on this one, though I feel like its certainly possible.

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 12:09 PM EDT

I'm almost sure the formula for determining MTL has something to do with VPR.

Yes, it has everything to do with VPR, good call, didn't even think of that. I don't think there is an exact forumla in the wiki for that, but I'd imagine it'd be a good alternative to asking AA.

## QBOddBirdNovember 2 2011 12:10 PM EDT

If you figure out the formula you could probably get a more accurate estimate on what the exact MPR is that you need to be at for 6/20.

NEW GOAL

since I don't think "everybody who wants to know their exact standing can just ask the #1 guy" is a very socially friendly option :( or at least, it would annoy me if I were in his place

## Admindudemus[jabberwocky]November 2 2011 12:14 PM EDT

from the wiki:

Solving for MTL given MPR & vice versa

MTL = (MPR^1.2501)*1.4307/24
MPR = (MTL*24/1.4307)^(1/1.2501)

so it is actually vpr rather than mpr above?

## QBOddBirdNovember 2 2011 12:27 PM EDT

That formula gives me AA's MPR as:

7,923,499

If that's the case, then yeah, it takes into account VPR and holy cow the 6/20 barrier is closer than I thought and he has a ton of untrained exp D:

## QBOddBirdNovember 2 2011 12:29 PM EDT

....but that can't be accurate. There are people well below the 4.75M MPR barrier that would entail who are still at 6/20.

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 12:41 PM EDT

2 things:

1) That formula isn't super accurate, it was derived like 3 years ago, or more, and is probably a decent ways off now.

2) It isn't exactly 60%, or so it seems, I no that the 9BA barrier is wrong compared to what it should be, so it wouldn't surprise me if this one was a little off too.

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 12:46 PM EDT

And yes, MTL is definitely based on VPR, I just confirmed that.

## LochnivarNovember 2 2011 8:36 PM EDT

1) That formula isn't super accurate, it was derived like 3 years ago, or more, and is probably a decent ways off now.

It is still pretty darn accurate, this was checked recently and is still only off by around 0.02%... certainly never off by more than half a percent. In general the margin of error now is about the same as when I first figured it out.

And it is about 5 or 6 yrs old, iirc.

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 8:44 PM EDT

(23,357,594*24/1.4307)^(1/1.2501) = 7.48M

You can check my MPR... :)

It must have got messed up some where along the road.

## LochnivarNovember 2 2011 9:02 PM EDT

oops... I thought it was the XP/MPR formula (they look pretty similar).. yeah, not vouching for the MTL one.

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 9:04 PM EDT

I thought it was the XP/MPR formula (they look pretty similar)

Yeah, you're right about that one though, that one is DAMN good.

## QBRangerNovember 2 2011 11:06 PM EDT

If you have a named tattoo, your MTL is 4% higher.

## AdminTitan[The Sky Forge]November 2 2011 11:24 PM EDT

Ahh ranger's right, the formula is really close actually, maybe just a a few 1/10s of a percent off, it's the fact that AA's MTL was 4% larger due to his named tat.

## QBOddBirdNovember 2 2011 11:27 PM EDT

Aha! Good catch, Ranger.

## LochnivarNovember 2 2011 11:30 PM EDT

+5 to Ranger!

The 4% boost from naming seems to be the issue (or the bulk of it at least)
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